who would win the 1st or the 4th

[SAKumono26]

@Fei
here is what i have found:
"Shodaime and Nidaime were actually brothers! Sixty years ago, Shodaime led a group of shinobi to this lush forestland and found the Hidden Leaf Village. Unfortunately during that chaotic era, he passed away shortly after the creation of the village. Nidaime inherited his older brother's will and was responsible for the creation of the ninja academy and others organizations within the village. The great ninja war broke out afterwards; in his dying moment, Nidaime instructed the future generation to pacify the war and ensure the village's prosperity."

killed in battle?? anyway the quote above seems fictitious to me. i will tell why later when i have time. FYI DB is not considered canon, its secondary and sometimes has contradictory stuff. bizarre stat. sometimes kishi writes stuff just for the sake of writing and fun. for example he wrote in DB 3, pain had all those piercings just to feel more pain.

Pain: "I wanted coolness and danger"
"He's Akatsuki's leader, so he has to look cool at least to a certain extent, but I also wanted him to look dangerous. Since his name is "Pain", I decided to put some piercings on his body. Kind of like a person who gives pain to himself".

DB is not to be taken seriously. only manga is considered canon.

lol creepy about the pain part and kinda spoiler
i have lodt all that i belvid in

 

[Fei]

@Fei
here is what i have found:
"Shodaime and Nidaime were actually brothers! Sixty years ago, Shodaime led a group of shinobi to this lush forestland and found the Hidden Leaf Village. Unfortunately during that chaotic era, he passed away shortly after the creation of the village. Nidaime inherited his older brother's will and was responsible for the creation of the ninja academy and others organizations within the village. The great ninja war broke out afterwards; in his dying moment, Nidaime instructed the future generation to pacify the war and ensure the village's prosperity."

killed in battle?? anyway the quote above seems fictitious to me. i will tell why later when i have time. FYI DB is not considered canon, its secondary and sometimes has contradictory stuff. bizarre stat. sometimes kishi writes stuff just for the sake of writing and fun. for example he wrote in DB 3, pain had all those piercings just to feel more pain.

Pain: "I wanted coolness and danger"
"He's Akatsuki's leader, so he has to look cool at least to a certain extent, but I also wanted him to look dangerous. Since his name is "Pain", I decided to put some piercings on his body. Kind of like a person who gives pain to himself".

DB is not to be taken seriously. only manga is considered canon.

If Kishi wrote it, it's canon. He wrote the DB's. They are canon, and give background into the manga. Saying something Kishi wrote is'nt canon is stupid. If it was'nt, he would not have wrote it. Also, you can take how he died several ways, he died after that war broke out, I doubt it was sitting at home, seeing how he was pretty young, as was the 1st, at death and Also check DB #2, it has something in it if I remember correctly.


As for the Pein thing, AGAIN, he obviously is NOT going to give out spoilers to the manga and tell what the piercings are....what the point be in the current chapters if we already knew?

 

[6th hokage]

i cant believe i am dragging on this stupid and petty discussion this far. i hope this is my last post in this thread. since u missed my point, i will try one more time.

I would have to say the 4th, seeing how the 1st ( as well as the 2nd) died in a simple battle during the war. They both went out like chumps while the 3rd and 4th went out protecting the village.

bijuuu smijuu...fact is him and his brother got taken out by some no name ninjas in a meaningless fight. 0_o

Where was the bijuu he had at when he got pwned by a bunch of chuunin Where was that super wood jutsu out then hmm!!!!

It come from one of the data books Kishi wrote.


No dying in a war is not stupid, but the fact is, if they was all powerful they would'nt have died so easily on the front lines. It means some lucky ninja got a lucky shot in and defeated the great Hokages.

now the DB stuff (although not sure abt its authenticity):
"Shodaime and Nidaime were actually brothers! Sixty years ago, Shodaime led a group of shinobi to this lush forestland and found the Hidden Leaf Village. Unfortunately during that chaotic era, he passed away shortly after the creation of the village. Nidaime inherited his older brother's will and was responsible for the creation of the ninja academy and others organizations within the village. The great ninja war broke out afterwards; in his dying moment, Nidaime instructed the future generation to pacify the war and ensure the village's prosperity."

u derive all ur points from just the quote above?? u have got a lot of imagination, i have to say. anyway, my point is when u give argument u shud base it on FACTS, not on some poorly made up imaginary stuff. otherwise not only it pisses off others who are aware of stuff but it can also mislead ppl who have less info. besides, even if he died in a battle which obviously we donno, u cant derive all that is in ur post, just from this.

Now, the 2nd part. abt DB canon or not canon.

If Kishi wrote it, it's canon. He wrote the DB's. They are canon, and give background into the manga. Saying something Kishi wrote is'nt canon is stupid. If it was'nt, he would not have wrote it.

As for the Pein thing, AGAIN, he obviously is NOT going to give out spoilers to the manga and tell what the piercings are....what the point be in the current chapters if we already knew?

i am not surprised u wont get my argument judging on ur previous posts in this thread. i know DB is written by kishi, i am not a troll. what i said is the content of DB isnt always canon. sometimes he writes sth, just for fun (chk my prev post, thats what i said). he even drew konan in swimsuit (or something close to it - cudnt find the right word). now i know he wudnt reveal what are those piercings for in advance and it doesnt take an einstein to understand this, but according to ur logic(the highlighted part) since kishi did write it in DB, it is canon,and it wud be stupid if we dont believe in it. "if it wasnt true, he wudnt have written it" - right? now from manga we know the actual reason behind piercing and here goes the classic example of DB sometimes contradicts with manga, therefore its not always canon(its content)

PS. i also think(assume) 4th is strongest. but i will rank 1st just beside him, personally.

 

[shigeru01]

the 4th

 

[Valkyria]

It's funny because at the beginning Minato was believed to be the strongest Hokage but Hashirama has been getting lots of hype lately especially from Madara. You know the guy Minato couldn't beat. With that said, if Hashirama had some tailed beast in his possession then it's a no-brainer but in a straight up fight I'd still give it to Hashirama.

 

[bik_zz]

Yondaime would win cause Kishi said the from the dead shinobi he is the strongest. Thats all. O and I like Yondaime more than Shodaime.

Ya it's tru.... If he said so then 4th is the poweful ninja compared to the 1st. however i liked the first very much...even madara couldn't defeat him.....

 

[chopsy16]

OKa.. now I am really confused..
1st hokage defeated Madara.. so
1st > Madara
3rd hokage defeated 1st and 2nd combined.. so
3rd > 1st
Naruto jus recently said that Madara is so strong that not even 4th cud beat him.. so
Madara > 4th
But 3rd never wanted the 3rd summon to come out wich was most likely the 4h.. also anko said to 3rd that if 4th was alive.. whn Oro was giving them trouble.. so most likely
4th > 3rd

 

[Realtwisted]

I go for the Fourth Hokage cuz his been the strongest hokage so far.

how he is the strogner hokage yet, the first hokage beat the 9 tail fox and madara, and the four counld no .

 

[Vergil..]

OKa.. now I am really confused..
1st hokage defeated Madara.. so
1st > Madara
3rd hokage defeated 1st and 2nd combined.. so
3rd > 1st
Naruto jus recently said that Madara is so strong that not even 4th cud beat him.. so
Madara > 4th
But 3rd never wanted the 3rd summon to come out wich was most likely the 4h.. also anko said to 3rd that if 4th was alive.. whn Oro was giving them trouble.. so most likely
4th > 3rd

easy its been what 80 years since the 1st beat madara so madara trained for all thoes year's and got stronger then 4th hokage u was stronger then the 1st by the time that kyuubi attaked.

so its like this:

Present Madara > Minato > Sarutobi > Tobirama and Hashirama ( i dont now wich was stronger but it must have been hashirama because of mokuton ) > Past Madara

 

[bik_zz]

easy its been what 80 years since the 1st beat madara so madara trained for all thoes year's and got stronger then 4th hokage u was stronger then the 1st by the time that kyuubi attaked.

so its like this:

Present Madara > Minato > Sarutobi > Tobirama and Hashirama ( i dont now wich was stronger but it must have been hashirama because of mokuton ) > Past Madara

Ya that kinda seems correct...and abt 1st and 2nd hokage, did 1st and 2nd really present their tru powers when they fought with 3rd when oro summoned them???I don't think so

 

[UzumakiGirlx]

4th ftw.

 

[Vergil..]

Ya that kinda seems correct...and abt 1st and 2nd hokage, did 1st and 2nd really present their tru powers when they fought with 3rd when oro summoned them???I don't think so

i think its iruka in a class that sais that the 3rd was the strongest of all the hokage's prior to him.
and yeah i think the 1st and 2nd never used there true power

 

[ANBUKAkashi]

i choose the 4th because of the flying thunder attack

 

[peaceful]

Nope. the first did not pwn Madara. But he is stronger than the fourth who was sannin level.

 

[Steinbiz]

OKa.. now I am really confused..
1st hokage defeated Madara.. so
1st > Madara
3rd hokage defeated 1st and 2nd combined.. so
3rd > 1st
Naruto jus recently said that Madara is so strong that not even 4th cud beat him.. so
Madara > 4th
But 3rd never wanted the 3rd summon to come out wich was most likely the 4h.. also anko said to 3rd that if 4th was alive.. whn Oro was giving them trouble.. so most likely
4th > 3rd

you're talking about the "A<B<C=A<C" theory. you should never do this in naruto, only do that for dragonball z. like i've said countless times before, naruto isn't at all like DBZ, fights in naruto are more based around stategies and knowledge of enemy weaknesses. now i'm not saying that if konohamaru knew minato's biggest weakness he could win (cuz he wouldn't), i'm saying that just because 1st<madara<itachi<orochimaru< 3rd, doesn't mean 1st< 3rd. i hope that made sense

this anime bases it's fights around who has the unique abilities to fight one another. minato even told naruto that to defeat madara, you had to have a special kind of ability. like probably using the 9 tails against him like the 1st hokage did.

in tomarrows manga it's going to say that the only ppl able to control bijuu are madara, 1st hokage, killer bee, and 4th mizukage. so since 4th hokage didn't have the ability, he wasn't able to defeat the madara+9 tails duo. (in my opinion, if minato did have the bijuu controlling ability, minato would have PWND madara+9 tails duo even harder than 1st hokage).

 

[Vergil..]

you're talking about the "A<B<C=A<C" theory. you should never do this in naruto, only do that for dragonball z. like i've said countless times before, naruto isn't at all like DBZ, fights in naruto are more based around stategies and knowledge of enemy weaknesses. now i'm not saying that if konohamaru knew minato's biggest weakness he could win (cuz he wouldn't), i'm saying that just because 1st<madara<itachi<orochimaru< 3rd, doesn't mean 1st< 3rd. i hope that made sense

this anime bases it's fights around who has the unique abilities to fight one another. minato even told naruto that to defeat madara, you had to have a special kind of ability. like probably using the 9 tails against him like the 1st hokage did.

in tomarrows manga it's going to say that the only ppl able to control bijuu are madara, 1st hokage, killer bee, and 4th mizukage. so since 4th hokage didn't have the ability, he wasn't able to defeat the madara+9 tails duo. (in my opinion, if minato did have the bijuu controlling ability, minato would have PWND madara+9 tails duo even harder than 1st hokage).

agreed ( for last part because your comparing his really hard )

 

[Scorpio0Pharaoh0Titan]

Why is this continuing ?


im so confused...

didn't kishi in the interview say that from all the dead shinobi that the fourth hokage and the third hokage are tied in first place as the strongest shinobi ?



so clearly,,, if Kishi said so.... it must be true... he is the creator of what we are essentially debating ...



so obviously the fourth is stronger than the first. since both are dead and confirmed dead.

 

[Lovepotion]

1st pwnd madara
madara pwnd 4th

so its abvious... 1st is the most powerfull shinobi and still is.. untill naruto controlls the ninetails 100%

 

[Lovepotion]

Why is this continuing ?


im so confused...

didn't kishi in the interview say that from all the dead shinobi that the fourth hokage and the third hokage are tied in first place as the strongest shinobi ?



so clearly,,, if Kishi said so.... it must be true... he is the creator of what we are essentially debating ...



so obviously the fourth is stronger than the first. since both are dead and confirmed dead.

how come the 4th died vs madara and the 1st won???

 

[Scorpio0Pharaoh0Titan]

how come the 4th died vs madara and the 1st won???

maybe there is more to it than meets the eye...




Kishi is a genius.... he wouldn't make up stuff about characters...


besides no matter what you say... kishi's word is what counts in the end. if he says the fourth is stronger than the first... then the fourth is stronger.