Base Logic vs. Real Life logic

[Gaaraske]

I've noticed on here if anyone other than naruto has a feat, powerup, or does something that makes naruto look bad it's an asspull. And people on her think their OPINION trumps manga facts lmfao... r you serious?

This is narutobase logic:


Kurama is a part of Naruto's power, but Sasuke has itachi's eyes and is now using Juugo curse seal to have senju powers which is a asspull.

Real world logic:

Kurama is in fact NOT a part of Naruto's power, he is a chakra monster with his own, name, personality, and motives... he is a LIVING BEING for crying out loud. Sasuke has eyes!!!! MF eyes lol they are indeed not alive. Kishi plans everything he first mentioned Juugo being from a clan who used Senju chakra about 100 chapters ago, this was not a ass pull. Juugo is like Sasuke's bodyguard sworn to protect him, by lending him chakra or w/e Sasuke needs just like Kurama saves Naruto time and time again by leaching him chakra his ENTIRE life.

SN: I'll expand on this later, I have to go do things in my real life lol

 

[Cursed Prince]

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[SpaceSage]

Naruto>Sasuke by miles

sasuke would still be 3 tomoe sharingan if it wasnt for his help from itachi and oro and juugo

 

[Silent Phantom]

Naruto>Sasuke by miles

sasuke would still be 3 tomoe sharingan if it wasnt for his help from itachi and oro and juugo

And Naruto wouldn't be alive without Kurama

 

[Wolfus]

You people can't understand the relationship between naruto, kurama, and the rest of the shinobis. Naruto endured a lot, a lot for all his life only because he had kurama inside of him. He had a lot of psychological suffering, as we've seen how most people treated him because of the jinchuriki situation of his. He barely managed to get any friends, he didn't have parents. Can you imagine the pain he went through only because of kurama?

Nevertheless, naruto swallowed, fought all that suffering most part by himself. He tried a lot to make people acknowledge and accept him, and he succeded.

Then, there is the physical problems of having kurama's chakra. He had to hold his anger, control his feelings in a fight, because he couldn't use kurama's power or he could hurt his friends and himself. Part of his training was harder because of this.

Recently, he risked his life to try to control kurama's chakra, fighting the monster inside his mind. He had help, sure, but he did a lot all by himself. He succeded again. However, he was risking his life again by using all that chakra, but he used it anyway.
Then, he managed to become friends with kurama, he managed to defeat the monster's hatred(and kurama was all hatred). Not only that, but he managed to control perfectly kurama's chakra, as we saw what he did with it

Kurama's power is not naruto's, of course, the name itself says it, kurama's power. However, with everything naruto did, I'm pretty sure he deserves to have kurama's power considered his.
Sorry for the long post.

 

[Mr Hiru]

I've noticed on here if anyone other than naruto has a feat, powerup, or does something that makes naruto look bad it's an asspull. And people on her think their OPINION trumps manga facts lmfao... r you serious?

This is narutobase logic:


Kurama is a part of Naruto's power, but Sasuke has itachi's eyes and is now using Juugo curse seal to have senju powers which is a asspull.

Real world logic:

Kurama is in fact NOT a part of Naruto's power, he is a chakra monster with his own, name, personality, and motives... he is a LIVING BEING for crying out loud. Sasuke has eyes!!!! MF eyes lol they are indeed not alive. Kishi plans everything he first mentioned Juugo being from a clan who used Senju chakra about 100 chapters ago, this was not a ass pull. Juugo is like Sasuke's bodyguard sworn to protect him, by lending him chakra or w/e Sasuke needs just like Kurama saves Naruto time and time again by leaching him chakra his ENTIRE life.

SN: I'll expand on this later, I have to go do things in my real life lol

You forgot the main feature of the Uzumaki clan members... chakra reserves and lifespan. Naruto is a chakra monster even without Kurama my friend. And Sasuke is a technique monster since he has high spiritual energy and low-mid chakra reserves.

You forgot to emphatize that Sasuke got OROCHIMARU's curse mark, ITACHI's extension to EMS, and JUUGO's Hermit Powers. Ergo, Sasuke is a prostitute or a call girl, since he depends on sugar daddies to get powerups and he doesn't even train to get mastery over these powerups. Naruto only got Kurama and Sage Mode, but at least Naruto trained hard to properly control them. Sasuke just cried XD.

 

[htmwall]

yes kurama isn't part of naruto's body yet he deserves his power more than what any uchiha would deserve getting MS,EMS rinnegan through the lame-ass power of love/hate thingy.
this cleared apart,why is it called an asspull?because simply what is senjutsu attack?a jutsu using senjutsu chakra.
what is senjutsu chakra?a special chakra that is made by combining physical+spiritual+natural energies in the right proportions unlike normal chakra that only combine physical+spiritual energy only.juugo adding some senjutsu chakra to an already existing jutsu just for that jutsu to be called a senjutsu doesn't make any sense,it can be called a ninjutsu infused with a layer of natural energy but never be called a senjutsu,same with naruto adding senjutsu chakra to minato's giant rasengan.

 

[grenwood]

Base logic:the base has no logic. I know maybe four people in the entire base that have logical minds and they all disagree with you.


Real world logic: life sucks we need obito to come over here and put us in an internal genjutsu where we can stop fighting and be happy.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Base logic:the base has no logic. I know maybe four people in the entire base that have logical minds and they all disagree with you.


Real world logic: life sucks we need obito to come over here and put us in an internal genjutsu where we can stop fighting and be happy.

Am I inside these four?

 

[grenwood]

Am I inside these four?

Definitely. The only people I know for sure that are active that I believe are smart and logical are you, rokudaime naruto and sir derp. Sir derp people seem to be disagreeing with just because his theories failed. He doesn't admit failure or that he gets any ideas from other people but his theories are some of the most logical I've seen given atvwhst he had to work with at the time. I've never disagreed with anything you or rokudaime said. And there used to be a lot more but they all only occasionally post in these sections anymore. I've forgotten their names becausetey I haven't seen them in so long. I'm not good with names.

Edit: maybe smart wasn't the right word to use. A lot of the people on the base probably dwarf me in intelligence. Logical is another issue. Actaully caring is another issue too. A lot of the people trol then expect you to take them seriously. There ar more people I agree with on thisnthread but I haven't seen their posts and names that much anywhere else to know what ithink about them.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Definitely. The only people I know for sure that are active that I believe are smart and logical are you, rokudaime naruto and sir derp. Sir derp people seem to be disagreeing with just because his theories failed. He doesn't admit failure or that he gets any ideas from other people but his theories are some of the most logical I've seen given atvwhst he had to work with at the time. I've never disagreed with anything you or rokudaime said. And there used to be a lot more but they all only occasionally post in these sections anymore. I've forgotten their names becausetey I haven't seen them in so long. I'm not good with names.

Edit: maybe smart wasn't the right word to use. A lot of the people on the base probably dwarf me in intelligence. Logical is another issue. Actaully caring is another issue too. A lot of the people trol then expect you to take them seriously. There ar more people I agree with on thisnthread but I haven't seen their posts and names that much anywhere else to know what ithink about them.

You're pretty active yourself and your thread never dissapointed me, they're quite the thing if you ask me.

And yes, there are some trolls out there... and some of them became friends with me lol

 

[Thorium]

And people on her think their OPINION trumps manga facts lmfao... r you serious?

SN: I'll expand on this later, I have to go do things in my real life lol

Watch out everyone, we got a badass over here.

PS: When you're finished doing the dishes for mommy, please do add more to your pro-Sasuke rant.

 

[Gaaraske]

And Naruto wouldn't be alive without Kurama

THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Gaaraske]

You people can't understand the relationship between naruto, kurama, and the rest of the shinobis. Naruto endured a lot, a lot for all his life only because he had kurama inside of him. He had a lot of psychological suffering, as we've seen how most people treated him because of the jinchuriki situation of his. He barely managed to get any friends, he didn't have parents. Can you imagine the pain he went through only because of kurama?

Nevertheless, naruto swallowed, fought all that suffering most part by himself. He tried a lot to make people acknowledge and accept him, and he succeded.

Then, there is the physical problems of having kurama's chakra. He had to hold his anger, control his feelings in a fight, because he couldn't use kurama's power or he could hurt his friends and himself. Part of his training was harder because of this.

Recently, he risked his life to try to control kurama's chakra, fighting the monster inside his mind. He had help, sure, but he did a lot all by himself. He succeded again. However, he was risking his life again by using all that chakra, but he used it anyway.
Then, he managed to become friends with kurama, he managed to defeat the monster's hatred(and kurama was all hatred). Not only that, but he managed to control perfectly kurama's chakra, as we saw what he did with it

Kurama's power is not naruto's, of course, the name itself says it, kurama's power. However, with everything naruto did, I'm pretty sure he deserves to have kurama's power considered his.
Sorry for the long post.

So with all that you said, you also should believe Itachi's eyes and Juugo's curse seal should be considered Sasuke's power as well right? He's suffered arguably more than Naruto, he witnessed his parents death by the hand of his brother, his entire childhood was a lie, etc

 

[Gaaraske]

You forgot the main feature of the Uzumaki clan members... chakra reserves and lifespan. Naruto is a chakra monster even without Kurama my friend. And Sasuke is a technique monster since he has high spiritual energy and low-mid chakra reserves.

You forgot to emphatize that Sasuke got OROCHIMARU's curse mark, ITACHI's extension to EMS, and JUUGO's Hermit Powers. Ergo, Sasuke is a prostitute or a call girl, since he depends on sugar daddies to get powerups and he doesn't even train to get mastery over these powerups. Naruto only got Kurama and Sage Mode, but at least Naruto trained hard to properly control them. Sasuke just cried XD.

The sugar daddy comment was funny lol ha, but false. You must have forgot the 3 year time skip where Sasuke trained with Orochimaru, when he trained with Kakashi for the chuunin exams, when he got on the job training by taking Akatski member down 1 by 1 (Deidara, Itachi), Jinchurriki's (Bee) and Kage's (Danzo)

 

[Mr Hiru]

So with all that you said, you also should believe Itachi's eyes and Juugo's curse seal should be considered Sasuke's power as well right? He's suffered arguably more than Naruto, he witnessed his parents death by the hand of his brother, his entire childhood was a lie, etc

Yeah yeah, Naruto has Sage Mode and Kyuubi chakra that couldn't master with proper training.

What did Sasuke to master curse mark, ems and the juugo's hermit power? Let me see......

Curse Mark: Cry because it hurts a lot

EMS: Cry because his beloved brother died

Juugo's Hermit Power: Cry because Juugo will due him in the *** later.

Yeah man, Sasuke 'suffered a lot', that's Sasuke-fanboys excuses for you people. 'Suffered'... And when did he train to master these powerups?

Naruto is in another league, Naruto trains hard! Sasuke just cries. The only thing Sasuke has really trained hard is his mastery over lightning element, but the powerups he gets... when did he train these?

Come on, the only thing he does is '****, he is stronger than me', then 'cry', and then adakadabra, alakazam... he has mastery over the powerup.

...

I have respect for the character, but when we state the facts, Sasuke has suffered, but his life has been quite easy compared to Naruto who was alone from the start.

 

[Gaaraske]

yes kurama isn't part of naruto's body yet he deserves his power more than what any uchiha would deserve getting MS,EMS rinnegan through the lame-ass power of love/hate thingy.
this cleared apart,why is it called an asspull?because simply what is senjutsu attack?a jutsu using senjutsu chakra.
what is senjutsu chakra?a special chakra that is made by combining physical+spiritual+natural energies in the right proportions unlike normal chakra that only combine physical+spiritual energy only.juugo adding some senjutsu chakra to an already existing jutsu just for that jutsu to be called a senjutsu doesn't make any sense,it can be called a ninjutsu infused with a layer of natural energy but never be called a senjutsu,same with naruto adding senjutsu chakra to minato's giant rasengan.

Why does it bother you what it's called? Just wondering?

 

[Gaaraske]

Watch out everyone, we got a badass over here.

PS: When you're finished doing the dishes for mommy, please do add more to your pro-Sasuke rant.

I think you attempted a joke there ^^^^^^.... Ummm i'll give you a second chance to try to make another... feel free to make it funny this time

 

[Mr Hiru]

Why does it bother you what it's called? Just wondering?

Sasuke didn't train to achieve control over Natural Energy... again another easy powerup for him, without proper training.

This is the reason a lot of people like me who likes the character gets dissappointed.

...do you remember what happened to Naruto when he didn't have full control over the Toad Sage Mode?

...do you remember how looked Sasuke last time he used Curse Mark? Did he get rid of every physical trait the Curse Mark caused in his body? If your answer is no, it is because Sasuke never mastered that lesser level of Senjutsu.

...do you remember Juugo's Clan members lose control when manipulating great amounts of natural energy as Juugo is doing right now?

Does it matter if Senjutsu is natural energy alone or spiritual+physical+natural energy? Yes, because Sasuke lacks physical energy being from the Elder Son's Bloodline, this is manga fact.

Kishimoto crossed the limits of proofs to make this possible, that's why a lot of people like me are complaining about chapter 648. I can't avoid to call this an asspull, UNLESS...

UNLESS... we assume that Juugo is balancing incredible amounts of Natural Energy with Kurama's Chakra to mantain stability on the Curse Mark. But if this is the case and Sasuke/Juugo runs out of Kurama's Chakra, they're screwed.