So summons are now skills?

[Espanji]

No it doesnt .

 

[fayeon]

Its count as the person ability .

But its not a SKILL. A skill is like controling chakra ,chakra manipulation,skills in combat etc.

Even a KKG doesn't count as person skill .

 

[startup97]

Fool. It depends on who is the wielder of the Summoning or Weapon. Would Shikimaru be the same with Enma if he had him? No. Or maybe your just mad that Enma is Anti Moukton!

 

[KingHashirama]

Fool. It depends on who is the wielder of the Summoning or Weapon. Would Shikimaru be the same with Enma if he had him? No. Or maybe your just mad that Enma is Anti Moukton!

fool understand what 'skill' means.

 

[HiddenSound]

I honestly don't see how it matters. Just because someone does like it doesn't mean that ability magically disappears from their arsenal.

 

[Bronze]

Oh boy here we go again.

Yes summoning Jutsu is user's power just like Kyuubi is part of Madara's prime.

 

[KingHashirama]

I honestly don't see how it matters. Just because someone does like it doesn't mean that ability magically disappears from their arsenal.

Arsenal: a : an establishment for the manufacture or storage of arms and military equipment
b : a collection of weapons

Skills: 1. special ability in a task, sport, etc., esp ability acquired by training
2. something, esp a trade or technique, requiring special training or manual proficiency
3. Obsolete understanding

Thread isn't about arsenal...

Oh boy here we go again.

Yes summoning Jutsu is user's power just like Kyuubi is part of Madara's prime.

Madara's prime refers to Madara's own state, which is the EMS. Kyuubi is a summoning which enhanced his power in the sense how a commander's power is increased when he gets 2 extra soldiers. =].

Funny how you believe summoning jutsu = the summoning itself ^_^

 

[Lightbringer]

Arsenal: a : an establishment for the manufacture or storage of arms and military equipment
b : a collection of weapons

Skills: 1. special ability in a task, sport, etc., esp ability acquired by training
2. something, esp a trade or technique, requiring special training or manual proficiency
3. Obsolete understanding

Thread isn't about arsenal...

one needs skill to use arsenal, thus it is part of their skill-set.....baka!


even kekkei genkai is still part of one's arsenal, but requires skill to use.....thus it is also part of one's skill-set

 

[HiddenSound]

Arsenal: a : an establishment for the manufacture or storage of arms and military equipment
b : a collection of weapons

Skills: 1. special ability in a task, sport, etc., esp ability acquired by training
2. something, esp a trade or technique, requiring special training or manual proficiency
3. Obsolete understanding

Thread isn't about arsenal...



Madara's prime refers to Madara's own state, which is the EMS. Kyuubi is a summoning which enhanced his power in the sense how a commander's power is increased when he gets 2 extra soldiers. =].

Funny how you believe summoning jutsu = the summoning itself ^_^

Holy f*cking shit, it's just a word. You are so literal it's nauseating.
nau·se·at·ing
ˈnôzēˌātiNG/Submit
adjective
1.
causing or liable to cause a feeling of nausea or disgust; disgusting.
"the stench became nauseating"
synonyms: sickening, nauseous, stomach-churning, emetic, sickly


And besides, my point still stands. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean they can't use it.

 

[Joshutsu]

The summons are seperate to their contract partners. However i believe the whole skill thing should be considered on a basis of knowing how to use your summon effectively.

 

[KingHashirama]

one needs skill to use arsenal, thus it is part of their skill-set.....baka!


even kekkei genkai is still part of one's arsenal, but requires skill to use.....thus it is also part of one's skill-set

His skill is to summon Enma.. and then his skill is in kenjutsu .. ENMA HIMSELF the living being himself is not his skill... Super Baka......

KKG is part of someone's skill because they control it... KKG Is not a another being..... god damn bro. Like do you even stay with 1 logic??

Holy f*cking shit, it's just a word. You are so literal it's nauseating.
nau·se·at·ing
ˈnôzēˌātiNG/Submit
adjective
1.
causing or liable to cause a feeling of nausea or disgust; disgusting.
"the stench became nauseating"
synonyms: sickening, nauseous, stomach-churning, emetic, sickly


And besides, my point still stands. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean they can't use it.

Going with the definition of a word is being literal.. mk. So when you say " you" i guess you mean "me" right?

I never said they can't use it smartass. =D

 

[Lightbringer]

His skill is to summon Enma.. and then his skill is in kenjutsu .. ENMA HIMSELF the living being himself is not his skill... Super Baka......

KKG is part of someone's skill because they control it... KKG Is not a another being..... god damn bro. Like do you even stay with 1 logic??

wow just wow

well if you want to be literal then mokuton is not a skill because it is formed through chakra which is borrowed from the juubi.

So by your logic Hashirama's skill is only in manipulating chakra that is not his in order to produce mokuton.



and you've already diminished the value of your argument to the point where even if you're correct with your current view, it has no meaning because from what it seems your original argument was that anything produced by a partnership of a summon and shinobi are not a unique skill to each.

but now your argument is that only the summon themselves are not a skill but everything they do together is.






saying Emna is not a skill but using him in kenjutsu is, is exactly the same as saying a katana is not a skill but using it through kendo is

so that still doesn't change the fact that Hiruzen working with Emna would be considered a skill....which means your argument is pointless.

 

[BasedRikudo]

I consider them part of a ninja team all you're going to get here though is replys from kabuto and obito jerkers who throw a fit everytime somebody uses logic about this because they know without it their character isn't that great

 

[startup97]

wow just wow

well if you want to be literal then mokuton is not a skill because it is formed through chakra which is borrowed from the juubi.

So by your logic Hashirama's skill is only in manipulating chakra that is not his in order to produce mokuton.



and you've already diminished the value of your argument to the point where even if you're correct with your current view, it has no meaning because from what it seems your original argument was that anything produced by a partnership of a summon and shinobi are not a unique skill to each.

but now your argument is that only the summon themselves are not a skill but everything they do together is.






saying Emna is not a skill but using him in kenjutsu is, is exactly the same as saying a katana is not a skill but using it through kendo is

so that still doesn't change the fact that Hiruzen working with Emna would be considered a skill....which means your argument is pointless.

That... was awesome!!!! =D

 

[KingHashirama]

wow just wow

well if you want to be literal then mokuton is not a skill because it is formed through chakra which is borrowed from the juubi.

So by your logic Hashirama's skill is only in manipulating chakra that is not his in order to produce mokuton.



and you've already diminished the value of your argument to the point where even if you're correct with your current view, it has no meaning because from what it seems your original argument was that anything produced by a partnership of a summon and shinobi are not a unique skill to each.

but now your argument is that only the summon themselves are not a skill but everything they do together is.






saying Emna is not a skill but using him in kenjutsu is, is exactly the same as saying a katana is not a skill but using it through kendo is

so that still doesn't change the fact that Hiruzen working with Emna would be considered a skill....which means your argument is pointless.

Who said Mokuton is a skill? Hashirama has the ability aka the skill to manipulate Mokuton... don't know what you are blabbering about..

Mokuton is derived from his chakra.. meaning Mokuton is his chakra.. so fail logic there.. lmao. Not to mention the guy creates Mokuton.. =].

No highly false, you started off saying the summons themselves were a shinobi's skills (should start reading the thread clearly). I simply stated they are partners. Skills in Naruto is the ability of a person. And no my argument with you was about you using the Gates as a example to counter my OP. You started the argument. Why? Because my OP wasn't directed towards you specifically, it was me stating my opinion, and if you wanted to make a argument against me it was your choice. So my argument still holds value.. its just your trying to sidetrack it with your pathetic excuses..


Kantana is a weapon.... Skill is required to use it.. But again you bring a BS comparison. why? Because you compare a living thing that even as a weapon form can do what it wants to do. Kantana is dependent on the user.. 2 different things.


Hiruzen working with Enma is a skill.. Enma himself is not his skill.... at least try to stick with the OP.

 

[Bronze]

I think i know what KingMoron is trying to say. Enma isn't a skill of Hiruzen. Okay Enma still transforms into a staff allowing Hiruzen to use him as his tool which makes him part of his power.

 

[KingHashirama]

I think i know what KingMoron is trying to say. Enma isn't a skill of Hiruzen. Okay Enma still transforms into a staff allowing Hiruzen to use him as his tool which makes him part of his power.

Key word is 'as'. Senju clan is part of Hashirama's power. Uchiha clan is part of Madara's power... and the whole village is part of the Hokage's power. Because they can use them like tools.

 

[Bronze]

Key word is 'as'. Senju clan is part of Hashirama's power. Uchiha clan is part of Madara's power... and the whole village is part of the Hokage's power. Because they can use them like tools.

Nope. That's different case. Senju clan are complete separate entities to Hashirama. Hashirama is not controlling them using his power, but rather as leader.

Enma is different. He is transforming into a staff allowing Hiruzen to use him like a tool. Hiruzen skills using the staff comes from Hiruzen and Enma as one entity working together just like Kiba and Akamaru.

 

[Joshutsu]

Nope. That's different case. Senju clan are complete separate entities to Hashirama. Hashirama is not controlling them using his power, but rather as leader.

Enma is different. He is transforming into a staff allowing Hiruzen to use him like a tool. Hiruzen skills using the staff comes from Hiruzen and Enma as one entity working together just like Kiba and Akamaru.

this can be said for everyone who has a summon and works together with them. Team jutsu and the like.

 

[KingHashirama]

Nope. That's different case. Senju clan are complete separate entities to Hashirama. Hashirama is not controlling them using his power, but rather as leader.

Enma is different. He is transforming into a staff allowing Hiruzen to use him like a tool. Hiruzen skills using the staff comes from Hiruzen and Enma as one entity working together just like Kiba and Akamaru.

Understand what power is. They feared Hashirama even the Uchiha. They were all under Hashirama's command. Hiruzen/Jiraiya/Tsunade.. don't control their summons they work with them. Hashirama and Madara became leaders due to their powers...People laid their lives out for them.

Enma is transforming into a staff.. that can switch back and forth... rofl. The guy can pop out his head and bite your freaking neck if he wants to.. and Hiruzen has no control over it.

Kiba and Akamaru are a whole different situation why? because their clan works in duos. Hence why Kiba having Akamaru in the chunin exam was a special case.