So summons are now skills?

[Sir Blades]

Someone fails to recognize Hiruzen's greatness without Enma. And failed in trying to make this a Hashirama vs Hiruzen situation.



So technically MA > Naruto since she can summon several other frogs + Naruto.

The ABILITY TO SUMMON is the persons power.....

Ma>Naruto lacks sense, you cant summon the person to beat its self and result in Ma's win. And you know it.

 

[KingHashirama]

I realize that Hiruzen is still a shinobi without Enma, but Enma IS his greatest power.

And, I didn't try to make it into a situation at all. I saw this thread for what it was

The thread itself has nothing to do with Hashirama.. If I wanted to I could've stated Hashirama Solos Hiruzen any day of the week. Did I no? So get over it.

And if you believe Enma is Hiruzen's greatest power then good for you. Senju clan would be Hashirama's greatest power then.

-waits for you to change or manipulate the logic-

Ma>Naruto lacks sense, you cant summon the person to beat its self and result in Ma's win. And you know it.

Nope I never said 1 vs 1. I said strength wise. =].

 

[Lightbringer]

So summoning gates "Quintuple Rashomon" doesn't count as a skill either I take it?

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[KingHashirama]

So summoning gates "Quintuple Rashomon" doesn't count as a skill either I take it?

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Sadly you did not read the thread.... the ABILITY aka the SKILL to summon is the person's power since it uses his own chakra.. but what is summoning?? Its simple s/t transportation... Hashirama simply transports the Gates to the field.... However, you compared a non living being to living beings..

 

[Lightbringer]

Sadly you did not read the thread.... the ABILITY aka the SKILL to summon is the person's power since it uses his own chakra.. but what is summoning?? Its simple s/t transportation... Hashirama simply transports the Gates to the field.... However, you compared a non living being to living beings..

no I read your thread......you said summons themselves are not a skill....which means Hashirama borrowed the defensive attributes of the gates which he did not create in the battle, but summoned.

I also guess this means Katsuya is not Tsunade's skill either which means Tsunade's healing isn't as widespread as Naruto's

 

[Sot6p]

It's because Hiruzen is able to use it at any given time.

Naruto wasn't able to use Gamabunta. That was a special occasion.
It's like Kiba and Akamaru
Naruto and Kurama

 

[HiddenSound]

It's been that way since Kuchiyose was introduced.

 

[rockerstud]

not really so much a skill. They're Partners.

 

[Draphsin]

no I read your thread......you said summons themselves are not a skill....which means Hashirama borrowed the defensive attributes of the gates which he did not create in the battle, but summoned.

I also guess this means Katsuya is not Tsunade's skill either which means Tsunade's healing isn't as widespread as Naruto's

Thank you u_u

Honestly kinghashi, how many of your threads need to be solod before you're satisfied?

 

[H a n]

Um.. Sorta I guess. Like Pokemon. When they say your Pokemon is strong, that means they will call you a strong trainer. It's part of them sorta but skill wise.. It's a helping hand.

 

[KingHashirama]

no I read your thread......you said summons themselves are not a skill....which means Hashirama borrowed the defensive attributes of the gates which he did not create in the battle, but summoned.

I also guess this means Katsuya is not Tsunade's skill either which means Tsunade's healing isn't as widespread as Naruto's

The gates were summoned. Who did he borrow them from? And noone said he created the gates...

And no Tsunade isn't Katsuyu's skill..... however Tsunade can use her skill through Katsuyu.... =]

Thank you u_u

Honestly kinghashi, how many of your threads need to be solod before you're satisfied?

Sadly, you and I have a clear different definition of soloing.

How many times will you pretend you solo'd a a thread or a thread got solo'd even though your post and his post were countered.

#DenialPhase

It's been that way since Kuchiyose was introduced.

They have been introduced as partners.... It hasn't been the same way in the manga, especially when Itachi put Kabuto using Edo tensei on spot.

 

[Lightbringer]

The gates were summoned. Who did he borrow them from? And noone said he created the gates...

And no Tsunade isn't Katsuyu's skill..... however Tsunade can use her skill through Katsuyu.... =]

and Hiruzen can use his skill through Enma, so idk what your argument is


also, summoning isn't created. If you create something then you just created it, not summoned.....so they were summoned from somewhere. You even said it yourself that Hashirama transports gates through s/t

how exactly would Hashirama create metal in the first place?

but what is summoning?? Its simple s/t transportation... Hashirama simply transports the Gates to the field

......so you're now contradicting yourself for the sake of the argument? lol Kinghashirama lol

 

[Xlad]

So Sakura can still solo Naruto and Saauke with prep time?

 

[Xāvî1]

They count as a Shinobi's power

 

[KingHashirama]

and Hiruzen can use his skill through Enma, so idk what your argument is


also, summoning isn't created. If you create something then you just created it, not summoned.....so they were summoned from somewhere. You even said it yourself that Hashirama transports gates through s/t

how exactly would Hashirama create metal in the first place?



......so you're now contradicting yourself for the sake of the argument? lol Kinghashirama lol

You started the argument.. so you should know.....

And if Hiruzen can use his skills through Hiruzen good for him, but what are those skills? And how do those skills make Enma his skill?

You are the one who mentioned creating.. I never said they were created. You stated they borrowed.. but from who? =]. On top of that you start talking about non-living things that have no will or mind and compare them to actual beings who have their own will.

Making up sh*t I didn't say isn't helping you. As you can see your point has already been answered, do not know what answer are you looking for...

They count as a Shinobi's power

Senju and Uchiha count as Hashirama and Madara's power.. They were the leaders and had them under control. But why don't we use them?

 

[Lightbringer]

You started the argument.. so you should know.....

And if Hiruzen can use his skills through Hiruzen good for him, but what are those skills? And how do those skills make Enma his skill?

I started the argument? What is your thread if not an argument? You're debating your opinion....so you created the thread, which means you started it.

Emna is his staff, and Hiruzen uses kenjutsu with him.....that's a trained skill



in the end power is power regardless of how it's obtained or what form it's in. Hashirama was born with great power, but I don't see you making a thread on how that's not fair.

You are the one who mentioned creating.. I never said they were created. You stated they borrowed.. but from who? =]. On top of that you start talking about non-living things that have no will or mind and compare them to actual beings who have their own will.

Making up sh*t I didn't say isn't helping you. As you can see your point has already been answered, do not know what answer are you looking for...

oh lol I see you edited your comment before I could quote it. You're pathetic.

it's funny because now if you go reread your edited response to my comment, it doesn't even make sense

 

[KingHashirama]

I started the argument? What is your thread if not an argument? You're debating your opinion....so you created the thread, which means you started it.

Emna is his staff, and Hiruzen uses kenjutsu with him.....that's a trained skill

oh lol I see you edited your comment before I could quote it. You're pathetic.

it's funny because now if you go reread your edited response to my comment, it doesn't even make sense

My tthread posed a question. Do you really need me to tell you what a argument is? Though you started to talk about the Gates.. which were not part of the OT.

Enma is a living being even as a staff he is a living being... Hiruzen's mastery is a skill not Enma himself. A swordsmen's art of the sword is his skill, not the sword itself.

I edited it from what???? I simply posted my replies to Hidden Sound.. .If you know it then state it. But as I recall I still haven't stated the gates were created... The only pathetic one here is you my friend.


"Hashirama was born with great power"... stupidest sh*t i have heard today. His great power would've been worthless if he didn't master. He wasn't hand given a eye that can copy techniques. You think Mokuton comes with a manual? Get real.

 

[LegendaryAce]

Would it not make sense to say Hiruzen has the skill to summon enma and he has the skill to use him in the battlefield but enma himself is not a skill but a weapon? also enma is not a skill he is a summon however how he uses him is the skill...

 

[~Uzumaki~]

If they can use it to fight, it's their skill. Sorta like Akamaru for Kiba.

 

[KingHashirama]

Would it not make sense to say Hiruzen has the skill to summon enma and he has the skill to use him in the battlefield but enma himself is not a skill but a weapon? also enma is not a skill he is a summon however how he uses him is the skill...

That is precisely the point.