Why is DSM Kabuto so weak?

[Lightbringer]

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Itachi prepared the inzanami sequence in chapter 581:

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Itachi activated the inzanami from chapter 581:

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^^ It was already prepared<----finished

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Kabuto was in the loop starting from chapter 582:

See repeat of chapter 581 loop

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The loop starts all over again from the beginning:

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no that's where you're getting it wrong.....the loop closes in 581, not when Itachi yells Izanami

again, Itachi becomes blind the second time he gets stabbed signifying the completion of the technique.


how would the loop close when he yells Izanami if there was not enough actions to tie in Exhibit(A) with Exhibit(A')? He needs to replicate getting stabbed again intentionally for the loop to close

 

[VongolaX]

no that's where you're getting it wrong.....the loop closes in 581, not when Itachi yells Izanami

again, Itachi becomes blind the second time he gets stabbed signifying the completion of the technique.


how would the loop close when he yells Izanami if there was not enough actions to tie in Exhibit(A) with Exhibit(A')? He needs to replicate getting stabbed again intentionally for the loop to close

First off how would you know that he didn't use it when he said he will release inzanami?

The chapter even ended writing kinjustu released

He already has the sensation here:

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He starts the loop of the justu chapter 581 and Exhibit A

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After kabuto's speech and flashback chapter 586

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ExhibitA1

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The loop starts from the beginning again which is at this point:

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[Lightbringer]

First off how would you know that he didn't use it when he said he will release inzanami?

The chapter even ended writing kinjustu released

He already has the sensation here:

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He starts the loop of the justu chapter 581 and Exhibit A

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After kabuto's speech and flashback chapter 586

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ExhibitA1

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The loop starts from the beginning again which is at this point:

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because Izanami is cast by fooling the senses.......to fool those senses, he must replicate that instant because that is the loop

again he explains this.....he can't just cast it whenever


he says when someone takes a voluntary action, their body memorizes that sensation.....then you must intentionally replicate it.

The reaction of the body would eventually become like a twitch that you can't control.

It's something similar to thinking you're going to get hit and flinching when your friend is just trying to high-five. That's fooling the senses


also when Itachi said to Sasuke he activated it the first time he got stabbed; he said the "first time" meaning that Sasuke witnessed Itachi getting stabbed a second time

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[VongolaX]

because Izanami is cast by fooling the senses.......to fool those senses, he must replicate that instant because that is the loop

again he explains this.....he can't just cast it whenever


he says when someone takes a voluntary action, their body memorizes that sensation.....then you must intentionally replicate it.

The reaction of the body would eventually become like a twitch that you can't control.

It's something similar to thinking you're going to get hit and flinching when your friend is just trying to high-five. That's fooling the senses


also when Itachi said to Sasuke he activated it the first time he got stabbed; he said the "first time" meaning that Sasuke witnessed Itachi getting stabbed a second time

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The first first 3 scans are the sensation

Which Sasuke saw

I'm implying that the first stab was the sensation

And when he clashed with kabuto that is when the genjustu started


While your saying is the same with the sensation part

And that he started the loop when he got hit a second time

^^if that was the case, itachi and kabuto clashing wouldn't be in the loop

I'm trying to state here that when he clashed and release inzanami, the repeat <---beginning of inzanami started when they both clashed.

The second time it happened it was in reverse, he cut kabuto's head first than clashed A'

The third time they clashed and then itachi cut kabuto's horn.

It's like a mirror effect

 

[VongolaX]

No need to get hyped over it, I'll just wait for the anime to finish.

^^might be helpful to both of this in this case

 

[Jphu8414]

One word....

Izanami

 

[Brother Numpsay]

No need to get hyped over it, I'll just wait for the anime to finish.

^^might be helpful to both of this in this case

Read Sasuke's question and Itachi's answer in chapter 585....

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[Lightbringer]

Read Sasuke's question and Itachi's answer in chapter 585....

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^^^^this right here

 

[VongolaX]

Read Sasuke's question and Itachi's answer in chapter 585....

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I think this is better, sasuke said can't you use it yet.

and itachi said i'm preparing something too

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Wanna know what that is?

His sharingan genjsutu or tsuyomi

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Sasuke didn't even know when it was used, so you can't use that as a valid argument

 

[VongolaX]

^^^^this right here

check reply

 

[VongolaX]

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Itachi even saaid it's easier to use the loop like this to use visual genjustu

 

[Lightbringer]

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Itachi even saaid it's easier to use the loop like this to use visual genjustu

that's not what he said, he said it's easier to use genjutsu on him when he's stuck in the loop; meaning he can control his actions without Kabuto resisting.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Kishimoto is HIGHLY inconsistent regarding things like strength and speed, but yeah, even with Sasuke's indestructible sword Itachi should had at least been knocked on his ass from the force.

And for anyone confused about how Izanami works, it's a touch-based genjutsu which requires the user and the opponent to have a shared physical experience. After that, the user has to re-create that same shared physical experience in order to end the loop and activate the genjutsu. That way every time that physical experience happens the genjutsu loop both ends and starts again.

Itachi said it's an impractical jutsu that wasn't created for battle.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

This is a bad thread.

Kabuto has always admitted to his taijutsu being less than perfect but honestly, it's still adequate. He striked many times and even showed knowledge of kenjutsu during that fight.

 

[VongolaX]

that's not what he said, he said it's easier to use genjutsu on him when he's stuck in the loop; meaning he can control his actions without Kabuto resisting.

That's what i was trying to say

 

[VongolaX]

Kishimoto is HIGHLY inconsistent regarding things like strength and speed, but yeah, even with Sasuke's indestructible sword Itachi should had at least been knocked on his ass from the force.

And for anyone confused about how Izanami works, it's a touch-based genjutsu which requires the user and the opponent to have a shared physical experience. After that, the user has to re-create that same shared physical experience in order to end the loop and activate the genjutsu. That way every time that physical experience happens the genjutsu loop both ends and starts again.

Itachi said it's an impractical jutsu that wasn't created for battle.

1. Kabuto's sagemode is different than frog sagemode which increases strength


2. You clearly didn't read the whole thread/posts

 

[HiddenSound]

This is still going on :|

 

[VongolaX]

This is still going on :|

It just ended

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

1. Kabuto's sagemode is different than frog sagemode which increases strength

2. You clearly didn't read the whole thread/posts

1. Until stated otherwise, his, Naruto's, and Hashirama's all work the same.

2. No, sorry.

 

[VongolaX]

1. Until stated otherwise, his, Naruto's, and Hashirama's all work the same.

2. No, sorry.

So that means naruto can shut his visual senses to avoid genjustu?

And kabuto can use genjustu like sage song but in a snake-like manner? <---sound four dna doesn't count

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i think this is the closes thing to the truth