[VS] Itachi vs Tobirama

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SM Naruto could tell Kakashi was not in a village. His sensing is top class.

Tobirama could tell Madara was half the world away. His sensing is superior even to SM Naruto's.

Shee couldn't tell Sasuke was using genjutsu.

Cut the crap. If you think all sensors are on the same level you must be dumb.
And that statement makes you look dumb. Naruto sensed the presence of another person. Tobirama sensed the presence of another person. And now you say Shee didn't sense Genjutsu, implying that sensing a human is the same thing as sensing the usage of a Genjutsu. Minato also sensed Naruto at the battlefield, does that put him on the same tier as Tobirama in matters of sensing?

@KidGamer, Genjutsu manipulates the Chakra in the victims brain and disturbs his senses. The eyes (eye contact) is just the medium which gives Itachi access to the chakra of the victim to be manipulated. Is Itachi focusing chakra into his finger when using finger-Genjutsu? Where is Kurenai focusing her Chakra to let the victim perceive visual Genjutsu? Where is Hashirama focusing his chakra on to create the Bringer of Darkness? Where is Itachi focusing his chakra on when using Izanami against an opponent like Kabuto, who blocked his vision?

Kabuto was a Sensor, too, with the Sage Mode a great above. So why blocking his vision if he, with his great sensing abilities and his perception of danger could sense a potential usage of Genjutsu and in this moment just avoid the eye contact? He, knowing that an eye contact automatically ends in a Genjutsu was reason that he blocked his vision.

It's not that simple with Genjutsu as with Ninjutsu.
 

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@KidGamer, Genjutsu manipulates the Chakra in the victims brain and disturbs his senses. The eyes (eye contact) is just the medium which gives Itachi access to the chakra of the victim to be manipulated. Is Itachi focusing chakra into his finger when using finger-Genjutsu? Where is Kurenai focusing her Chakra to let the victim perceive visual Genjutsu? Where is Hashirama focusing his chakra on to create the Bringer of Darkness? Where is Itachi focusing his chakra on when using Izanami against an opponent like Kabuto, who blocked his vision?

Kabuto was a Sensor, too, with the Sage Mode a great above. So why blocking his vision if he, with his great sensing abilities and his perception of danger could sense a potential usage of Genjutsu and in this moment just avoid the eye contact?

It's not that simple with Genjutsu as with Ninjutsu.
Oh, I see.
 

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Ay was clearly doing so correctly until he was distracted and restrained, so again, this isn't helping your prove your point.

Really now? You are going to need some proof he made eye contact with Obito and vice versa. Looking at someone doesn't mean you are making eye contact with them, not one bit.

Replace Madara with Itachi and that scenario never would have happened, so again, you have no point there.


lmao @ you if you believe a Dusk Crow Genjutsu is going to end this.
So in a battle all tobirama will be wary of is avoiding eye contact? No. Shurikenjutsu, fire-release, susano, etc. Just shows how heated this battle could get, and how tobirama could easily forget not to look at his eyes at the heat of the moment. anyways all circumstantial.

Srry too lazy to look for pages... It all depends on how u wanna view the panels right next to eachother where obito talks and looks at the direction of tobirimas close up face and if either tobi is looking at obitos nice facial complexion or his eyes. Opinions I guess.

hmmmm kcm-naruto was suggested to be faster than ay, whilst itachi was able to keep up with the movements of kcm naruto. yes I already know naruto wasn't going all out, the feat should be noticed nonetheless. I could see itachi reacting to one of ay's blitz and quickly create a susano limb and catch the raikage like that. Srry again would show how sasukes reflexes and sharing precognition was able to keep up with raikage... but too lazy. anyways its circumstantial.

well in reference to stricts post about the difference in genjutsu and ninjutsu deal. I still believe this could end it.
 

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So in a battle all tobirama will be wary of is avoiding eye contact? No. Shurikenjutsu, fire-release, susano, etc. Just shows how heated this battle could get, and how tobirama could easily forget not to look at his eyes at the heat of the moment. anyways all circumstantial.

Srry too lazy to look for pages... It all depends on how u wanna view the panels right next to eachother where obito talks and looks at the direction of tobirimas close up face and if either tobi is looking at obitos nice facial complexion or his eyes. Opinions I guess.

hmmmm kcm-naruto was suggested to be faster than ay, whilst itachi was able to keep up with the movements of kcm naruto. yes I already know naruto wasn't going all out, the feat should be noticed nonetheless. I could see itachi reacting to one of ay's blitz and quickly create a susano limb and catch the raikage like that. Srry again would show how sasukes reflexes and sharing precognition was able to keep up with raikage... but too lazy. anyways its circumstantial.

well in reference to stricts post about the difference in genjutsu and ninjutsu deal. I still believe this could end it.
I don't have a clear opinion on the fight right now....just wanted to point out a flaw in your argument.
 

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Itachi was fighting a Naruto that never used his actual speed, but his regular footspeed, which I'm not even sure is faster in KCM.
Naruto was in kcm mode the entire time as my memory serves me. however it is true that he did not use his foot speed. as

they engaged in hand to hand combat in mid air. Wish to no longer get off topic with this raikage vs itachi. Don't really care

if itachi is as fast as ay or kcm naruto, sasuke reacted to ay, itachi has the ability to do the same. Not really sure what ur

doubtful of... I definitely think that chakra enhanced movement throughout the body will increase speed.
 

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Sasuke didn't react to Ay. He was utterly unnable to track his movements.

V2 Ay, that is.

Also Itachi's eyes are much more degraded than MS Sasuke's.
 

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I don't have a clear opinion on the fight right now....just wanted to point out a flaw in your argument.
The failure to follow precautions on avoiding genjutsu from sharingar users? U said ay was distracted... well in a fight

distractions often occur, itachi has shown to act quick, especially regarding genjutsu placementing... don't know if that's a word=D Also note that ninjas should have a different handbook for avoiding genjutsu from itachi than that of the common uchiha. =D

Ya I could totally see tobirama taking this in the future if kishi allows more screen time and feats. As of now solo king solo's imo
 

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I don't have a clear opinion on the fight right now....just wanted to point out a flaw in your argument.
The failure to follow precautions on avoiding genjutsu from sharingar users? U said ay was distracted... well in a fight

distractions often occur, itachi has shown to act quick, especially regarding genjutsu placementing... don't know if that's a word=D Also note that ninjas should have a different handbook for avoiding genjutsu from itachi than that of the common uchiha. =D

Ya I could totally see tobirama taking this in the future if kishi allows more screen time and feats. As of now solo king solo's imo

fack my internet speed and dat double post
 
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Sasuke didn't react to Ay. He was utterly unnable to track his movements.

V2 Ay, that is.

Also Itachi's eyes are much more degraded than MS Sasuke's.
not really since sasuke was able to duck and evade a lariat. would show the manga page, don't care if u believe me

Meh, itachi's eyesight is bad, but I don't think he needs to squint to see that ay is right in front of him ready to attack

and also itachi's sharingan precognition was shown never to worsen, only his movements and eyesight. Susano arm should make up for lack of movement
 

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I think this goes either way high difficulty. Undecided at the moment.

It is clear that Tobirama has better reactions, intelligence, and strength. He has the natural elemental advantage, edo tensei, and the all mighty FTG as well as Kage Bunshins.

Itachi has really OP techniques though.
 
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