Itachi vs Sasor

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it must have been worth it if you felt the need to counter it and collect scans.

The amount to time to build concentration and for it to be half way down the users face it indeed enough time to 1) acknowledge and 2) react (depending on the opponent)

An opponent, especially a sand user has the ability to act according. It's not about knowing what is being used nor trying to prevent, it's a caution procedure.

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here we say Sasuke close his eyes and prep amat. (blaze release). The process is the same, the user closes his eye, bleeds and BOOM. Garra not knowing, simply sent sand forward because he know shyt was about to go down. Sasori given he has iron sand as well, can very well demonstrate the same method. IMO this is common sense (something I say often). Sasori does have a 5 intelligence and is arguably one of the most intelligent characters in the series (as displayed.

This won't gonna work. I already displayed you scans where Amaterasu is used instantly in situation which were more dramatically and the use necessary fast. As I said, the bleeding of the eye (which does not even need the closed eye as showed multiple times) is more entertainment and used when the user has the time to stay calm and prepare something. When he needs the immediate usage, it is used immediately -> Itachi against Kidomaru's cobweb and Sasuke against Danzo. Even if we count the first Amaterasu as prep time, there is still the question what Sasori could to. The scenario in which Sasori would protect himself with the iron sand would expect that the Sandaime Kazekage is already summoned and released his iron sand, and that is only the case in a scenario you would come up to your favor; so the chance is 50:50, the Sandaime could be summoned at that time or not.

Then, the second question would apply to Sasori's further actions. What will he further do after he countered the first Amaterasu? Would he stay in a sphere of his iron sand? When Itachi's Susanoo already broke Kimimaro's bones, which were said to be as hard as steel and were even strengthened with Kabuto's Senchakra, with mere physical force, in this case, the Totsuka blade, a spiritual weapon which is hyped in both databook and Manga to be the ultimate offensive weapon which makes the user invincible and crushes all targets, would pierce right through this sphere and destroy Sasori. The Sandaime Kazekage puppets is destroyed in many ways, too, whether with Amaterasu or Susanoo's attacks like the Totsuka blade (mid range), Magatama's (close to long range) or physical force. With the destruction of the puppet, the sand is gone as well.

And what happens then? If Sasori manages to summon his hundred puppets before Itachi sets him on fire, a few blows of Susanoo's former stages would shatter this fodder puppets.
 
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Incorrect. There isn't a scenario where Amaterasu one shots Gaara. With knowledge or not, Gaara counters it. It's a fact that Gaara wears a Sand Armor so if Amaterasu hits him, he just has to remove that layer of Sand Armor.

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Mind saying a thing or two? Because I didn't really understand that much for what you were aiming for.
 

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Incorrect. There isn't a scenario where Amaterasu one shots Gaara. With knowledge or not, Gaara counters it. It's a fact that Gaara wears a Sand Armor so if Amaterasu hits him, he just has to remove that layer of Sand Armor.

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Oh shit, completely forgot about that! Lol
 

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Honestly, Gaara doesn't need intel on any of his MS moves except maybe Tsukuyomi. Gaara's Sand Armor would protect him from Amaterasu anyways and it's not IC for Itachi to suddenly one shot him with Amaterasu.

all he needs is basic manga knowledge. That's the fair assessment imo.
 

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Oh shit, completely forgot about that! Lol

Yeah, I forgot about that as well until Crossroads reminded me of the Sand Armor xD But basically with that and the third eye, Gaara beats Itachi.
 

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Honestly, Gaara doesn't need intel on any of his MS moves except maybe Tsukuyomi. Gaara's Sand Armor would protect him from Amaterasu anyways and it's not IC for Itachi to suddenly one shot him with Amaterasu.

Dayum, i need to pay attention to Part 1 from now on.O___O
 

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Sneak attack with poisonous tail from beneath the ground = GG Itachie.

Anyway, I would like to see some serious arguments from both sides.
 

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Dayum, i need to pay attention to Part 1 from now on.O___O


You're not the only one. I didn't even read the manga of Part 1. I only watched a few episodes. xD
 

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I was just about to post the scan of Kankuro breaking down the weakness of the armor sand, thanks Agoodboy, anyways the armor is not automatic and is not covered upon his body at will, . Even if he did shed the amaterasu off, that doesnt put out amaterasu which means whats stopping Itachi from simply manipulating amaterasu to go back on gaara as soon as he sheds it off since he was able to Shedding amaterasu is useless since Itachi can simply make it go right back on him.

Edit- how about we get back on topic about sasori?
 

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You're not the only one. I didn't even read the manga of Part 1. I only watched a few episodes. xD

-___- you didnt read part one???? Its better then Part 2!
 

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Sneak attack with poisonous tail from beneath the ground = GG Itachie.

Anyway, I would like to see some serious arguments from both sides.

Beneath the ground? huh? Hiruko is of no factor here, easily gets destroyed.
 

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Mind saying a thing or two? Because I didn't really understand that much for what you were aiming for.

Just that he only uses it when he's in a bind(not always) and it reduces his speed along with draining his stamina and chakra.

IIRC he didn't use sand armor against the past kage or madara. Possibly due to the above reasons which would limit his arsenal in some way or another.
 

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I was just about to post the scan of Kankuro breaking down the weakness of the armor sand, thanks Agoodboy, anyways the armor is not automatic and is not covered upon his body at will, . Even if he did shed the amaterasu off, that doesnt put out amaterasu which means whats stopping Itachi from simply manipulating amaterasu to go back on gaara as soon as he sheds it off since he was able to Shedding amaterasu is useless since Itachi can simply make it go right back on him.

Simple. As soon as Gaara gets hit with Amaterasu, he will know that Itachi's eye bleeds before it appears. All Gaara has to do is and make a hole in the back in order for him to throw away the sand that was hit with Amaterasu.


Just that he only uses it when he's in a bind(not always) and it reduces his speed along with draining his stamina and chakra.

IIRC he didn't use sand armor against the past kage or madara. Possibly due to the above reasons which would limit his arsenal in some way or another.

Oh I see, but seeing Itachi's skill before Itachi even activates the Mangekyo (Itachi doesn't start out with spamming Amaterasu or other MS techniques), it would be smart of him to wear that Sand Armor.

-___- you didnt read part one???? Its better then Part 2!

Yeah. It didn't interest me that much honestly so I just skipped to part 2. xD I may read it soon though.
 
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This won't gonna work. I already displayed you scans where Amaterasu is used instantly in situation which were more dramatically and the use necessary fast. As I said, the bleeding of the eye (which does not even need the closed eye as showed multiple times) is more entertainment and used when the user has the time to stay calm and prepare something. When he needs the immediate usage, it is used immediately -> Itachi against Kidomaru's cobweb and Sasuke against Danzo. Even if we count the first Amaterasu as prep time, there is still the question what Sasori could to. The scenario in which Sasori would protect himself with the iron sand would expect that the Sandaime Kazekage is already summoned and released his iron sand, and that is only the case in a scenario you would come up to your favor; so the chance is 50:50, the Sandaime could be summoned at that time or not.

Then, the second question would apply to Sasori's further actions. What will he further do after he countered the first Amaterasu? Would he stay in a sphere of his iron sand? When Itachi's Susanoo already broke Kimimaro's bones, which were said to be as hard as steel and were even strengthened with Kabuto's Senchakra, with mere physical force, in this case, the Totsuka blade, a spiritual weapon which is hyped in both databook and Manga to be the ultimate offensive weapon which makes the user invincible and crushes all targets, would pierce right through this sphere and destroy Sasori. The Sandaime Kazekage puppets is destroyed in many ways, too, whether with Amaterasu or Susanoo's attacks like the Totsuka blade (mid range), Magatama's (close to long range) or physical force. With the destruction of the puppet, the sand is gone as well.

And what happens then? If Sasori manages to summon his hundred puppets before Itachi sets him on fire, a few blows of Susanoo's former stages would shatter this fodder puppets with a few blows.


in those scans amat. WERE NOT used instantly. Instant use requires no eye being closed (for a moments time) and no bleeding. The only time this can be done is when it has been used already the fight (the second time). However, even than it depends of the target and the amount of concentration put forth by the user. If the a user was to use amat. reckless and had no specific target, less prep is required. That's more than obvious.

after Amaterasu is used, it informs the opponent the speed factor and the accuracy factor (levels of concentration). In knowing this, Sasori would need to keep Itachi on his toes. As shown against Sakura, he used Iron block simultaneously, left and right. In doing this, it prevents an accurate use amata.

Susanoo would prevent the use of amata. and don't forget the fact that sand=/bone. Slicing those sand means nothing, it could just reform and it's disposable
 

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I was just about to post the scan of Kankuro breaking down the weakness of the armor sand, thanks Agoodboy, anyways the armor is not automatic and is not covered upon his body at will, . Even if he did shed the amaterasu off, that doesnt put out amaterasu which means whats stopping Itachi from simply manipulating amaterasu to go back on gaara as soon as he sheds it off since he was able to Shedding amaterasu is useless since Itachi can simply make it go right back on him.

Edit- how about we get back on topic about sasori?

make it go back to him? explain please
 

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Beneath the ground? huh? Hiruko is of no factor here, easily gets destroyed.

Well, I believe that Itachi takes this BUT, if Itachi decides to throw some Amaterasu at Hiruko, he needs to focus his eyesight on him. The tail would do its job quite easily in such situation. It's proven to be really fast and able to react quickly.
One second of Itachi not being careful and he is done.
 

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Simple. As soon as Gaara gets hit with Amaterasu, he will know that Itachi's eye bleeds before it appears. All Gaara has to do is and make a hole in the back in order for him to throw away the sand that was hit with Amaterasu.

He would first have to have pre experience with the blood drain usage due to amaterasu first he pulled off that feat.




It took 2 pages for the dome to fully enclose, strict already mentioned how the usage of amaterasu regarding the time duration isnt as slow as people make it out to believe.
 

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When people tell me how Gaara will have the time to build up that sand dome when Itachi uses Amaterasu with , we can debate on a par. When Kidomaru used his cobweb, Itachi immediately activated Amaterasu. Seeing that Gaara will start building up his sand dome, Itachi will use Amaterasu with exactly that instant. That's quite obviously, Itachi displayed that ability, so it can't be downplayed. If Gaara should create his sand dome, Totsuka will pierce right through it. Totsuka is a spiritual weapon without a physical form, it instantly blitzed Nagato at long range and this is what Itachi's gonna do, taking his chance without waiting as against Nagato. The same would happen to Sasori btw.

All of you have a fundamentally wrong understanding and poor knowing of Itachi's abilities and skills.
 

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Itachi is the most overrated character of all time no contest!

I dunno.... Minato fans are just as bad... sometimes worse....
 
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