Base Logic vs. Real Life logic

[Gaaraske]

And yet they were at a loss on how to defeat him. Kakashi with his Sharingan eye was on the run towards the end of that fight. Not to mention that Kakuzu had a final form that he hadn't even used yet while fighting them. It was only after Naruto entered the battle and showed off his Rasenshuriken that Kakuzu decided to enter that form. Admittedly, Yamato had to keep Naruto from being impaled but that's all he did. Naruto specifically asked that the others let him handle Kakuzu, which he did with a powerful jutsu that even the 4th couldn't master.

Naruto trained to enter SM after Jiraiya died. He barely had time to recognize Kakashi's death upon his arrival on the battlefield. There were 6 Paths of Pain in total and Naruto defeated them all. Shall we count the ways? 1) an infuriated Naruto destroyed Pain's Asura Path with a Rasengan before it could attack Tsunade; 2) Naruto disposed of the Preta Path with Frog Kata before preparing the fruits of his senjutsu training: a perfected Rasenshuriken; 3) He hurled the attack at Pain's remaining bodies, and it expanded when it neared them, disintegrating the Human Path; 4) Realising that the Naraka Path had restored it, Naruto focused his efforts on getting rid of it by distracting the Deva Path with a smokescreen, and landing a great blow on the Naraka Path; 5) The Preta Path absorbed his chakra to make sure he was no longer a threat, but being unable to handle natural energy, the Preta Path turned into a frog statue, allowing Naruto to free himself; and 6) taking advantage of the five-second gap between its attacks, Naruto was finally able to defeat the Deva Path with his Rasengan and win the battle. You can find that all of that came from stated fact in the official Naruto wiki. At no point did he beg Kurama for power. Kurama tried to take control of Naruto through his angered emotions...something that was stopped by Minato as he replenished the seal. Also, Naruto defeated the final Pain with his Rasengan. There was no help from Kurama whatsoever.

I said "helped" because I recognize that Sasuke and Kakashi were the ones who were originally involved in the fight. However, Sasuke ended up being knocked unconscious by Haku's pressure point tactics. An angered Naruto is the one who got the upper hand on Haku while Kakashi is the one who killed him (accidentally mind you since he was aiming for Zabuza). Naruto is the one who ultimately convinced Zabuza to kill Gato and his minions. If you don't believe that then go back and rewatch that episode. Sakura didn't really do anything battle wise except for protect Tazuna.

Sasuke didn't really help defeat Gaara in my opinion. Yeah he pursued Gaara and initiated the fight but he was unable to handle the Sand Jinchuuriki. In fact, direct quote from the official Naruto wiki: "Naruto was put to sleep when the invasion began, but was awakened by Sakura so that they could go after Sasuke, who was pursuing Gaara in order to continue their fight. They caught up in time to stop Gaara from killing Sasuke." Note the bolded section.

Now to address your pain of loss argument. Real life example: I never knew my grandparents except for one. All the rest of my friends and family had a "complete" family meaning that they had 2 grandfathers and 2 grandmothers (one set on each side of the family tree). Do I miss my grandparents even though I never knew them? You better believe I do! It's the psychological pain of knowing that others have something you will NEVER be able to experience. Just because you've never had something doesn't mean that you can miss it, especially if you've had an inkling that it was once there. This is made worse if there are stories of these people. It only makes you miss them all the more. Plus, you keep forgetting that Naruto formed a bond with Sasuke which Sasuke subsequently broke in order to gain power. Naruto lost whom he considered a brother. That's pain of loss too.

Ok this is what i'm talking about. You highlight the fact the Naruto in essence saved Sasuke and Sakura from Gaara. But you convienetly fail to mention Sasuke saved Naruto from Haku the same way, causing him to be knocked out... that's why he was near death. As far as your grandparents I'm sorry for your loss, but I guess that one depends on the person. I too never met my grandfather who had passed before I was born. I don't miss him because I never knew him. Would I like to have met him? Of course, but since I never had him I don't feel a loss of losing someone, but that's just me I guess *shrugs*

 

[Gaaraske]

I kind of understand that, and that's the reason I feel annoyed because of chapter 648... it defies Narutoverse's logic. There are some possibilities that makes this asspull 'a not asspull' but they are too remote.

I would liked for Sasuke using Kirin (yeah, pure Natural Energy to damage that Obito bastard...). Kishimoto had the chance to put a spotlight just for Sasuke, he ruined it.

I don't necessarily agree with you but I respect your opinion

 

[KayaUzumaki]

Ok this is what i'm talking about. You highlight the fact the Naruto in essence saved Sasuke and Sakura from Gaara. But you convienetly fail to mention Sasuke saved Naruto from Haku the same way, causing him to be knocked out... that's why he was near death. As far as your grandparents I'm sorry for your loss, but I guess that one depends on the person. I too never met my grandfather who had passed before I was born. I don't miss him because I never knew him. Would I like to have met him? Of course, but since I never had him I don't feel a loss of losing someone, but that's just me I guess *shrugs*

No, I didn't mention it because the situations are slightly different. I acknowledge that Sasuke sprung into action to save Naruto. But the thing is that Haku never intended to kill them. Zabuza said as much to Naruto. Gaara, however, had every intention of killing them. My point in all that is that you cannot belittle Naruto's pain and triumphs in order to build up Sasuke. The facts don't support it.

 

[H a n]

Naruto vs Sasuke thread?

Naruto wins.

 

[Mr Hiru]

I don't necessarily agree with you but I respect your opinion

Mutual feeling bro. Your thread is equally respectable.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Whatever... whatever...whatever...
In the END,
Talented (sasuke) will always lose to a hardworking guy (Naruto)
:snick:

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

I've noticed on here if anyone other than naruto has a feat, powerup, or does something that makes naruto look bad it's an asspull. And people on her think their OPINION trumps manga facts lmfao... r you serious?

This is narutobase logic:


Kurama is a part of Naruto's power, but Sasuke has itachi's eyes and is now using Juugo curse seal to have senju powers which is a asspull.

Real world logic:

Kurama is in fact NOT a part of Naruto's power, he is a chakra monster with his own, name, personality, and motives... he is a LIVING BEING for crying out loud. Sasuke has eyes!!!! MF eyes lol they are indeed not alive. Kishi plans everything he first mentioned Juugo being from a clan who used Senju chakra about 100 chapters ago, this was not a ass pull. Juugo is like Sasuke's bodyguard sworn to protect him, by lending him chakra or w/e Sasuke needs just like Kurama saves Naruto time and time again by leaching him chakra his ENTIRE life.

SN: I'll expand on this later, I have to go do things in my real life lol

LOOOOOL this guy said real world logic.

 

[cmilius]

Op mentioned that juugo got senju power since when or should I ask do you even have sense. I have nothing against you but plz read the manga first before posting because there is a difference between senjutsu which is sage mode and senju blood which is a part of the senju clan.

 

[Sot6p]

No has actually has power.
Every single bit of it came from the God Tree, thus everything was stolen.

Sasuke's power doesn't belong to Sasuke and Naruto's power doesn't belong to Naruto. It's something Madara already mentioned, actually "This power doesn't belong to you." > He didn't say it was part of the Uchiha clan as well. He meant it was from the God Tree.

Though, if you actually insist that there's no Sasuke without the Uchiha blood, then people will also insist that there's no Naruto without Kurama.
Because their lives were shaped by those things.
We don't know how Naruto would be today without Kurama. And that's the thing, because there's no possible way to know that. You assume that he'd be just like himself, but without Kurama. That however, is flawed logic. He would be a completely different person.

Probably wouldn't be on Sasuke's level, but there's no way to tell whether he'd be good. Maybe he could be on Kakashi's level, I don't know.

So it's completely pointless to compare it to cannon. "He had Kurama's help to defeat that opponent..."
Well, had he not received Kurama upon birth, he probably would receive proper attention and better training before Kakashi. It's something to consider, since the boy grew so much in just five years.