How far apart are Itachi and Minato battlewise now?

[Blaze Release]

Nice proposition, but concerning Minato's development, it's more like Kishi nerfed Minato for some reasons

1- Minato charged to create an opening for Naruto and Sasuke, having in his mind that since he is a edo, he can take advantage of his body without caring, something that Sasuke even explained before
2- Minato didn't know Obito could kill even Edos with his Onmyoudon however, which led to Obito ripping off his arm and handicaping him for the rest of the fight. Had he know Obito could do such a thing, he would have been more careful like he stated himself later after Tobirama's explanation
3- A nerfed Minato without an arm means he can't use most of his ninjutsu techniques from kage bunshin, space time barrier to summoning jutsu by going through his sealing techniques like Shiki fujin or Shishou fuin all requiring handseals(maybe even his Rasen chourinbu kousan shiki as well as other possible unknown techniques)
4- We quickly saw an example on how Minato got nerfed minutes later when facing Obito's Tailed beast bomb attacks where he stated that in his state(having only one arm), he could only teleport one and thus implying that had he got his both arms, he may have been able to handle the situation

So Minato got nerfed in this battle and now we know the reason why

Im not going too long with this section of your post as its but your opinions. Perhaps you overestimated minato and now witnessing that, he isn't what you thought. Perhaps the author knows his limitations more than you?. Also they are facing a shinobi that is stronger than hashi/mads so its showing, but no kishi nerfing minato isn't true, not with half of kurama and now bm mode, but as i said im not going into that.

Itachi despite not wanting Sasuke to follow him couldn't distance him. Minato didn't only left him in the dust, but had time to go in some other locations to put markings, come and save entire alliance, have a chat with Naruto and Sasuke, and when other hokages came, put them in position and form a barrier all that before Sasuke actually came. Tobirama was probably the fastest in his era judging by the fact he was surprised Minato surpassed him in speed, meaning he isn't used to be surpassed in the category. There is clearly a great gap in their speed comparison

Not quiet. There is in battle speed (shunshin) and there is normal running speed that shinobi's use to get from one place to another outside of battle. Example during the gaara rescue arc, out of team kakashi, kakashi had the greatest shunshin, however he was using normal out of battle speed, same with team gai who has the fastest shunshin on his team, however outside of battle they were just using normal speed.

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Same way Ai was jumping through brunches, no shunshin was used on his part.

Shinobi wanting to get from one place to another do not use their in battle speed, but rather are in normal speed mood. There are numerous links of shinobi's jumping from brunch to branch without any speed feat, there are in normal mode

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That is the normal running speed of shinobi's outside of battle. No shunshin was used, same ith the itachi/sasuke scenario, neither were using shunshin but rather jumping through brunches

In the minato/hokage instance due to the immediate danger the hokage's used their shunshin, (battle speed) to get there and minato got there with his shunshin before everybody.

Another immediate danger arise when naruto due to the abilities of sennin modo used its effect to quickly get to sasuke.

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Naruto was using his in battle speed in sm to get there as quick as possible.

What you have done is tried to compare minato who is using shunshin along with the hokage's to the normal running speed of shinobi's who are not using shunshin but rather jumping from one brunch to another.

Secondly lets assume for this case, itachi was using shunsin to get away from sasuke and still couldn't get rid of him, that means nothing. You are i think proposing that because minato used shunshin to get away from the hokage's that means they cannot cope with his shunshin in a fight, which is false.

Example. A foot race, between v1 Ei and Sasuke. From konoha to Kumo.
V1 Ei will beat sasuke in a foot race, but its canon that sasuke in a fight can hold his own agains't v1 Ei.

Samething with madara and v2 ei. Madara was doing fairly well agains't v2 EI in a fight, but in a foot race v2 will beat him.

Or in this minato/hokage's instance. Yh his footspeed is the greatest, however in a fight either tobirama or hashirama can cope with his base speed. Sm hashirama has sensing abilities of sm to cope and so does tobirama.

You just said something along the lines of shinobi's with lesser foot speed (confusing shunshin with normal running speed along the way, jumping from brunch to brunch) cannot cope in fight agains't shinobi's with greater footspeed, forgetting that there is footspeed and there is reaction speed which can be boosted with either the sharingan or sensing or other forms.

Again base minato's speed isn't above v2 Ei to blitz itachi in a fight, lol

 

[EZQ]

Itachi wank is over 9000 (vegeta face with that power detection thing in his eye)

 

[Prince Charles]

Itachi can take living Minato for the most part honestly.

 

[Bogard]

Im not going too long with this section of your post as its but your opinions. Perhaps you overestimated minato and now witnessing that, he isn't what you thought. Perhaps the author knows his limitations more than you?. Also they are facing a shinobi that is stronger than hashi/mads so its showing, but no kishi nerfing minato isn't true, not with half of kurama and now bm mode, but as i said im not going into that.

You can't be serious if you really believe a one-armed Minato is the same as a Minato using both his arms even after making a compilation of his restricted moves in this scenario. I'd really like to see a shinobi like even Hashirama fighting a stronger much more stronger than him with one of his hands restricted, especially when talking about a man whose handseals are crucial for his fighting style like him. It's not about overrating or underrating a character, it's just about a common knowledge, a mangafact. There was no reason for Kishi to remove one of Minato's hands while facing such an opponent if it could have change nothing, isn't it? Why did he remove Minato's arm? It's that, that you call nerfing a character

You talk about Kyubi's chakra? Until lately, everything he did, he could have done it in base. So far the only advantage Kyubi's chakra could possibly have given him is more chakra(well until BM in this chapter), but it had no real impact so far since like i've said, everything he did, he could have done it in base. Infact, he even warped a Jubi size Bijudama that the entire alliance and second Biju included couldn't handle in base and it's a lot beyond everything he did so far even with Kyubi's chakra in terms of warping scale

In the minato/hokage instance due to the immediate danger the hokage's used their shunshin, (battle speed) to get there and minato got there with his shunshin before everybody.

You said it yourself. Minato/Hokage ran to the battlefield because of immediate danger, but what is funny is that you forget to mention Itachi was in a similar situation. He was running as fast as he could because the shinobi world was in danger because of Kabuto(through his edos). He even told Sasuke multiple time that he had no time to waste. Yet he didn't manage to outspeed him one bit, when Minato blitzed him so badly it's not even funny. There is a indirectly comparison in speed between the 2 and the gap is there between the 2. I'm not gonna argue concerning the difference between A's and Minato's speed, since i believe you already know what i think about it, but it depends on you to go against the manga or not

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Itachi can take living Minato for the most part honestly.

lolno.

Not a chance.

 

[Prince Charles]

lolno.

Not a chance.

Meh your inclined to your opinion but I have reason to believe Itachi can take him.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Meh your inclined to your opinion but I have reason to believe Itachi can take him.

Which is what, exactly?

Dusk crow genjutsu?

Spoiler

lol

 

[Blaze Release]

You can't be serious if you really believe a one-armed Minato is the same as a Minato using both his arms even after making a compilation of his restricted moves in this scenario. I'd really like to see a shinobi like even Hashirama fighting a stronger much more stronger than him with one of his hands restricted, especially when talking about a man whose handseals are crucial for his fighting style like him. It's not about overrating or underrating a character, it's just about a common knowledge, a mangafact. There was no reason for Kishi to remove one of Minato's hands while facing such an opponent if it could have change nothing, isn't it? Why did he remove Minato's arm? It's that, that you call nerfing a character

You talk about Kyubi's chakra? Until lately, everything he did, he could have done it in base. So far the only advantage Kyubi's chakra could possibly have given him is more chakra(well until BM in this chapter), but it had no real impact so far since like i've said, everything he did, he could have done it in base. Infact, he even warped a Jubi size Bijudama that the entire alliance and second Biju included couldn't handle in base and it's a lot beyond everything he did so far even with Kyubi's chakra in terms of warping scale

I didn't read most of that for the most part because its redundant. I could also in turn say something similar with as due to itachi's stance, has never been put in a situation where he has to kill. Even in his final fight agains't kabuto i though we would finally see itachi decide to put his opponent in his box and look what happened, at least we have seen minato killing intent, but again that whole section moot.

You said it yourself. Minato/Hokage ran to the battlefield because of immediate danger, but what is funny is that you forget to mention Itachi was in a similar situation. He was running as fast as he could because the shinobi world was in danger because of Kabuto(through his edos). He even told Sasuke multiple time that he had no time to waste. Yet he didn't manage to outspeed him one bit, when Minato blitzed him so badly it's not even funny. There is a indirectly comparison in speed between the 2 and the gap is there between the 2. I'm not gonna argue concerning the difference between A's and Minato's speed, since i believe you already know what i think about it, but it depends on you to go against the manga or not

Again there is shunshin and there is shinobi's jumping throw trees. No where ever does it hint or state that both itachi and sasuke were using shunshin, ever. Its as obvious as day that, they like all those other links that we have seen shinobi's jumping through trees it was merely the average speed a shinobi uses. No shunshin was used from the very start of itachi's journey to the end. Yes he might have picked up the speed in which he jumped from tree to tree, but it was never shunshin

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As i said even if we are to assume (a big assumption) that both were using shunshin through the trees, that is still a moot point.

V1 Ei will blitz sasuke in a foot speed.
In battle, he can cope because he has the reaction time and has has shown to cope.

Unless you mean minato will blitz itachi in a foot speed race he isn't blitzing him in base to take his head off or some ish like that. Itachi holds a 5 for reaction time. Minato isn't blitzing shit and beheading itachi in base

Anybody who understand the manga will laugh when told minato's shunshin > v2 Ei raiton boosted shunshin. Im not the type to try and get away with certain things with. I will on occasions not bother replying back, but that is because i do not believe i need to or cannot be asked, but that doesn't mean bs has gotten past me

 

[Bogard]

I didn't read most of that for the most part because its redundant. I could also in turn say something similar with as due to itachi's stance, has never been put in a situation where he has to kill. Even in his final fight agains't kabuto i though we would finally see itachi decide to put his opponent in his box and look what happened, at least we have seen minato killing intent, but again that whole section moot.

The only purpose of my post was to show how Minato got nerfed. I didn't really want to create a comparison with Itachi in the matter, but since we're talking about it, Itachi went for the kill against Nagato(while having 2Perfect Jinchurikis as partners), and although he indeed wasn't going for the kill against Kabuto, he was still fighting seriously in a 2vs1 configuration. Same can be said concerning Minato who although fighting seriously against Obito with partners by his side, he still cares about his opponent.

He cares too much about Obito U_U

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"I wanted you to become Hokage. Why.."

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"Stop Obito, that's enough"

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"Obito didn't you want to become Hokage. Why are you doing this?"

You're not his father, nor are you responsible of his actions. He is bad now, so get over it and stop fooling around U_U

Funny when you are fighting a guy endangering the world Lol

Again there is shunshin and there is shinobi's jumping throw trees. No where ever does it hint or state that both itachi and sasuke were using shunshin, ever. Its as obvious as day that, they like all those other links that we have seen shinobi's jumping through trees it was merely the average speed a shinobi uses. No shunshin was used from the very start of itachi's journey to the end. Yes he might have picked up the speed in which he jumped from tree to tree, but it was never shunshin

So are you saying a Itachi who was trying his best to reach Kabuto as fast as possible didn't think about using Shunshin? Or maybe it's his shunshin which isn't that great? If he really intended to reach him as fast as possible, he did use all what he could to reach him shunshin included

Unless you mean minato will blitz itachi in a foot speed race he isn't blitzing him in base to take his head off or some ish like that. Itachi holds a 5 for reaction time. Minato isn't blitzing shit and beheading itachi in base

Anybody who understand the manga will laugh when told minato's shunshin > v2 Ei raiton boosted shunshin. Im not the type to try and get away with certain things with. I will on occasions not bother replying back, but that is because i do not believe i need to or cannot be asked, but that doesn't mean bs has gotten past me

I already gave my reasons why Minato's reaction speed are above A even in V2, and it's supported by A himself on the matter:

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So yes i do believe Base Minato's shunshin is enough to blitz Itachi. We talk about a shunshin that left Hokages in the dust, a shunshin that left Kyubi in the dust from outskirt of the village, a shunshin so fast Obito saw a yellow flash, a shunshin so fast that even Kyubi's large hand didn't even touch Kushina despite Minato not being there from the start and had time to go kilometers away, Bee compared his shunshin to Naruto's, we talk about a shunshin that Kakashi compared to Naruto's and so on

 

[Blaze Release]

The only purpose of my post was to show how Minato got nerfed. I didn't really want to create a comparison with Itachi in the matter, but since we're talking about it, Itachi went for the kill against Nagato(while having 2Perfect Jinchurikis as partners), and although he indeed wasn't going for the kill against Kabuto, he was still fighting seriously in a 2vs1 configuration. Same can be said concerning Minato who although fighting seriously against Obito with partners by his side, he still cares about his opponent.

He cares too much about Obito U_U

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"Stop Obito, that's enough"

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, yet deeply stll caring about him

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"Obito didn't you want to become Hokage. Why are you doing this?"

You're not his father, nor are you responsible of his actions. He is bad now, so get over it and stop fooling around U_U

Moot point so ill evade. Minato can go for the kill if he wants to, he still cannot beat current obito even if he wanted to. Has nothing to do with kishi nerfing him and everything to do with current obito being in a totally different league to even hash/mads

Funny when you are fighting a guy endangering the world Lol
So are you saying a Itachi who was trying his best to reach Kabuto as fast as possible didn't think about using Shunshin? Or maybe it's his shunshin which isn't that great? If he really intended to reach him as fast as possible, he did use all what he could to reach him shunshin included

Again there is shunshin speed and there is jumping through trees speed. Yes he might have increased his speed, however that would be the speed in which he jumps and not using shunshin. Honesty how anybody would think itach iwas using shunshin is beyond me

I already gave my reasons why Minato's reaction speed are above A even in V2, and it's supported by A himself on the matter:

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So yes i do believe Base Minato's shunshin is enough to blitz Itachi. We talk about a shunshin that left Hokages in the dust, a shunshin that left Kyubi in the dust from outskirt of the village, a shunshin so fast Obito saw a yellow flash, a shunshin so fast that even Kyubi's large hand didn't even touch Kushina despite Minato not being there from the start and had time to go kilometers away, Bee compared his shunshin to Naruto's, we talk about a shunshin that Kakashi compared to Naruto's and so on

Please, on the occasions that they have met its been minato's hiraishin vs ei raiton. Hiraishin is considered speed in the manga, something that Ei was talking about as that is what minato got his alias for, due to the jutsu. Anyway im done here. But no, you might try and convince others that minato's base speed > v2 Ei, however im not one of them