Itachi vs Sasor

[Prince Charles]

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make it go back to him? explain please

Can't tell if serious? Itachi can clearly control the movement and direction of amaterasu shown against sasuke, if gaara sheds the amaterasu, itachi can simply make amaterasu go right back on him since it still existing and it can't be put out.

Well, I believe that Itachi takes this BUT, if Itachi decides to throw some Amaterasu at Hiruko, he needs to focus his eyesight on him. The tail would do its job quite easily in such situation. It's proven to be really fast and able to react quickly.
One second of Itachi not being careful and he is done.

I dont see the tail being the problem honestly, amaterasu isnt even needed for hiruko, it's crushed via sussano palm or yaska magatams right off the bat, it's even possible that Itachi can end sasori while his in hiruko due to the crushing from the sussano hand, hiruko along with sasori will get crushed. Same goes for yaska magatama.

 

[Shura]

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He would first have to have pre experience with the blood drain usage due to amaterasu first he pulled off that feat.

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It took 2 pages for the dome to fully enclose, strict already mentioned how the usage of amaterasu regarding the time duration isnt as slow as people make it out to believe.

It takes two pages for the Sand Dome to close? Sure if you're talking about Part 1 Gaara. Part 2 Gaara was able to close the Sand Dome in a few seconds as seen when

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When people tell me how Gaara will have the time to build up that sand dome when Itachi uses Amaterasu with

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, we can debate on a par. When Kidomaru used his cobweb, Itachi immediately activated Amaterasu. Seeing that Gaara will start building up his sand dome, Itachi will use Amaterasu with exactly that instant. That's quite obviously, Itachi displayed that ability, so it can't be downplayed. If Gaara should create his sand dome, Totsuka will pierce right through it. Totsuka is a spiritual weapon without a physical form, it instantly blitzed Nagato at long range and this is what Itachi's gonna do, taking his chance without waiting as against Nagato. The same would happen to Sasori btw.

All of you have a fundamentally wrong understanding and poor knowing of Itachi's abilities and skills.

I believe that it was stated in the OP that this is alive sick Itachi so don't come to me with that scan. Sasuke reacted to alive Itachi's Amaterasu and even outran it for a few moments.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

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Itachi wins this High Diff if he's ill

Sasori's body is actually even more susceptable to Genjutsu since

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[AGoodBoy]

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EDIT: Wait, why is this thread revolving around gaara now? What happened to sasori? Did everyone simply come to an agreement that Itachi takes out sasori?

Simple. As soon as Gaara gets hit with Amaterasu, he will know that Itachi's eye bleeds before it appears. All Gaara has to do is

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and make a hole in the back in order for him to throw away the sand that was hit with Amaterasu.



Oh I see, but seeing Itachi's skill before Itachi even activates the Mangekyo (Itachi doesn't start out with spamming Amaterasu or other MS techniques), it would be smart of him to wear that Sand Armor.



Yeah. It didn't interest me that much honestly so I just skipped to part 2. xD I may read it soon though.

Yea, I know. I'm just stating that by using that sand armor, you should be aware that you're also limiting the number of jutsu gaara can do. A simple way to show the effects of the sand armor on gaara's arsenal is the kimi fight where he was drained rather quickly off of very few moves. The feats he did during that fight were pretty much increased by a factor of 100 in the deidara fight where, IIRC, he also had no sand armor on.

IMO, gaara vs Itachi could go either way -- leaning more into gaara's favor depending on circumstances -- as long as the argument about "3rd eye = GG genjutsu" holds true... but, imo since the eye is connected to his optic nerve, he should be able to be affected by genjutsu, but i'm most likely wrong due to the trollkage fight.

 

[blazekev90]

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He would first have to have pre experience with the blood drain usage due to amaterasu first he pulled off that feat.

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It took 2 pages for the dome to fully enclose, strict already mentioned how the usage of amaterasu regarding the time duration isnt as slow as people make it out to believe.

he wouldn't need to resort to that, that was more part 1 Garra.

Now, with every intial attack Garra covers himself with a good amount of sand instantly afterwards.

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This is right after his initial attacks. So if he were to block the first amat. the chance of the second hitting him are slim to none.

 

[Prince Charles]

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in those scans amat. WERE NOT used instantly. Instant use requires no eye being closed (for a moments time) and no bleeding. The only time this can be done is when it has been used already the fight (the second time). However, even than it depends of the target and the amount of concentration put forth by the user. If the a user was to use amat. reckless and had no specific target, less prep is required. That's more than obvious.

after Amaterasu is used, it informs the opponent the speed factor and the accuracy factor (levels of concentration). In knowing this, Sasori would need to keep Itachi on his toes. As shown against Sakura, he used Iron block simultaneously, left and right. In doing this, it prevents an accurate use amata.

Susanoo would prevent the use of amata. and don't forget the fact that sand=/bone. Slicing those sand means nothing, it could just reform and it's disposable

The scan that strict showed of Itachi using amaterasu against kidomaru's webs was practically instant, obviously not FTG instant but you get the picture, when the webs appeared they weren't even concentrating chakra for amaterasu right off the bat, it was the moment when sasuke said You cannot cut that sword with a thread, a second later amaterasu is already out. The eye bleeding was short in length and appeared when amaterasu was practically ready for launch.

 

[Nattana]

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I dont see the tail being the problem honestly, amaterasu isnt even needed for hiruko, it's crushed via sussano palm or yaska magatams right off the bat, it's even possible that Itachi can end sasori while his in hiruko due to the crushing from the sussano hand, hiruko along with sasori will get crushed. Same goes for yaska magatama.

IMO Itachi should start this by setting up some additional defense. Susanoo may not be enough considering that Sasori has - not many but still - ways of bypassing it. And since even a small scratch means death and since Sasori can sacrifice his puppets if it means executing a successful attack - Itachi should be cautious.

 

[Shura]

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Itachi wins this High Diff if he's ill

Sasori's body is actually even more susceptable to Genjutsu since

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Genjutsu works on the target's brain. It isn't an option here since Sasori only has a heart:

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[blazekev90]

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The scan that strict showed of Itachi using amaterasu against kidomaru's webs was practically instant, obviously not FTG instant but you get the picture, when the webs appeared they weren't even concentrating chakra for amaterasu right off the bat, it was the moment when sasuke said You cannot cut that sword with a thread, a second later amaterasu is already out. The eye bleeding was short in length and appeared when amaterasu was practically ready for launch.

I stated that prep depends on the target and the concentration needed. A giant web as the target w/ help does not require much needed concentration. In contract, one small sole individual w/ great distance does.

 

[Prince Charles]

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he wouldn't need to resort to that, that was more part 1 Garra.

Now, with every intial attack Garra covers himself with a good amount of sand instantly afterwards.

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This is right after his initial attacks. So if he were to block the first amat. the chance of the second hitting him are slim to none.

And the same scans you posts we clearly see opening from the sides and from behind that the sand doesnt cover, which itachi can easily exploit to manipulate the movement of amaterasu after gaara sheds it off and make it go right back at him again.

It takes two pages for the Sand Dome to close? Sure if you're talking about Part 1 Gaara. Part 2 Gaara was able to close the Sand Dome in a few seconds as seen when

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Yeah you have a point but theirs still the potential factor that shukaku played a role in that via making the sand faster and etc.

 

[Prince Charles]

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I stated that prep depends on the target and the concentration needed. A giant web as the target w/ help does not require much needed concentration. In contract, one small sole individual w/ great distance does.

No matter since Itachi can easily close that gap with his shunshin.

 

[Shura]

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Yeah you have a point but theirs still the potential factor that shukaku played a role in that via making the sand faster and etc.

Perhaps. What version of Gaara are we debating here with? Shukaku Gaara or War Arc Gaara?

 

[Prince Charles]

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Perhaps. What version of Gaara are we debating here with? Shukaku Gaara or War Arc Gaara?

I assumed War arc gaara right off the bat, but sadly i gotta log off for a bit, been nice debating boys. Plus rep to everyone that put up a argument, if you dont get a rep that means i gotta spread. Cya.

 

[Strict]

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It takes two pages for the Sand Dome to close? Sure if you're talking about Part 1 Gaara. Part 2 Gaara was able to close the Sand Dome in a few seconds as seen when

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as soon as

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When people tell me how Gaara will have the time to build up that sand dome when Itachi uses Amaterasu with

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, we can debate on a par. When Kidomaru used his cobweb, Itachi immediately activated Amaterasu. Seeing that Gaara will start building up his sand dome, Itachi will use Amaterasu with exactly that instant. That's quite obviously, Itachi displayed that ability, so it can't be downplayed. If Gaara should create his sand dome, Totsuka will pierce right through it. Totsuka is a spiritual weapon without a physical form, it instantly blitzed Nagato at long range and this is what Itachi's gonna do, taking his chance without waiting as against Nagato. The same would happen to Sasori btw.

All of you have a fundamentally wrong understanding and poor knowing of Itachi's abilities and skills.

He simply reacted to the birds and protected himself from the explosion with sand. In the dust cloud, he then only had to form the sand he already used for protection to a dome. Amaterasu however is cast right at the target. Gaara can't react to it, and in the same instant of Gaara building up the dome, Amaterasu is cast as in the scan I already displayed - faster than Gaara's protection.

The talk anyway isn't about Gaara.

Genjutsu works on the target's brain. It isn't an option here since Sasori only has a heart:

The brain is the center of a humans Chakra system, the heart is Sasori's and replaces all necessary functions of a human. He still has his senses, he still thinks in some way, he still has a Chakra system and has a mentality. All this somehow must be fixed to his core. Otherwise he wouldn't life. The reason why Genjutsu affects the brain is, that it's the central nervous system. In Sasori's case, it is his core.

This is how Chakra is actually built:

Chakra (チャクラ, chakura) is essential to even the most basic technique; it is the moulding of the physical energy (身体エネルギー, shintai enerugī) present in every cell of the body and the spiritual energy (精神エネルギー, seishin enerugī) gained from exercise and experience.

Physical energy is present in every cell of a humans body; how is it present in Sasori when it is necessary to build Chakra? Well, it is Manga logic in one way, shows Sasori's similarity to a human on the other. Sasori has all what it needs to be caught in Genjutsu.

 

[blazekev90]

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And the same scans you posts we clearly see opening from the sides and from behind that the sand doesnt cover, which itachi can easily exploit to manipulate the movement of amaterasu after gaara sheds it off and make it go right back at him again.


Yeah you have a point but theirs still the potential factor that shukaku played a role in that via making the sand faster and etc.

So you're telling me it would take no concentration for Itachi to manipulate blaze release around the sand Garra already has placed in front of him?!?! hahaha Not even Sasuke who is better w/ amat. was capable of doing this w/o some prep

That's highly unlikely, but the point was with sand already surroding Garra, it takes no time to cover himself

in this scan no dome

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in the NEXT scan full dome complete

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not only has the speed increased, but his maneuver of successfully doing this has changed.

SAND WAS ALREADY IN PLACE AFTER HIS INITIAL ATTACK, HE PREPPED THIS!!!

 

[Shura]

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The brain is the center of a humans Chakra system, the heart is Sasori's and replaces all necessary functions of a human. He still has his senses, he still thinks in some way, he still has a Chakra system and has a mentality. All this somehow must be fixed to his core. Otherwise he wouldn't life. The reason why Genjutsu affects the brain is, that it's the central nervous system. In Sasori's case, it is his core.

This is how Chakra is actually built:



Physical energy is present in every cell of a humans body; how is it present in Sasori when it is necessary to build Chakra? Well, it is Manga logic in one way, shows Sasori's similarity to a human on the other.

I'll have to disagree. From Jiraiya's explanation on how Genjutsu works,

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so he has no brain. Not to mention that

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. Now you may wonder how does Sasori think, see, etc. Simple. It's already been proven that Chakra can hold information (I'll just post an exploit from AKE):

Section Two

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Section two was written by a very intelligent member in which we don't have with us currently any longer; pay close attention to this part as I can conclude that it is the ideal changer.

To strengthen the possibility of Kakuzu being immune to Genjutsu I have to bring out a few scenario's similar to the premise:

When Orochimaru absorbed his Chakra from Kabuto, he obtained memories and information from him.

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When Itachi prodded Sasuke he forced information - Amaterasu - into Sasuke, the fact he had Itachi's MS style shows his influence.

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Just confirms that in the NV that Chakra can contain information, that a heart as the source of Chakra can be seen as Kakuzu's 'brain'.

There's also the fact that if he's connected to any of his hearts and is subjected to Genjutsu that the mask's different Chakra signature would cancel it out - an outside force.

No brain = Genjutsu won't work.

 

[blazekev90]

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No matter since Itachi can easily close that gap with his shunshin.

oh reallyyyyyyyyyy...=D

 

[DemonicAvenger]

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Genjutsu works on the target's brain. It isn't an option here since Sasori only has a heart:

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How do you suggest that Sasori operates with out some type of brain-like structure? The fact that he does should be proof enough that he has something of the sort.

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Jin Gaara >>> Itachi

 

[Shura]

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How do you suggest that Sasori operates with out some type of brain-like structure? The fact that he does should be proof enough that he has something of the sort.

The man stated it himself. If he has only a heart then he only has a heart. And Chakra can hold information as I posted in my previous post.

 

[Zexion~]

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*sigh*

Itachi wins this....not too much difficulty