Whether you believe or not

[Fodder#5]

From the Dark Spire, here is a helpful hint. If you double post, delete it. If you triple post, learn how to multi-quote.

On topic: I am surprised to see all the atheists on Narutobase, not that it is a bad thing. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no matter how one perceives and judges it. Our choices are usually based on our phenomenology of said subject; it is the human way. Anyways, I myself am a believer in God, but do not go to church. I am in no set religion, and I do have my doubts. I am scared to die. Just wondering if he isn't real gives me chills. Just nothing after I die...just a whole lot of nothing sounds creepy.

But you'll be dead so it doesn't matter right? This is my favorite quote on the subject: “Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”
― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

 

[FitzChivalry Farseer]

And God is? Who created disease? God. Why? To test our faith. Obviously someone that you would want to pray to.

Sure why not. I'm bored. And I find you amusing anyway. Anyone is better than Spire at this point

"God is?"
That was your first question and your two part second question was
"Who created disease? Why?"

Let me tell you that God is not an all loving benelovent force everyone believes him to be. He is a jealous wrathful god that also plays favorites. He will ask everything of your life just for him to give you your daily bread. He will allow people to suffer because of their lack of faith. He will destroy and burn down women and children for the sake of his chosen people. You have not scratched the surface of how wrathful God can truly be.

I told you that you wouldnt like the answer. Every slave wishes for their master to be kind but that in the end is wishful thinking.

 

[Fodder#5]

I'm not responding to the last part as my post is indifferent to any discussion of gods existence at the moment.

OT: Good and Evil are human constructs.

Good and Bad are principles. Without one, the other cannot exist.

Tingun. I like you. I really do. However I disagree with the whole ying and yang thing. Good and bad and simply perceptions. Someone will also think what they are doing is right or just. And the other side will always disagree. That is the essence of human nature

 

[Penguin]

But you'll be dead so it doesn't matter right? This is my favorite quote on the subject: “Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”
― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

I will be dead, but I really do not understand your question. I love that quote. About that quote, that is how I feel. I do believe in God, but I don't think of him as some others do. I guess I have my own version.

 

[Fodder#5]

"God is?"
That was your first question and your two part second question was
"Who created disease? Why?"

Let me tell you that God is not an all loving benelovent force everyone believes him to be. He is a jealous wrathful god that also plays favorites. He will ask everything of your life just for him to give you your daily bread. He will allow people to suffer because of their lack of faith. He will destroy and burn down women and children for the sake of his chosen people. You have not scratched the surface of how wrathful God can truly be.

I told you that you wouldnt like the answer. Every slave wishes for their master to be kind but that in the end is wishful thinking.

That's some old testament shit right there haha. Fortunately I have no master. I will live my life how I want and if I end up in hell, who says I have to stay there? Me and ole Lucifer will go for a 2nd round with the Almighty

 

[Fodder#5]

I will be dead, but I really do not understand your question. I love that quote. About that quote, that is how I feel. I do believe in God, but I don't think of him as some others do. I guess I have my own version.

Well you are afraid of the emptiness after death right? But you'll be dead, so you will never know what happens after that

 

[From the Dark Spire]

From the Dark Spire, here is a helpful hint. If you double post, delete it. If you triple post, learn how to multi-quote.

On topic: I am surprised to see all the atheists on Narutobase, not that it is a bad thing. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no matter how one perceives and judges it. Our choices are usually based on our phenomenology of said subject; it is the human way. Anyways, I myself am a believer in God, but do not go to church. I am in no set religion, and I do have my doubts. I am scared to die. Just wondering if he isn't real gives me chills. Just nothing after I die...just a whole lot of nothing sounds creepy.

Certainly, I know how to multi-quote. But it's just that every time I post, another 5 people at the least quickly reply to me, with another usual insult thrown into the mix is sent to me, and I'm always there to reply to that. It's a burden being famous.

Except no such cure existed back then. Tell you what. The burden of proof falls on you. You allow yourself to get possessed. Get an exorcism preformed on you. Document it. Put the film on NB. Along with the signatures of at least 3 priests and 3 scientists verifying that, yes this did happen to me, and I'll believe you. Until then you are talking out of your ass. And books that have special parts for you to color in don't count

I'm religiously protected and cannot get protected, so long as my spirit and my will is strong. Sorry, but you'll just have to listen to my words, which speak the truth.

You'd be surprised. Bacterial treatment is a fairly sophisticated technological advancement. Antibiotics is an infant compared to other scientific discoveries.


Of course not, since there is no medication for the absence of something. But we can prove that such behavior is characterized in famous psychological studies. It's amazing what a bit of chemicals, like steroids and adrenaline, can make a person do



Forgive me for trying to ask for proof that I've never gotten from speculation that is only referenced in Theological text and nothing from an observable universe. In short, I'm sorry for being an intellectual skeptic who wants to know the truth.



The way you use the word Atheist is alarming. I can tell the judging all the way from my computer screen.

Well, I'm pretty sure that people who are possessed by demons aren't taking steriods or adrenaline or any of those chemicals at that time. Now I'm not saying it's not possible, but going by our logical assumption (what you and I are talking about), it's just most likely a demon is possessing that person.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

But you'll be dead, so you will never know what happens after that

But I already explained that nothing happens with simple Biology

it's just most likely a demon is possessing that person.

I'll consider it when I see a peer-reviewed journal written on the possession and effects given by it. There is a reason pseudo-science is not accepted by anything other than Theology in our society. But then again, the likelihood of this being presented in a committee, let alone here, is staggeringly slim.

I'm religiously protected and cannot get protected

Very convenient testimony!

 

[Penguin]

Well you are afraid of the emptiness after death right? But you'll be dead, so you will never know what happens after that

Yes I am afraid, I just like living so much, I think death will be a bummer. I guess your right in a sense, but while someone is living and trying to answer these questions that cannot be answered, it is just irritating to say the least. I would just like to know what will happen, if I go to heaven, hell, or the cremator machine. It would bring me closure.

 

[FitzChivalry Farseer]

That's some old testament shit right there haha. Fortunately I have no master. I will live my life how I want and if I end up in hell, who says I have to stay there? Me and ole Lucifer will go for a 2nd round with the Almighty

It definately is old testament and if you read the bible correctly Jesus is no different. I have already accepted that God is my master and that his way is the truth because he has given me a way to live my life. Human nature is at its most free when its following gods judgement. However let me clue you in on a little secret that everyone just seems to not know. . . . . Theres no such thing as hell

 

[FreakensteinAG]

I think death will be a bummer.

You will get 8 minutes of extreme dream-like sequences due to your brain's constant pumping of DMT, then your sensory organs and mind will no longer receive stimulation, leaving no perceiving remaining. It's very brutal and harsh, but I'd rather stick to what actually happens than speculation myself Lol

 

[Penguin]

You will get 8 minutes of extreme dream-like sequences due to your brain's constant pumping of DMT, then your sensory organs and mind will no longer receive stimulation, leaving no perceiving remaining. It's very brutal and harsh, but I'd rather stick to what actually happens than speculation myself Lol

Too each his own. Again, I have my doubts, but also have my beliefs. Another thing is I have no idea why Atheists and Religious people argue. It is not like they will convert each other. Can't we all just get along? :|

 

[From the Dark Spire]

That's some old testament shit right there haha. Fortunately I have no master. I will live my life how I want and if I end up in hell, who says I have to stay there? Me and ole Lucifer will go for a 2nd round with the Almighty

Lol, Satan will have you cleaning his toe-nails with your mouth while you're burning in his pits... Why do people always think hell will be a lovely place to go to? It's called Hell for a reason.

 

[Tingun]

Tingun. I like you. I really do. However I disagree with the whole ying and yang thing. Good and bad and simply perceptions. Someone will also think what they are doing is right or just. And the other side will always disagree. That is the essence of human nature

I'm not talking about right and wrong or any form of human action. I am speaking of Good and Bad in the form of occurrence.

Ex:
If a sheep dies young it is bad for the sheep, the needed to live to reproduce. It is good for the farmer he wanted a sheep to eat and doesn't need to kill a healthy one. It is bad for the wolf, she doesn't have the weak sheep that she was going to eat that afternoon. (of course things are not as black and white as this, but are indeed black and white, as any areas of gray can be defined by specific identification. )

If we remove bad ( all bad occurrences) then only good would remain. But good cannot exist if there is not bad, as every occurrence would be defined under one singular property. We cannot comprehend such an anomaly as even if all bad was removed from the world, the idea of bad would remain.

So if there is only one type of occurrence, then all actions would positively affect other beings, systems, communities etc. This, though theoretically impossible would most likely leave a single finite and predestined action matching affect to effect, leaving little true choice to any sentient being, and in turn removing the purpose of sentience, or conscious existence.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Another thing is I have no idea why Atheists and Religious people argue. It is not like they will convert each other. Can't we all just get along?

I wish that was the case. Throughout this thread, I never insulted religion once. But I can't stand by while people say "this happens" and forces that belief on others when it's unsubstantiated. Then we've seen what happens when higher-learning facilities get trampled upon by religious officials, but I won't get into that, because it's always a sad ending

Satan will have you cleaning his toe-nails with your mouth while you're burning in his pits... Why do people always think hell will be a lovely place to go to? It's called Hell for a reason.

What happens when a masochist enters hell? I'm very curious.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

But I already explained that nothing happens with simple Biology



I'll consider it when I see a peer-reviewed journal written on the possession and effects given by it. There is a reason pseudo-science is not accepted by anything other than Theology in our society. But then again, the likelihood of this being presented in a committee, let alone here, is staggeringly slim.



Very convenient testimony!

Well if you want answers, you could always look it up, though it is a risk, that's why I didn't bother referencing the internet for it. I just know that there is spirits and that dumbass idiot laughing man doesn't know what he's talking about, saying there's no such thing as spirits. Our spirits, POWERS our bodies.

 

[FitzChivalry Farseer]

Lol, Satan will have you cleaning his toe-nails with your mouth while you're burning in his pits... Why do people always think hell will be a lovely place to go to? It's called Hell for a reason.

Aaaand this is where you and I disagree. Theres no such thing as hell nor an everlasting torment. Show me the verses in the bible. . . So that I can explain them to you

 

[Penguin]

I totally understand. People need to defend their beliefs.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

I just know that there is spirits and that dumbass idiot laughing man doesn't know what he's talking about, saying there's no such thing as spirits, Our spirits, POWERS our bodies.

I don't blame him, because we've gone through 117 replies without any proof being presented. This would never be allowed in a court of law, committee, or Congress! And you expect us to search it ourselves? You're the one who's alleging this happens! XD

But let me get real with you, man. No fight is won when the other side insults the other.

 

[Tingun]

I don't blame him, because we've gone through 117 replies without any proof being presented. This would never be allowed in a court of law, committee, or Congress! And you expect us to search it ourselves? You're the one who's alleging this happens! XD

But let me get real with you, man. No fight is won when the other side insults the other.

take 200 years and you would be hanged.

What happens when a masochist enters hell? I'm very curious.

lol

OT: This thread is funny AF.