So summons are now skills?

[Bronze]

Understand what power is. They feared Hashirama even the Uchiha. They were all under Hashirama's command. Hiruzen/Jiraiya/Tsunade.. don't control their summons they work with them. Hashirama and Madara became leaders due to their powers...People laid their lives out for them.

Enma is transforming into a staff.. that can switch back and forth... rofl. The guy can pop out his head and bite your freaking neck if he wants to.. and Hiruzen has no control over it.

Kiba and Akamaru are a whole different situation why? because their clan works in duos. Hence why Kiba having Akamaru in the chunin exam was a special case.

This guy cant even understand common sense. Uhh forget it. Go and spew your nonsense to another member.

I am just leaving this:
A device or implement, esp. one held in the hand, used to carry out a particular function.

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Hiruzen holding Enma in his hands answers your question*_*

 

[Lightbringer]

Who said Mokuton is a skill? Hashirama has the ability aka the skill to manipulate Mokuton... don't know what you are blabbering about..

Mokuton is derived from his chakra.. meaning Mokuton is his chakra.. so fail logic there.. lmao. Not to mention the guy creates Mokuton.. =].

No highly false, you started off saying the summons themselves were a shinobi's skills (should start reading the thread clearly). I simply stated they are partners. Skills in Naruto is the ability of a person. And no my argument with you was about you using the Gates as a example to counter my OP. You started the argument. Why? Because my OP wasn't directed towards you specifically, it was me stating my opinion, and if you wanted to make a argument against me it was your choice. So my argument still holds value.. its just your trying to sidetrack it with your pathetic excuses..


Kantana is a weapon.... Skill is required to use it.. But again you bring a BS comparison. why? Because you compare a living thing that even as a weapon form can do what it wants to do. Kantana is dependent on the user.. 2 different things.


Hiruzen working with Enma is a skill.. Enma himself is not his skill.... at least try to stick with the OP.

um you said Kekkei Genkei(mokuton) is a skill

KKG is part of someone's skill because they control it... KKG Is not a another being..... god damn bro. Like do you even stay with 1 logic??

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[Lightbringer]

Who said Mokuton is a skill? Hashirama has the ability aka the skill to manipulate Mokuton... don't know what you are blabbering about..

Mokuton is derived from his chakra.. meaning Mokuton is his chakra.. so fail logic there.. lmao. Not to mention the guy creates Mokuton.. =].

No highly false, you started off saying the summons themselves were a shinobi's skills (should start reading the thread clearly). I simply stated they are partners. Skills in Naruto is the ability of a person. And no my argument with you was about you using the Gates as a example to counter my OP. You started the argument. Why? Because my OP wasn't directed towards you specifically, it was me stating my opinion, and if you wanted to make a argument against me it was your choice. So my argument still holds value.. its just your trying to sidetrack it with your pathetic excuses..


Kantana is a weapon.... Skill is required to use it.. But again you bring a BS comparison. why? Because you compare a living thing that even as a weapon form can do what it wants to do. Kantana is dependent on the user.. 2 different things.


Hiruzen working with Enma is a skill.. Enma himself is not his skill.... at least try to stick with the OP.

um you said Kekkei Genkei(mokuton) is a skill

KKG is part of someone's skill because they control it... KKG Is not a another being..... god damn bro. Like do you even stay with 1 logic??

and no, you just wanted to discredit that recent thread about Hiruzen defeating Shinsuusenju with Emna.

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[UltimateDeadpool]

It was stated way back in the Chuunin exams that anything at a ninja's disposal is considered their tool, even an intelligent creature like Akamaru.

 

[Bronze]

It was stated way back in the Chuunin exams that anything at a ninja's disposal is considered their tool, even an intelligent creature like Akamaru.

I don't even know what he is trying to prove. He has a brain that has difficulties to understand basic things.That's why he is called moron.

 

[startup97]

KingHashirama, are you mad that Hiruzen with Enma can solo the Shinsuusenju? BTW Hiruzen with Enma in Adamantine Nyoi form is a skill.

 

[KingHashirama]

This guy cant even understand common sense. Uhh forget it. Go and spew your nonsense to another member.

I am just leaving this:
A device or implement, esp. one held in the hand, used to carry out a particular function.

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Hiruzen holding Enma in his hands answers your question*_*

What Hiruzen holds is a living being turned into a staff. STILL A LIVING BEING. You can hold a child in one hand.... god damn the stupid logic.

Love how you couldn't find a counter to the post i posted against you, but decided on repeating yourself.

um you said Kekkei Genkei(mokuton) is a skill




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"Because there ability to control it". Sure didn't bother to read that... next time read it in context instead of being selective.

So now your saying KKG = living people? mk

On top of that I love how you changed the topic to Mokuton. Seems like all you do is avoid topics that you get proven wrong in.

KingHashirama, are you mad that Hiruzen with Enma can solo the Shinsuusenju? BTW Hiruzen with Enma in Adamantine Nyoi form is a skill.

Wood clone solos Hiruzen low-mid diff... So no reason why your bringing in a 1 sided match.

It was stated way back in the Chuunin exams that anything at a ninja's disposal is considered their tool, even an intelligent creature like Akamaru.

Only Akamaru was allowed... because of their clan specializes in duos..

 

[startup97]

Wood clone solos Hiruzen low-mid diff... So no reason why your bringing in a 1 sided match.

Nope. Enma solos Wood Clone low diff

 

[Joshutsu]

KingHashirama, are you mad that Hiruzen with Enma can solo the Shinsuusenju? BTW Hiruzen with Enma in Adamantine Nyoi form is a skill.

I think a man who threw down with a true God of shinobi with a tailed beast as his summon can handle an old man with a monkey stick.

Even if staff form could do something to knock shinshusenju over he would have to touch it, those hands solo him he wont even see them coming. Hashi doesn't even have to resort to that to handle him anyways. U_U so sorry.

 

[startup97]

I think a man who threw down with a true God of shinobi with a tailed beast as his summon can handle an old man with a monkey stick.

Even if staff form could do something to knock shinshusenju over he would have to touch it, those hands solo him he wont even see them coming. Hashi doesn't even have to resort to that to handle him anyways. U_U so sorry.

No. Hiruzen wins.

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[Lightbringer]

"Because there ability to control it". Sure didn't bother to read that... next time read it in context instead of being selective.

So now your saying KKG = living people? mk

On top of that I love how you changed the topic to Mokuton. Seems like all you do is avoid topics that you get proven wrong in.

You still contradict yourself. It doesn't matter what the difference is; first you said KKG is a skill, then you clearly said it wasn't, and now you're saying it is again.

On top of that, you're desperate to be right so you change what you say constantly to further support your argument.

and that's why the majority of people never agree with you and call you a moron

 

[startup97]

KingHashirama. Enma can solo Hashirama

 

[KingHashirama]

You still contradict yourself. It doesn't matter what the difference is; first you said KKG is a skill, then you clearly said it wasn't, and now you're saying it is again.

On top of that, you're desperate to be right so you change what you say constantly to further support your argument.

and that's why the majority of people never agree with you and call you a moron

Hmm. So I contradicted myself on a how i stated the statement.. even though i explained it to you what i meant by it. Notice how both of the statements say 1 thing..

Now you instead of admitting you can't put up a argument.. change the argument into mokuton.. and try to pick out flaws. The OT is about summonings.. not KKGS.. either stick to the OP.. or don't bother debating with someone.

 

[Lightbringer]

Hmm. So I contradicted myself on a how i stated the statement.. even though i explained it to you what i meant by it. Notice how both of the statements say 1 thing..

Now you instead of admitting you can't put up a argument.. change the argument into mokuton.. and try to pick out flaws. The OT is about summonings.. not KKGS.. either stick to the OP.. or don't bother debating with someone.

you obviously can't grasp simple concepts of using examples which is why I don't put much effort into arguing with you, because no matter how wrong you are and how right everybody else is, you don't care even though you make the dumbest, most ridiculous rebuttals that contradict your previous statements or just flat out don't make sense.

seriously, you're a lost cause

 

[LegendaryAce]

KingHashirama. Enma can solo Hashirama

=D remember all the threads were u bashed hashirama because he > hiruzen low diff

 

[xxSAGExx]

Ok I get that summoning jutsu is a skill... but the summons themselves are a person's skill?

Some member who claims to be highly intellectual claims that a summon like Enma is Hiruzen's skill. Even though what they have going on is a partnership.

So are there others who believe Gamabunta , and etc are the summoner's skills? If they are Naruto part 1 would be Kage level.

I would have to say yes in the sense of, a ninja has to be able to use the summoning effectively in order to get the best results. Like Jiraiya, in a filler he was teaching Naruto collaboration jutsu which is when the summon and summoner are in synch and Jiraiya example was when he combined his fire jutsu with Gamabuta's oil to make a huge fire blast. This means When Jiraiya fuse with Ma and Pa toad for SM, that's also a collaboration sice they combine wind+fire+oil for their boiling oil.

 

[startup97]

=d remember all the threads were u bashed hashirama because he > hiruzen low diff

yeeeee!!!!

 

[Champ]

apparently so, that's the argument I always see when someone is by against a Susano'o user. They will always mention the summoning like it would change the outcome of the battle, funny really.

 

[Black Adam]

If naruto died, the summon would immediately disappear. So /post.

I think you're mixing up kuchiyose no jutsu with kage bunshin no jutsu since kuchiyose aren't directly tied to the summoners chakra like clones are kuchiyose are usually more concrete objects and things and people or animals