Why is DSM Kabuto so weak?

[VongolaX]

It didn't happen because Itachi didn't recreate those occurrences. If Kabuto were in the loop from the beginning, then he never would have activated Sound 4's powers or Muki Tensei or anything because he was already trapped in a loop.
Are you saying that Itachi's eye going blind meant absolutely nothing?

Inzanami chooses your fate, itachi can't hand pick the loop.

He can only choose the time to start the sequence and the time to end the sequence.


Second....Not at all, itachi eyes wind blind as soon as the loop repeated itself.

Otherwise he would be in the loop with a blind eye

 

[HiddenSound]

Inzanami chooses your fate, itachi can't hand pick the loop.

He can only choose the time to start the sequence and the time to end the sequence.


Second....Not at all, itachi eyes wind blind as soon as the loop repeated itself.

Otherwise he would be in the loop with a blind eye

You should look at Lightbringer, I think he explains it better than me.

 

[VongolaX]

No you don't get it, Itachi even explains this


This is how Izanami works

Step 1: Activation

Step 2: You pick a sequence of events Exhibit(A) and record those exact feelings and sensations of Exhibit(A)

Step 3: You must then recreate those exact feelings with the ocular jutsu......Exhibit(A') which is the start of the genjutsu

Step 4: You must connect Exhibit(A) with Exhibit(A') by doing Exhibit(B) and Exhibit(C) in real-time

Step 5: Genjutsu


So basically to summarize, you pick a specific action(Itachi getting stabbed) and record that instant......then you must recreate that instant and once you do the genjutsu starts and loops everything that happened between Exhibit(A) and Exhibit(A')

but everything that happened during the replication process like Itachi getting stabbed, getting impaled by the Sage Art, etc. was real and not genjutsu because those were between Exhibits(B) and (C)

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If you look back chapter 580-581 is everything that the sequence happened.

Exhibit A1 is the same as chapter 580-581 but done in an different angle. <----stabs him in the back instead

Itachi said you use your power to make a copy as A

The rest is the different time flow

A just repeats to A1

 

[VongolaX]

You should look at Lightbringer, I think he explains it better than me.

There is a thread called the misconception of itachi vs kabuto made by some Steven segal guy.

If you look it up, you'll see a better explanation

 

[Lightbringer]

If you look back chapter 580-581 is everything that the sequence happened.

Exhibit A1 is the same as chapter 580-581 but done in an different angle.

Itachi said you use your power to make a copy as A

The rest is the different time flow

A just repeats to A1

I'm not sure I get your comment

dude, literally everything that happened before Itachi getting stabbed the second time was real.

Itachi lost his eyesight after getting stabbed the second time. It's just like Izanagi, you lose your eye once the effect is complete.

Izanami wasn't complete until Itachi finished the recording process

So here are all the times Itachi got hit by Kabuto before the genjutsu in order


1. First stab

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2. Sage Art: Muki Tensei

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3. Genjutsu

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4. Sliced in half

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5. Second stab

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and only then everything after that was genjutsu

 

[VongolaX]

I'm not sure I get your comment

dude, literally everything that happened before Itachi getting stabbed the second time was real.

Itachi lost his eyesight after getting stabbed the second time. It's just like Izanagi, you lose your eye once the effect is complete.

Izanami wasn't complete until Itachi finished the recording process

So here are all the times Itachi got hit by Kabuto before the genjutsu in order


1. First stab

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2. Sage Art: Muki Tensei

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3. Genjutsu

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4. Sliced in half

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5. Second stab

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and only then everything after that was genjutsu

The recording ended before he got blind

It's harder explaining without a PC

What I'm saying is that A and A1 all happened in chapter 580 to 581 which was before he saved Sasuke and got hit by that genjustu.

Both times he got stab was a crow technique.


I'll post what I'm talking about soon

 

[Lightbringer]

The recording ended before he got blind

It's harder explaining without a PC

What I'm saying is that A and A1 all happened in chapter 580 to 581 which was before he saved Sasuke and got hit by that genjustu.

Both times he got stab was a crow technique.


I'll post what I'm talking about soon

he only got stabbed once in chapter 580 and that's when he first initiated the recording process for Izanami, not the genjutsu

crows are not genjutsu! they are a substitution technique, like mokuton clone and kage bunshin


you're confusing it with the genjutsu Itachi used on Sasuke and Naruto......which he couldn't have used on Kabuto because he didn't look into his eyes

Izanami isn't a genjutsu like Tsukuyomi where one can manipulate every aspect of it; Izanami is a little more grounded

 

[End of Days]

yes he hasnt displayed extreme strength like Nauto or Jiraiya, but thats really not needed

 

[Brother Numpsay]

yes he hasnt displayed extreme strength like Nauto or Jiraiya, but thats really not needed

Yes he has

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Sage Mode gives you a boost to EVERYTHING

People need to stop nitpicking screen time to determine this. Kabuto has not once fought a giant summon to show that he can do the same physically.

Naruto's monstrous strength should of broken Deva Path but it didnt here?

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Stop nickpicking OP

 

[Kronnic]

sage mode enhances all jutsu equally. perhaps you are thinking of frog kata. which is only used by toad sages

This right there ^^^^^^^^

 

[End of Days]

Yes he has

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what does chakra scalpel's sharpness have to do with strength?

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thats the only thing worth talking about and even thats more due to the inherent nature of the snake that he has become

Naruto's monstrous strength should of broken Deva Path but it didnt here?

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why should deva path get broken? jiraiya kicked human path but he did not break or anything

Naruto can casually break chakra rods with his palm and yet kabuto gets easily blocked the same way

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[Brother Numpsay]

what does chakra scalpel's sharpness have to do with strength?

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thats the only thing worth talking about and even thats more due to the inherent nature of the snake that he has become



why should deva path get broken? jiraiya kicked human path but he did not break or anything

+Naruto can casually break chakra rods with his palm and yet kabuto gets easily blocked the same way

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-The scalpel has cutting priorities but in no way is it able to completely split a human in half, and effortlessly.

-Showing Deva path not breaking, and your Jiraya example, were to show the inconsistency of strength damage. And another one would be Naruto effortless destroying Asura Path. Asura Path body type should of been the most durable, and yet Naruto smaked. Basically the strength is presented when its necessary, doesn't mean they don't have it, even when the manga applied that they do.

-Those rods are know where near as durable as Kusanagi sword.

At the end of the day he gets his boost strength, just because he doesn't have screen time, like dealing with boss summons to proves his strength, he still gave hints that he does and what the manga already implied when having Sage Mode.

 

[End of Days]

-The scalpel has cutting priorities but in no way is it able to completely split a human in half, and effortlessly.

there is a first time for everything
its the chakra scalpel cutting properties which enable him to cut itachi in half, similar examples would be raikage cutting his arm effortlessly by channeling his chakra through his other arm

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-Showing Deva path not breaking, and your Jiraya example, were to show the inconsistency of strength damage. And another one would be Naruto effortless destroying Asura Path. Asura Path body type should of been the most durable, and yet Naruto smaked. Basically the strength is presented when its necessary, doesn't mean they don't have it, even when the manga applied that they do.

It was the rasengan which destroyed asura body

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-Those rods are know where near as durable as Kusanagi sword.

sasuke doesnt have the kusanagi sword, orochimaru has it

and the rods are tougher than ordinary metals

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At the end of the day he gets his boost strength, just because he doesn't have screen time, like dealing with boss summons to proves his strength, he still gave hints that he does and what the manga already implied when having Sage Mode.

Only Jiraiya and Naruto have displayed similar abilities/boosts while in sage mode

Juugo's transformation is also originally of the Sage mode type and yet he gets his ass handed to him by bee and raikage

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[xxSAGExx]

WEAK PHYSICALLY WEAK PHYSICALLY IF U DONT READ THREADS AT LEAST THIS CAUGHT UR ATTENTION

He is in SM but so bad at taijutsu, resulting in him keeping distance and used other jutsus first. SM strength is taijutsu Kabuto didn't use any of it

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He couldn't even make Itachi fall in sage mode

I'm sure each Sage mode have their own aspects because they're taught differently but with the same concept (learning to see, sense and absorb natural energy, being still and balancing the natural energy with your chakra). I said Taught differently, even tho there's no proof, it doesn't matter if they were taught how to use senjutsu from the same master, it's how they made it their own.

In my opinion Kabuto should have been much stronger, part Kabuto was said to be even with Kakashi in part 1. Kabuto knowledge of medical jutsus played no role in his fight with Itachi and Sasuke Yet it was good enough to suppress Hashiramas abilities in Yamato? Kabuto could have used some type of nerve gas which would disable Sasuke, Yes I know Oro made Sasuke immune to poisons and such but Kabuto knows how Oro did it (what medicines or vaccines he gave Sasuke) so he could have made a nerve gas that would work.

As for Itachi, Even tho Itachi wasn't under Kabuto's control, Kabuto could have easily coffined Itachi the moment Itachi broke his control. I Say this because When Itachi had Kabuto undo the edo tensei, even he was gone with the others so why didn't Kabuto just undo Itachi's edo? Plot. For those who might say Itachi choose to go when Kabuto undid the Edos, why who Itachi just decide to go? If he could have stayed then why not stay there for Sasuke or at least wait until the war was over? There were still Obito with the tailed beasts afterall. I think Kishi overlooked the medical jutsu aspect of Kabuto which could have played a part in showing how Badass Kabuto could have been.

 

[VongolaX]

he only got stabbed once in chapter 580 and that's when he first initiated the recording process for Izanami, not the genjutsu

crows are not genjutsu! they are a substitution technique, like mokuton clone and kage bunshin


you're confusing it with the genjutsu Itachi used on Sasuke and Naruto......which he couldn't have used on Kabuto because he didn't look into his eyes

Izanami isn't a genjutsu like Tsukuyomi where one can manipulate every aspect of it; Izanami is a little more grounded

I said crow technique, not genjustu.

Your not understanding we're I'm getting at obviously, I told Hidden Sound to find a vs thread which I better explained everything.

I'd advise you to do the same

 

[Brother Numpsay]

there is a first time for everything
its the chakra scalpel cutting properties which enable him to cut itachi in half, similar examples would be raikage cutting his arm effortlessly by channeling his chakra through his other arm

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Chakra scalpel does not normally cut like Lightening Release. It was explained by Kabuto:

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Full detailed here:

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It was the rasengan which destroyed asura body

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Hmm, now I see. Maybe that was a bad example. Lets take Petra Path for an example here. The force of Nature is boost by Naruto. The force of the punch that killed Petra should of been the same as Naruto's direct kick in Sage Mode.

sasuke doesnt have the kusanagi sword, orochimaru has it

It has the same Durability but cannot dothe same moves Orochimaru has:

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and the rods are tougher than ordinary metals

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Sasuke sword is not ordinary

Only Jiraiya and Naruto have displayed similar abilities/boosts while in sage mode

Not entirely. Jiraya did not perfected it, while Jiraya doesn't know frog kata. They have similar strength/speed because of what Sage Mode does. They are using the force of nature to boost them much like how Kabuto commented and this frog, while him showing an example:

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<--He didn't say frog sage he said senjutsu in general.

Juugo's transformation is also originally of the Sage mode type and yet he gets his ass handed to him by bee and raikage

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Here is Kabuto's comment compare to Curse Seal senjutsu compare to Sage Mode Senjutsu:

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[zesto]

dangerous thread abandon now!

 

[Dark Artist]

Kabuto is a Total piece of Garbage comparing to any Uchiha

 

[GiantShuriken]

Its amazing how many people are misunderstanding the OP. Not surprising considering how retarded many people are here.

 

[VongolaX]

You should look at Lightbringer, I think he explains it better than me.

Found it






Itachi prepared the inzanami sequence in chapter 581:

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Itachi activated the inzanami from chapter 581:

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^^ It was already prepared<----finished

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Kabuto was in the loop starting from chapter 582:

See repeat of chapter 581 loop

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The loop starts all over again from the beginning:

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