How far apart are Itachi and Minato battlewise now?

[Bogard]

Dusk crow genjutsu, followed by slitting his throat.

Shunshin blitz followed by slitting his throat

 

[Zexion~]

Once again, it was the original, or else he wouldn't have a crow inside his body. Itachi is the overrated one, inferior to Jiraya according to the manga, weak compared to Obito, could barely use 3MS techniques, yet people overrate his stamina and his abilities

Using Multiple Genjutsu, Tsukuyomi, Amertarasu for an extended amount of time, and 2 different levels of Susano'o all on his death bed Stamina is not as bad as everyone else says


That crow was part of Itachi's power A.KA chakra, and what do clones do when dispersed? Return chakra and experiences to the user ....

Pretty sure

 

[Owarij]

Shunshin blitz followed by slitting his throat

Susanno , Dusk crow genjutsu, slit throat.. Idk why i'm arguing this... i've argued this with you and uzumaki 500 times already, and it always ends the same...

But i'm bored for the while so we can do this one more time

 

[xcoyote]

BM Minato nukes him

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[Bogard]

Using Multiple Genjutsu, Tsukuyomi, Amertarasu for an extended amount of time, and 2 different levels of Susano'o all on his death bed Stamina is not as bad as everyone else says


That crow was part of Itachi's power A.KA chakra, and what do clones do when dispersed? Return chakra and experiences to the user ....

Pretty sure

Reason why when clones are destroyed, the original are killed right? Hell they don't even feel pain at all, and Itachi has been portrayed to have pissed poor stamina from databook only having 2.5(practically the lowest ratio), fatigued after using one tsukuyomi on Kakashi in part1, stopping his sharingan and puting his body to rest after Amaterasu. The number of MS techniques Itachi can use are limited to 3 or 4, and it's already established since the moment we got a confirmation that a Itachi with 30% of his chakra can't even use one MS technique

Susanno , Dusk crow genjutsu, slit throat.. Idk why i'm arguing this... i've argued this with you and uzumaki 500 times already, and it always ends the same...

But i'm bored for the while so we can do this one more time

Toad summons land scale destructive abilities, with sennin techniques all that making Itachi's Susanoo defense useless, rendering genjutsu useless through partner method. Itachi remove Susanoo, he gets shunshin blitz. On the other side, Minato's untouchable speed and clone speed via superior reaction speed, Shunshin and FTG, with FTG kunais limiting Itachi's fighting zone area more the time pass and we have Itachi dead sooner or later

 

[Owarij]

Reason why when clones are destroyed, the original are killed right? Hell they don't even feel pain at all, and Itachi has been portrayed to have pissed poor stamina from databook only having 2.5(practically the lowest ratio), fatigued after using one tsukuyomi on Kakashi in part1, stopping his sharingan and puting his body to rest after Amaterasu. The number of MS techniques Itachi can use are limited to 3 or 4, and it's already established since the moment we got a confirmation that a Itachi with 30% of his chakra can't even use one MS technique

Toad summons land scale destructive abilities, with sennin techniques all that making Itachi's Susanoo defense useless, rendering genjutsu useless through partner method. Itachi remove Susanoo, he gets shunshin blitz. On the other side, Minato's untouchable speed and clone speed via superior reaction speed, Shunshin and FTG, with FTG kunais limiting Itachi's fighting zone area more the time pass and we have Itachi dead sooner or later

Lmao in you dreams those things happen before Itachi uses a genjutsu that requires no eye contact or handseals

 

[TheEvilOne]

Dusk crow genjutsu, followed by slitting his throat.

Shunhsin blitz GG.
Even alive Minato defeats Itachi.

 

[Owarij]

Shunhsin blitz GG.
Even alive Minato defeats Itachi.

As I said, If you think Itachi can't either activate any skeletal form of susanno, or duskcrow before any shunshin, you're sorely mistaken

 

[TheEvilOne]

As I said, If you think Itachi can't either activate any skeletal form of susanno, or duskcrow before any shunshin, you're sorely mistaken

How can he do that when he can't even follow Minato's speed?
And even if he does that, Minato can keep continue blitzing him and dodging his attacks until Itachi runs out of chakra. ( ~ 5 minutes )

 

[pateuvasiliu]

As I said, If you think Itachi can't either activate any skeletal form of susanno, or duskcrow before any shunshin, you're sorely mistaken

Implying the genjutsu that worked on early part 2 naruto will do anything to Minato.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Implying the genjutsu that worked on early part 2 naruto will do anything to Minato.

Well Minato has no feats in genjutsu, but he is a Kage after all, so most likely he can counter it.

 

[Owarij]

Well Minato has no feats in genjutsu, but he is a Kage after all, so most likely he can counter it.

Poor poor speculation.. And since when does that matter?

Even if minato is caught in it for 2 seconds, 5 seconds.. which is unbelievably short considering Itachi's genjutsu SIMULATES reality, he first has to notice he's in one, THEN break it..

All the while Itachi has to only take 2 seconds to shunshin up and slit his throat?

People seriously don't understand how broken genjutsu is in this manga

 

[Bogard]

Lmao in you dreams those things happen before Itachi uses a genjutsu that requires no eye contact or handseals

There is no such a thing like genjutsu requiring no eye contact in Itachi's arsenal or if it was the case, he would have done it against Kabuto. The thing is, Itachi summoned crows, one of said crows was equipped with Shisui's sharingan. It's Shisui's Sharingan that caught Naruto in a genjutsu, with Itachi taking the opportunity to put said crow inside Naruto which helped him later

 

[Owarij]

There is no such a thing like genjutsu requiring no eye contact in Itachi's arsenal or if it was the case, he would have done it against Kabuto. The thing is, Itachi summoned crows, one of said crows was equipped with Shisui's sharingan. It's Shisui's Sharingan that caught Naruto in a genjutsu, with Itachi taking the opportunity to put said crow inside Naruto which helped him later

We've been through this, the crows were Naruto already in the genjutsu, there were no, literally no signs of feathers on the ground ... unlike when Itachi ACTUALLY uses crows...

 

[Blaze Release]

You guys should just create a 2 vs 2 thread where each fans go at each other.
As i said, kcm or bm minato are only forms to keep him relevant, but as a fan pleaser, kishi at the end of the day is a businessman. A temporary power that he has only in his edo state isn't too much concerning. He should make it rain bijuu dama or chakra arms for what is worth.

Lmfao at minato's shunshin blitz though. Unless minato's shunshin is equivalent or superior to v2 ai which it isn't as at best he equal's v1 ai, a speed that sasuke has managed to contend with, we can surely assume the same for itachi, minato isn't blitzing shit in base.

Tbh im not too sure what this genjutsu clone thing is about especially conerning itachi so ill just upload a quote.

Its true clones are a counter for genjutsu, but it isn't fool proof.
We already know what side effects of clones so im not going to explain that. Kakashi used clones, however he used them in injunction with naruto's help[

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]. In a 1 vs 1 fight, splitting your chakra just to counter a portion of a shinobi's arsenal isn't a great strategy though Tobirama by hype and feats has a fair bit of reserve.

Finally there is a misconception which goes along the lines of "Genjutsu doesn't affect clones". That is false as we have seen Genjutsu affect Kakashi clone. However the reason its a counter is that, it doesn;t affect the original, that is why clones are not only a counter to genjutsu but any form of attack as it doesn't directly affect the original.

However one massive thing people forget with the clones strategy is that it was used by kakashi. A shinobi who after naruto has the best bunshin usage ever. He used it in a unique way to outsmart itachi

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Kakashi concealed himself with a doton and used a kage bunshin to act like the real self, while the original hide in the hole. Anyway shinobi who creates a kage bunshin in front of itachi, wouldn't fool him because its no shit, you have created a bunshin. You would have to come up with something of kakashi's calibre to outsmart and bait him out to use tsukuyomi or some sort on a bunshin otherwise if you just create a bunshin in front of him, he is no fool to recklessly use tsukuyomi.


Finally this itachi will fall for the same trick twice is a farce. Itachi has been shown to one of the most intelligent characters in the series and id like to think the same trick doesn;t work on him twice. He managed to disperse naruto's clone and recognise and maintain genjutsu with the original.

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We know from the manga itachi's level is as he said himself
Jman > Itachi + Kisame

everything other than that, it's either bullshit from his fans/wankers, or a hater to the other side.

Minato's level is too far from itachi even without Kurama's chakra, and even in the manga it's stated that
the Hokages are the strongest edo.

Minato also showed that

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he warped Sasuke out of his Susanoo

and here

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even IF the Amaterasu hit him, he can use FTG and it will be useless.

Alive Minato >>> Edo Itachi
KCM Minato >>>>>> Edo Itachi
BM Minato >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Edo Itachi.

I loll'ed from start to finish, true story.
You should post often. I come nb for the lolz tbh

 

[Bogard]

We've been through this, the crows were Naruto already in the genjutsu, there were no, literally no signs of feathers on the ground ... unlike when Itachi ACTUALLY uses crows...

You do have a point here, but summoning crows doesn't automatically mean we would see them each time they are. I personally find it more logical this way, but i guess it's just a difference in opinion

You guys should just create a 2 vs 2 thread where each fans go at each other.
As i said, kcm or bm minato are only forms to keep him relevant, but as a fan pleaser, kishi at the end of the day is a businessman. A temporary power that he has only in his edo state isn't too much concerning. He should make it rain bijuu dama or chakra arms for what is worth.

Nice proposition, but concerning Minato's development, it's more like Kishi nerfed Minato for some reasons

1- Minato charged to create an opening for Naruto and Sasuke, having in his mind that since he is a edo, he can take advantage of his body without caring, something that Sasuke even explained before
2- Minato didn't know Obito could kill even Edos with his Onmyoudon however, which led to Obito ripping off his arm and handicaping him for the rest of the fight. Had he know Obito could do such a thing, he would have been more careful like he stated himself later after Tobirama's explanation
3- A nerfed Minato without an arm means he can't use most of his ninjutsu techniques from kage bunshin, space time barrier to summoning jutsu by going through his sealing techniques like Shiki fujin or Shishou fuin all requiring handseals(maybe even his Rasen chourinbu kousan shiki as well as other possible unknown techniques)
4- We quickly saw an example on how Minato got nerfed minutes later when facing Obito's Tailed beast bomb attacks where he stated that in his state(having only one arm), he could only teleport one and thus implying that had he got his both arms, he may have been able to handle the situation

So Minato got nerfed in this battle and now we know the reason why

Lmfao at minato's shunshin blitz though. Unless minato's shunshin is equivalent or superior to v2 ai which it isn't as at best he equal's v1 ai, a speed that sasuke has managed to contend with, we can surely assume the same for itachi, minato isn't blitzing shit in base.

Itachi despite not wanting Sasuke to follow him couldn't distance him. Minato didn't only left him in the dust, but had time to go in some other locations to put markings, come and save entire alliance, have a chat with Naruto and Sasuke, and when other hokages came, put them in position and form a barrier all that before Sasuke actually came. Tobirama was probably the fastest in his era judging by the fact he was surprised Minato surpassed him in speed, meaning he isn't used to be surpassed in the category. There is clearly a great gap in their speed comparison

 

[Universal Enlightenment]

Reasons why paralleled features you mentioned are irrelevant

1- The context are different like i've stated. In Itachi's case, Naruto for example was only there for a talk. Itachi on the other side was controlled by Kabuto, being controlled by Kabuto wanting Jinchurikis that badly, he was obviously going all out. In Minato's case, A and Bee were forcefully trying to defeat him.

Minato was also trying to defeat his opponents at first, before starting taking a liking on them and refusing to fight a fight where he already got the advantage(see previous post about their confrontation). Minato only counter-attacked later because A didn't want to let him go and proceeded to want to threaten them instead of fighting seriously(i already explained all that in my previous post). These are the reasons that the element of comparison you gave between the 2fights are irrelevant because not only the contexts are totally different, but the mindset as well


Like i've said, the reason why i didn't want to show more is because i don't want to turn this thread into a hype thread or ridiculous claims not even taking into consideration the context like what Fizz mentioned would happen. Or even unexisting hype only to favourite his favourite like the one you mentioned concerning Tobirama for example. Can you tell me where he hyped him?

Itachi is intelligent? That's fine, but intelligence hype has practically no value to determine who is the stronger of the 2. I'd rather prefer a strenght comparison hype. Minato is also known to be a genius never seen before according to Jiraya for example(so including Itachi), but it's not the determine factor in a fight. These are the reasons why i believe using it has no importance in this thread as well. I could talk you about people like Jiraya, A or Kakashi who all claimed he was unsurpassable, Kishimoto himself claiming he had an unrivalled strength and so on, but like i've said, turning it into a hype thread? I don't see the thread

A page where Bee is landing a hit on Itachi? There is none and you know it as well, but because he didn't land a hit on him, doesn't change the fact he was dominating him, reason why noticing how pushed back he was, he was intelligent enough to flee and hide away from him by jumping over Nagato's summon. It simply means fighting smartly. There is no reason to continue a fight where you see your inferiority in a category

Are you talking about the same Itachi who was trying to get caught? He even told Killer B he was behind him while battling that's the feature of skills of the person you cant take that away. If you can't hit whats in front of you how are you considered winning lol as were Itachi had Samehada crying/yelling , put B in a genjutsu, and hit him with a ninjutsu talking about its hot yeah thats winning to me lol

 

[Owarij]

You do have a point here, but summoning crows doesn't automatically mean we would see them each time they are. I personally find it more logical this way, but i guess it's just a difference in opinion

Lol its not about what's logical, we're not speculating here, we're using facts and what ever was presented by Kishi....Itachi Uses crows, in reality and genjutsu.. Kishi always shows specific things so reader can tell the difference between the two


The way that encounter went... Naruto was talking big about knowing how to not get caught in sharingan genjutsu...

Itachi tell him that he's ALREADY in the genjutsu and shows him it by releasing crows (his signature for genjutsu) , and changing the background

It wasn't him using the genjutsu, it was him showing naruto that he was already in one, and only wanted to talk..

 

[The ProphecY]

The subject is how far apart are Itachi and Minato battlewise now?
BM Minato is way above any forms of Itachi. He now befriended his tailed-beast, possesses TBB, giant Rasaengan, KB, chakra cloak, summonings, STB & FTG. There are so many ways for him to hit Itachi than the other way around.

Also, Itachi's hype is nothing compared to Minato...
Savior
Child of Prophecy
Unrivaled Strength
1 of Strongest Edo
& became 4th Hokage who was said to be the Strongest Shinobi in the village...

 

[Prince Charles]

Lol its not about what's logical, we're not speculating here, we're using facts and what ever was presented by Kishi....Itachi Uses crows, in reality and genjutsu.. Kishi always shows specific things so reader can tell the difference between the two


The way that encounter went... Naruto was talking big about knowing how to not get caught in sharingan genjutsu...

Itachi tell him that he's ALREADY in the genjutsu and shows him it by releasing crows (his signature for genjutsu) , and changing the background

It wasn't him using the genjutsu, it was him showing naruto that he was already in one, and only wanted to talk..

Owarij can you elaborate more on this itachi confrontation with naruto where he one shotted those 2 clones? Whats this talk of using real clones and naruto already being in the genjutsu?

And im not trying to debate but im actually interested in what your saying.