Whether you believe or not

[From the Dark Spire]

Yeah we wouldn't want to pull you away from your remedial math homework now would we? There is no such thing as spirits. All of the evidence relies on eye witness accounts which are always wrong. You need to go back to school junior

Explain why exorcisms take place, my child.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

I see what u mean, but how are you gonna blame religion?

Because he's just another atheist who believe science is the answer to all questions.

 

[Fodder#5]

Explain why exorcisms take place, my child.

Because people are ****ing idiots. No demon posses someone. In the middle ages that behavior was caused by bacteria in the water supply which would affect the brain causing madness. Now people are so religious fanatical that they make shit like that up. Read a book. If you know how that is

 

[Fodder#5]

Because he's just another atheist who believe science is the answer to all questions.

And God is? Who created disease? God. Why? To test our faith. Obviously someone that you would want to pray to.

 

[HadouKage]

Because he's just another atheist who believe science is the answer to all questions.

I don't agree that science can explain everything but I understand what he means, I just don't think that religion is to blame for it

 

[FitzChivalry Farseer]

And God is? Who created disease? God. Why? To test our faith. Obviously someone that you would want to pray to.

You really would not like the answer to those questions. I do in fact have answers for you. Want me to share?

 

[FreakensteinAG]

I see what u mean, but how are you gonna blame religion?

Religion is what gave the people the okay to do it. That, and Bishops with a lot of power. Heck, it even impeded progress of knowledge on the fear that it may go against scripture. What if it was just suddenly...gone? The period in which Science was blockaded would no longer be there and millions upon millions of people would still be alive. The Jews would be the most populous religious demographic again. The time from which the Church persecuted scientists would be added to the present, giving us several hundred years of technological development.

science can't prove everything

What it cannot prove, we will find out in the future when more sophisticated technology is available. The best thing about scientists is that we are not afraid to say "I don't know."

This "cannot prove everything" does not mean demons, possessions, or deities have free reign, thinking it's okay now. Thinking so is permitting "The God of the Gaps" fallacy, a falsehood.

It may explain the EXISTENCE of supernatural happenings, but it can't take the FULL credit of the occurences.

This is a Strawman Fallacy. Never in the discussion did we assume that supernatural happenings existed--I saw you try to fit that one in there. Because there is no empirical evidence for the existence of this sort of happenings, we must assume that there is no proof of these happenings and that they must simply be poppycock.

Because he's just another atheist who believe science is the answer to all questions.

Do you know what the definition of Science is?

To know. It's a Latin name! Science literally defines the pursuit of knowledge. It's why we know so much. I wonder how much we would know if we weren't persecuted so much

I just don't think that religion is to blame for it

Not 100% mind you. I'm sorry if I allegedly fit that in. It's clear that there are good people in religion. This therefore suggests that Religion is only responsible for 51% of the reason wars occur. The other 49% percent is Human Psychology and Politics.

 

[Tingun]

And God is? Who created disease? God. Why? To test our faith. Obviously someone that you would want to pray to.

Without bad there cannot be good. Without good there cannot be choice, and without choice there is no reason for sentience.

 

[Fodder#5]

You really would not like the answer to those questions. I do in fact have answers for you. Want me to share?

Sure why not. I'm bored. And I find you amusing anyway. Anyone is better than Spire at this point

 

[NinjutsuSeeker]

death is not the end, but rather, another door to another point in your souls transgression to higher consciousness

 

[From the Dark Spire]

Because people are ****ing idiots. No demon posses someone. In the middle ages that behavior was caused by bacteria in the water supply which would affect the brain causing madness. Now people are so religious fanatical that they make shit like that up. Read a book. If you know how that is

Bacteria you say? Well that's definately not something you want infecting you, but I'm pretty sure that's not the reason for demon possessions my son... Also, I know it's hard to believe, but I actually DO know what a book is, thank you for reminding me of something I know, on top of my vast knowledge of many things as it is. It is nice to be reminded of my great intelligence.

Now if bacteria were to be contained in the body, something as simple as a cure, or medications could be taken for that. There is no medications for a demon taking over your body, making a person kill other people, granting that person unnatural strength, changing a person's voice, manipulating a person's limbs, and all sorts of eerie happenings that have been reported many, many times.

 

[Fodder#5]

Without bad there cannot be good. Without good there cannot be choice, and without choice there is no reason for sentience.

Good and bad and human constructs based on the morality of the society. What is good in one place may not be good in another. To say that a God, if he exists, is inherently good is ludicrous. If anything he would be an impartial observer. Perhaps even a bored entity that merely creates things to see how humans would react. Much like a scientist with mice

 

[From the Dark Spire]

death is not the end, but rather, another door to another point in your souls transgression to higher consciousness

None of these atheists will listen, That is pretty much what I've been trying to say.

 

[Penguin]

From the Dark Spire, here is a helpful hint. If you double post, delete it. If you triple post, learn how to multi-quote.

On topic: I am surprised to see all the atheists on Narutobase, not that it is a bad thing. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no matter how one perceives and judges it. Our choices are usually based on our phenomenology of said subject; it is the human way. Anyways, I myself am a believer in God, but do not go to church. I am in no set religion, and I do have my doubts. I am scared to die. Just wondering if he isn't real gives me chills. Just nothing after I die...just a whole lot of nothing sounds creepy.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

And God is? Who created disease? God. Why? To test our faith. Obviously someone that you would want to pray to.

God is, for your information, atheist, the supreme heavenly father of all things in nature. He is our creator, the one who decides if we live or die.

 

[Fodder#5]

Bacteria you say? Well that's definately not something you want infecting you, but I'm pretty sure that's not the reason for demon possessions my son... Also, I know it's hard to believe, but I actually DO know what a book is, thank you for reminding me of something I know, on top of my vast knowledge of many things as it is. It is nice to be reminded of my great intelligence.

Now if bacteria were to be contained in the body, something as simple as a cure, or medications could be taken for that. There is no medications for a demon taking over your body, making a person kill other people, granting that person unnatural strength, changing a person's voice, manipulating a person's limbs, and all sorts of eerie happenings that have been reported many, many times.

Except no such cure existed back then. Tell you what. The burden of proof falls on you. You allow yourself to get possessed. Get an exorcism preformed on you. Document it. Put the film on NB. Along with the signatures of at least 3 priests and 3 scientists verifying that, yes this did happen to me, and I'll believe you. Until then you are talking out of your ass. And books that have special parts for you to color in don't count

 

[Tingun]

Good and bad and human constructs based on the morality of the society. What is good in one place may not be good in another.

I'm not responding to the last part as my post is indifferent to any discussion of gods existence at the moment.

OT: Good and Evil are human constructs.

Good and Bad are principles. Without one, the other cannot exist.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Now if bacteria were to be contained in the body, something as simple as a cure, or medications could be taken for that

You'd be surprised. Bacterial treatment is a fairly sophisticated technological advancement. Antibiotics is an infant compared to other scientific discoveries.

There is no medications for a demon taking over your body, making a person kill other people, granting that person unnatural strength, changing a person's voice, manipulating a person's limbs, and all sorts of eerie happenings that have been reported many, many times.

Of course not, since there is no medication for the absence of something. But we can prove that such behavior is characterized in famous psychological studies. It's amazing what a bit of chemicals, like steroids and adrenaline, can make a person do

None of these atheists will listen, That is pretty much what I've been trying to say.

Forgive me for trying to ask for proof that I've never gotten from speculation that is only referenced in Theological text and nothing from an observable universe. In short, I'm sorry for being an intellectual skeptic who wants to know the truth.

God is, for your information, atheist, the supreme heavenly father of all things in nature. He is our creator, the one who decides if we live or die.

The way you use the word Atheist is alarming. I can tell the judging all the way from my computer screen.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

I don't agree that science can explain everything but I understand what he means, I just don't think that religion is to blame for it

It's not at all.. Science is NOT even to blame for it at all, it's just people in general to blame for misfortunes... People choose to challenge each other and influence their minds all the time. People cause wars.

 

[Penguin]

God is, for your information, atheist, the supreme heavenly father of all things in nature. He is our creator, the one who decides if we live or die.

Any time before the late 1800s, people used to bleed each other to get rid of disease. :|

Anti-biotics were invented in the late 1800s.