[Theory] Kamui and Kotoamatsukami; other powers of the Mangekyō Sharingan

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Hi there! I don't always make threads on NarutoBase, but when I do, they're in-depth theoretical posts!

I'll get right into it. This thread will be about Kamui and Kotoamatsukami; in my opinion, two of the strangest jutsu in the series! Now, let me start of with the two more common Mangekyō abilities. Susano'o, Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi. These three abilities are held by Madara (although we haven't seen him use Amaterasu or Tsukiyomi, we can assume he can. As Itachi said Susano'o can only be preform by an Uchiha who has awoken Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu in their Mangekyō.
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Also, he wants to reflect his eye off the moon and cast the infinite Tsukiyomi. Therefor, we can assume he also has Amaterasu.

Interesting thing here is- all three people who have these abilities- also have siblings. The potential to gain the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan.


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Kamui and Kotoamatsukami are weilded by both Uchiha Shisui and Obito- both of which haven't been shown to have a sibling and, therefor, no chance to get the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan. Because of this, they have unique and specials attributes that are unique to them (Obito's case is different, obviously.)

Remember the Oni used to we we're shown when Itachi was explaining how one acheives the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan to Sasuke? I think in their cases, they only have one pair. One ability. Because of this, their eyes also never seem to lose their 'light'. The eyes are born eternal. Evidence of this is that Tobi has used Kamui countless times and never once has shown any evidence of deteriorating vision. In Shisui's case, both his eyes could Kotoamatsukami once a decade. So, twice every ten years. However, after using it, it was never stated he'd go blind.

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So. Uchiha who are born with siblings are cursed to become insanely attached to them. Due to Uchiha being cursed to love. This is why the stone tablet said you must kill your brother. After losing the person they're attached to, the Mangekyō awakens. If the Uchiha in question has siblings and the potential to get the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan, they will be granted Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi, thus giving them Susano'o. If the Uchiha in question is an only child and has no potential to achieve the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan- or rather- is granted the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan upon awaking the new eye, they will receive an ability exclusive to them and dependent on their nature. Example; Kamui complimented Obito's situation. It was the only way he could survive his scenario and his eye knew this and awoke in that moment to save him in that way. Kotoamatsukami complimented Shisui's dedication to the Leaf village. Giving him the ability to save it had he used it sooner.

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What are your thoughts on this? Do you think this theory is accurate? Let me know!​
 
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I agree on the feasibility.

It has been established that the sharingan can cast the jutsu Izanagi, which blends the borders of reality.

It has also been established that often in desperate times techniques can be used in an emergency without casting a complete jutsu.

for these reasons, I believe that the Izanagi ability could be used subconciously to create a highly specialised eye jutsu in a state of emergency.

based on this assumption, another assumtion could be that if a subconcious Izanagi was cast upon the eyes only, the same Izanagi power could be subconciously used to stop the user becoming blind.

so yes, your theory is feasible.
 

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It is in the threads main post >_>
No its not, who is talking?? If itachi said "Anyone who awakens tsukuyomi & ama will awaken susanoo along with it". Then you would be correct

The fact that he said "That awoke within THESE EYES", means he's referring to his own. Any other forms of "proof" that you may have?

He wants to reflect his eye off the moon and use Tsukiyomi on the entire world.

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Madara can use simple genjutsu in order to perform the "great genjutsu" that he's describing as I/T.

In short, tsukuyomi & infinite tsukuyomi are two separate jutsus, despite the name similarity.
 

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No its not, who is talking?? If itachi said "Anyone who awakens tsukuyomi & ama will awaken susanoo along with it". Then you would be correct

The fact that he said "That awoke within THESE EYES", means he's referring to his own. Any other forms of "proof" that you may have?



Read the manga broseph :cool:

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Madara can use simple genjutsu in order to perform the "great genjutsu" that he's describing as I/T.

In short, tsukuyomi & infinite tsukuyomi are two separate jutsus, despite the name similarity.
So he calls it the Infinite Tsukiyomi for kicks?
 

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So he calls it the Infinite Tsukiyomi for kicks?
Tsukuyomi means

"Tsuki no Me Keikaku" means " "

Naming the genjutsu after the moon god, & calling the project "eye of the moon plan" is more than relevant in conjunction to what it does.
 

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No its not, who is talking?? If itachi said "Anyone who awakens tsukuyomi & ama will awaken susanoo along with it". Then you would be correct

The fact that he said "That awoke within THESE EYES", means he's referring to his own. Any other forms of "proof" that you may have?



Read the manga broseph :cool:

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Madara can use simple genjutsu in order to perform the "great genjutsu" that he's describing as I/T.

In short, tsukuyomi & infinite tsukuyomi are two separate jutsus, despite the name similarity.
You do realize that Itachi speaks Itachinese right... so basically he seriously does mean that ama/Tsukuyomi is required to awaken Susanoo as it is just something that is "rarely" awakened as only 3 Uchiha have only been seen to have been used... two of whom btw have both Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi and we have not really seen all of Madaras movesets anyway
 

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Tsukuyomi means

"Tsuki no Me Keikaku" means " "

Naming the genjutsu after the moon god, & calling the project "eye of the moon plan" is more than relevant in conjunction to what it does.
That is actually a fair response. However, at the time, Tsukiyomi didn't have a name- and what he described is almost exactly what Itachi told Kakashi in part one.
 

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still, the theory is based on assumptions, that are not sure to be true.
Plus its a bit silly because when you are born its not clear that u will have a sibling. it would make only sense for twins.
in addition.
itachi means his own eyes.

what can be right as well is the following.
Everybody has his own mangekyou ability. some are able to get another one - one per eye. If both eyes have the ability than a unique susano'o gets awaken.
its possible that every user gets a second ability by transplanting eyes + EMS. just like sasuke did.
his ability is to shape enton (amaterasu) and extinguish. itachi could create amaterasu. so sasuke can shape it and also create because of the eyes of his brother.
he didn't does not seem to be able to do tsukoyomi.

am i right, or can someone correct me ?
 
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