Naruto will kill Sasuke take his EMS and awaken the rinnegan

[Sageof7Path]

I never said he wouldn't win. I just said about the eye taking part.
P.S. Naruto says otherwise.

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Take Naruto's word over the toad if you want. I'm sure Hashirama thought he wouldn't kill Madaras ass but he ended up attempting to!

 

[Mitarashi]

I think Sasuke will see the true depths of naruto's strength and then turn on Naruto in an attempt to take the 9 tails and use it to defeat obito, seeing that as his only option in beating obito and becoming hokage. I think Naruto will beat Sasuke and Sasuke will see that naruto can protect konoha and tell him to take the eternal mangekyo sharingan before he dies. Naruto will do this and Naruto's dad will have already transferred the other half of Kurama's chackra during naruto's battle with sasuke as a last resort of obito being in the process of killing minato. Naruto's emotions will be going crazy he transplants the eyes he enters sage mode and kurama mode then out of no where the rinnegan awaken because of all the power flowing at once skipping the amount of time it took for the first set of rinnegan that developed. He enters a super saiyan like transformation with rinnegan and engages obito in a battle capable of destroying the world but naruto rasengans shurikans him to the moon. I think one of Naruto's great grandparents was a senju maybe a grandmother.

This made me laugh so much lmfao.

 

[uchihajaime]

The frog who that foretold all the events leading up till now in the Naruto series also foretold Naruto killing his best friend in a fight to the death.. One of them is going to parish.

No. the frog said he would face someone whose power lies in their eyes. That is Obito. Naruto assumed it was Sasuke. the frog didn't say it was Sasuke.

Let me present Fictional Prophecies 101: a sage says something ambiguous. the protagonist assumes the Sage means A. it turns out to be B. the moment Naruto assumed it was Sasuke was the moment anybody who understood fiction and tropes knew it wasn't going to be Sasuke.

Naruto will fight Sasuke. It will end on a tnj like every other villain with a tragic past. Naruto would never kill Sasuke.

bold: Really? You did understand the theme that new generation surpasses the old generation right. Naruto surpasses the First by refusing to kill Sasuke. Sasuke surpasses the Madara by accepting Naruto as Hokage. They both surpass Danzo and the Third by working together. Naruto surpasses the Jiraiya by bringing his friend back. Sasuke surpasses Orochimaru by returning. Naruto surpasses the Sage's younger son by wanting to save Sasuke after their battle. Sasuke surpasses the elder by becoming Naruto's friend instead of clinging on to hate. Kishimoto doesn't condone genocide by killing off all the Uchiha. If you're want my full argument against this, see the link to the theard in my sig

 

[Sageof7Path]

No. the frog said he would face someone whose power lies in their eyes. That is Obito. Naruto assumed it was Sasuke. the frog didn't say it was Sasuke.

Let me present Fictional Prophecies 101: a sage says something ambiguous. the protagonist assumes the Sage means A. it turns out to be B. the moment Naruto assumed it was Sasuke was the moment anybody who understood fiction and tropes knew it wasn't going to be Sasuke.

Naruto will fight Sasuke. It will end on a tnj like every other villain with a tragic past. Naruto would never kill Sasuke.

bold: Really? You did understand the theme that new generation surpasses the old generation right. Naruto surpasses the First by refusing to kill Sasuke. Sasuke surpasses the Madara by accepting Naruto as Hokage. They both surpass Danzo and the Third by working together. Naruto surpasses the Jiraiya by bringing his friend back. Sasuke surpasses Orochimaru by returning. Naruto surpasses the Sage's younger son by wanting to save Sasuke after their battle. Sasuke surpasses the elder by becoming Naruto's friend instead of clinging on to hate. Kishimoto doesn't condone genocide by killing off all the Uchiha. If you're want my full argument against this, see the link to the theard in my sig

Obito's power lies in the 10 tails not his eyes. He is only a problem with his 10 tails with out it he would be dead. Sasuke however gets just about ALL of his powers from his eyes. If you took his Sharingan away you've taken away the only hopes he has to kombat against Naruto's sage mode. Naruto and Sasuke have not surpassed Madara and Hashirama yet , hell sasuke hasn't even surpassed orochimaru according to what came out of SASUKE's and suigesttsu's mouth but I believe that the theme is that love conquers hatred and promotes peace. So far all the issues have been a dispute of how to defete peace. Really the new generations have not surpassed the old if that was the case why are all the former kage's of each nation stronger than the current ones?

Now Naruto's the main character. Sasuke is back but hasn't changed his views. Sai and others can see this although Naruto and Sakura is in denial. Obito Uchiha is the 10 tails jenchuriki. His main power comes from a tailed beast. Sasukes power from his EMS(the strongest type of sharingan) and that's what makes him a threat. The frog who told the future events leading up to now has stated that Naruto will face Sasuke if how you say "power lies in his eyes". Obito with his eyes couldn't even beat kakashi. Naruto is the main character and they have to fight to the death. Goodbye Sasuke. Sasuke is still evil. He is stuck in his ways and problematic and Naruto will either have to fight him here and now or defend the village from him latter on.

 

[uchihajaime]

Obito's power lies in the 10 tails not his eyes. He is only a problem with his 10 tails with out it he would be dead. Sasuke however gets just about ALL of his powers from his eyes. If you took his Sharingan away you've taken away the only hopes he has to kombat against Naruto's sage mode. Naruto and Sasuke have not surpassed Madara and Hashirama yet , hell sasuke hasn't even surpassed orochimaru according to what came out of SASUKE's and suigesttsu's mouth but I believe that the theme is that love conquers hatred and promotes peace. So far all the issues have been a dispute of how to defete peace. Really the new generations have not surpassed the old if that was the case why are all the former kage's of each nation stronger than the current ones?

Now Naruto's the main character. Sasuke is back but hasn't changed his views. Sai and others can see this although Naruto and Sakura is in denial. Obito Uchiha is the 10 tails jenchuriki. His main power comes from a tailed beast. Sasukes power from his EMS(the strongest type of sharingan) and that's what makes him a threat. The frog who told the future events leading up to now has stated that Naruto will face Sasuke if how you say "power lies in his eyes". Obito with his eyes couldn't even beat kakashi. Naruto is the main character and they have to fight to the death. Goodbye Sasuke. Sasuke is still evil. He is stuck in his ways and problematic and Naruto will either have to fight him here and now or defend the village from him latter on.

Sasuke doesn't get all of his powers from his eyes. His mastery of lightning and fire natures has nothing to do with his eyes. His swordmanship doesn't come from his eyes.
(edit: Obito like you said gets power from the the 10 tails. That is the only non-eye power he has. Sasuke has lightning, fire, and swordsmanship)

the theme about surpassing old generation is not about how powerful a fighter you are. It's about overcoming the previous generation's mistakes.
Sasuke views have changed. They just haven't changed completely because character development must be gradual. Sasuke has given up revenge. Sasuke is no longer looking to the past. He is looking to the future as evidenced in his will to be Hokage. (he won't become Hokage but what matters is that he is fighting for the future.)
Obito's eyes are stronger than Sasuke's. He has the Rinnegan. The only reason he didn't win against Kakashi was he didn't have intangibility (the power of his eyes) since he idiotically choose to fight Kakashi in the other world.
Sasuke is not still evil. He apologized to Karin. He defends his comrades (Sakura and Naruto) unlike when he was evil in the Five Kage Summit. He even showed concern when another comrade Sai was falling to his death. He smiled with his friend Naruto when they attacked Obito. He is fighting against evil. Sasuke no longer hates the Leaf. How does that mark him as evil?

 

[Strawberry]

uh huh or sasuke will extract kurama

 

[Cloudis1]

I'm not even sure that you know what you're saying..

 

[Sageof7Path]

Sasuke doesn't get all of his powers from his eyes. His mastery of lightning and fire natures has nothing to do with his eyes. His swordmanship doesn't come from his eyes.
(edit: Obito like you said gets power from the the 10 tails. That is the only non-eye power he has. Sasuke has lightning, fire, and swordsmanship)

the theme about surpassing old generation is not about how powerful a fighter you are. It's about overcoming the previous generation's mistakes.
Sasuke views have changed. They just haven't changed completely because character development must be gradual. Sasuke has given up revenge. Sasuke is no longer looking to the past. He is looking to the future as evidenced in his will to be Hokage. (he won't become Hokage but what matters is that he is fighting for the future.)
Obito's eyes are stronger than Sasuke's. He has the Rinnegan. The only reason he didn't win against Kakashi was he didn't have intangibility (the power of his eyes) since he idiotically choose to fight Kakashi in the other world.
Sasuke is not still evil. He apologized to Karin. He defends his comrades (Sakura and Naruto) unlike when he was evil in the Five Kage Summit. He even showed concern when another comrade Sai was falling to his death. He smiled with his friend Naruto when they attacked Obito. He is fighting against evil. Sasuke no longer hates the Leaf. How does that mark him as evil?

So you're telling me that the main fight style Sasuke will use when he fights naruto are lighting attacks? Attacks that are outdated? The whole reason for Sasuke getting EMS is so that he can get closer to Naruto's level because at this point Naruto would rip him apart without a defense like the eternal mangekyo sharingan. Trust me Sasuke couldn't even beat kakashi with his lightning attacks which is why he went susano. Sasuke's power is in his eyes. Lighting attacks are just an outdated form of Sasuke's fighting style. He wasn't even considered a quarter of a threat to naruto until he got the eternal sharingan.

Obito's power NEVER relied in his eyes. When have you ever seen Obito use Ameterasu or Sussano? It's never happened. Obito HAS used time space jutsus. So far Obito has shown little to NO visual prowes compared to Sasuke so the power of Dojutsu and Ninjutsu(from sharingan) lies with who? Sasuke Uchiha. However Obito Uchiha with the ten tails becomes a threat.

The theme of Naruto is that love conquers hate to achieve peace. That's what it's been about so far. Sasuke doesn't give a damn about Madara. Sasuke is concerned with becoming hokage to fufil his brothers sacrifice at all COSTS. Meaning Sasuke doesn't give a damn about the village. The manga keeps indicating that Sasuke is still in a bad frame of mind and things will not roll over smoothly between Naruto and Sasuke if Sasuke keeps his frame of mind. What else could be kishi's reason for showing Sasuke in such a negative light these last few chapters? Sasuke's eyes are definetly stronger than obito's but rather they are or not doesn't dictate if that's where they're power lies. Sasuke get's his power from his sharingan. Obito's rinnegan and sharingan don't make him a threat to the people he's facing right now. The ten tails does. Trying to put Obito's eyes above the power of the 10 tails wouldn't make sense. If that's the case the toad sage probably should have been more specific and told Naruto that his opponent would have the power of the Sage of 6 paths. That would have made more sense wouldn't it have? After all that's were Obito's power is currently his greatest power. Sasuke's power lies in his eyes. That right now is his main for of defense and offense. Saying an Uchiha with eternal manegkyo sharingan's tijutsu and lightning attacks is stronger than his sharingan is insane. At the end of the day all Sasuke cares about is his own goal and he's driven by love for his brother sorrow for his clan and hatred for the leaf village. He may try to rule and protect the village in honor of his brothers sacrifice but as indicated by his behavior in the last several chapters of the manga he wont take no for an answer and will be problematic in his quest to rule Konoha. This will make for an awesome ending and all the signs point to these two fighting to the death with Naruto winning of course being the main character.

 

[Sageof7Path]

I'm not even sure that you know what you're saying..

I don't care what you think you contribute nothing.

 

[Ovan]

Meh.. Not a big fan of him getting the eyes to tell the truth..

 

[Naijakid]

Did not read but yah I agreed with you

 

[uchihajaime]

So you're telling me that the main fight style Sasuke will use when he fights naruto are lighting attacks? Attacks that are outdated? The whole reason for Sasuke getting EMS is so that he can get closer to Naruto's level because at this point Naruto would rip him apart without a defense like the eternal mangekyo sharingan. Trust me Sasuke couldn't even beat kakashi with his lightning attacks which is why he went susano. Sasuke's power is in his eyes. Lighting attacks are just an outdated form of Sasuke's fighting style. He wasn't even considered a quarter of a threat to naruto until he got the eternal sharingan.

Obito's power NEVER relied in his eyes. When have you ever seen Obito use Ameterasu or Sussano? It's never happened. Obito HAS used time space jutsus. So far Obito has shown little to NO visual prowes compared to Sasuke so the power of Dojutsu and Ninjutsu(from sharingan) lies with who? Sasuke Uchiha. However Obito Uchiha with the ten tails becomes a threat.

The theme of Naruto is that love conquers hate to achieve peace. That's what it's been about so far. Sasuke doesn't give a damn about Madara. Sasuke is concerned with becoming hokage to fufil his brothers sacrifice at all COSTS. Meaning Sasuke doesn't give a damn about the village. The manga keeps indicating that Sasuke is still in a bad frame of mind and things will not roll over smoothly between Naruto and Sasuke if Sasuke keeps his frame of mind. What else could be kishi's reason for showing Sasuke in such a negative light these last few chapters? Sasuke's eyes are definetly stronger than obito's but rather they are or not doesn't dictate if that's where they're power lies. Sasuke get's his power from his sharingan. Obito's rinnegan and sharingan don't make him a threat to the people he's facing right now. The ten tails does. Trying to put Obito's eyes above the power of the 10 tails wouldn't make sense. If that's the case the toad sage probably should have been more specific and told Naruto that his opponent would have the power of the Sage of 6 paths. That would have made more sense wouldn't it have? After all that's were Obito's power is currently his greatest power. Sasuke's power lies in his eyes. That right now is his main for of defense and offense. Saying an Uchiha with eternal manegkyo sharingan's tijutsu and lightning attacks is stronger than his sharingan is insane. At the end of the day all Sasuke cares about is his own goal and he's driven by love for his brother sorrow for his clan and hatred for the leaf village. He may try to rule and protect the village in honor of his brothers sacrifice but as indicated by his behavior in the last several chapters of the manga he wont take no for an answer and will be problematic in his quest to rule Konoha. This will make for an awesome ending and all the signs point to these two fighting to the death with Naruto winning of course being the main character.

Sasuke won't use lightning against Naruto. I was saying he has powers other than his eyes, not that he'd use them against Naruto in Naruto vs. Sasuke. I don't know how you came to conclusion I was talking about Naruto vs. Sasuke. Sasuke has more non-eye powers than Obito. However, Obito single non-eye power is more powerful than Sasuke.

Obito's space time jutsu comes from his eyes. Thus, it's a subset of the power of his eyes, meaning the toad sage could have been talking about him. He completely relies on his eyes.

When did I say Obito's eyes are greater than the ten tails. I was proving he relied on his eyes, not just on his eyes. He has one non-eye power. Sasuke has more non-eye powers, though Obito's one non-eye power is more powerful than Sasuke.

Why didn't the Toad say Naruto would fight someone had the ten-tails power? Because its ****ing prophecy. Prophecies are supposed to ambiguous, not blindingly obvious like having to fight the ten-tails.

I never said Sasuke's lightning was greater than his sharingan. I have no idea where you even got that idea from. My thesis was that Sasuke relies on his eyes less than Obito.

Sasuke does care about the village. "I'm going to the battlefield… I won't let this village… and my brother… be wasted!" He put village before his brother. He cares about it. He cares about not repeating the mistakes of the past. Even if you were right that he's only doing this for Itachi, then he still cares about the village. He would care about because of Itachi.

You are correct Kishimoto portrays Sasuke as having dark motives. That doesn't mean he is irredeemably evil. It means he is going through gradual character development. he can't go from villain to hero after just some words from Itachi and Hashirama. Right now, Sasuke is an anti-hero. This does not mean he is irredeemable. It means he hasn't been completely redeemed yet. Sasuke is being gradually redeemed because it's good character development and all fo the foreshadowing says Naruto must be the final one to redeem Sasuke. Naruto must be the one to take Sasuke from anti-hero to hero. In conclusion, just because Sasuke is not redeemed yet doesn't mean he's completely irredeemable.

Okay, Obito's eyes are less powerful than Sasuke's, I'll actually allow that since Obito forgets he has the Rinnegan. However, Obito relies on his eyes more than Sasuke. Sasuke: lightning, fire, and sword. Obito: ten tails. Obito's power relies on his eyes. Even if Obito's eyes don't make him a threat to poeple he's currently fighting, most of his power still comes from them.

Never did I say Sasuke's lightning was greater than his sharigan. How did you come to that conclusion? I used it as proof that Sasuke has more powers outside of his eyes than does Obito.

Sasuke no longer hates the leaf. He is fighting for them.

edit: other reasons why this won't happen

It's out of Naruto's character to raid corpses

It took Madara years with Senju DNA to unlock Rinnegan. Obito never did despite having Senjgu DNA.

It would take a while for Naruto to master the Rinnegan.

Sasuke is the second most important character in the entire series . He is not some cheap plot device to give Naruto a power-up.

 

[Sageof7Path]

Sasuke won't use lightning against Naruto. I was saying he has powers other than his eyes, not that he'd use them against Naruto in Naruto vs. Sasuke. I don't know how you came to conclusion I was talking about Naruto vs. Sasuke. Sasuke has more non-eye powers than Obito. However, Obito single non-eye power is more powerful than Sasuke.

Obito's space time jutsu comes from his eyes. Thus, it's a subset of the power of his eyes, meaning the toad sage could have been talking about him. He completely relies on his eyes.

When did I say Obito's eyes are greater than the ten tails. I was proving he relied on his eyes, not just on his eyes. He has one non-eye power. Sasuke has more non-eye powers, though Obito's one non-eye power is more powerful than Sasuke. He's fighting out of hatred and pride.

Why didn't the Toad say Naruto would fight someone had the ten-tails power? Because its ****ing prophecy. Prophecies are supposed to ambiguous, not blindingly obvious like having to fight the ten-tails.

I never said Sasuke's lightning was greater than his sharingan. I have no idea where you even got that idea from. My thesis was that Sasuke relies on his eyes less than Obito.

Sasuke does care about the village. "I'm going to the battlefield… I won't let this village… and my brother… be wasted!" He put village before his brother. He cares about it. He cares about not repeating the mistakes of the past. Even if you were right that he's only doing this for Itachi, then he still cares about the village. He would care about because of Itachi.

You are correct Kishimoto portrays Sasuke as having dark motives. That doesn't mean he is irredeemably evil. It means he is going through gradual character development. he can't go from villain to hero after just some words from Itachi and Hashirama. Right now, Sasuke is an anti-hero. This does not mean he is irredeemable. It means he hasn't been completely redeemed yet. Sasuke is being gradually redeemed because it's good character development and all fo the foreshadowing says Naruto must be the final one to redeem Sasuke. Naruto must be the one to take Sasuke from anti-hero to hero. In conclusion, just because Sasuke is not redeemed yet doesn't mean he's completely irredeemable.

Okay, Obito's eyes are less powerful than Sasuke's, I'll actually allow that since Obito forgets he has the Rinnegan. However, Obito relies on his eyes more than Sasuke. Sasuke: lightning, fire, and sword. Obito: ten tails. Obito's power relies on his eyes. Even if Obito's eyes don't make him a threat to poeple he's currently fighting, most of his power still comes from them.

Never did I say Sasuke's lightning was greater than his sharigan. How did you come to that conclusion? I used it as proof that Sasuke has more powers outside of his eyes than does Obito.

Sasuke no longer hates the leaf. He is fighting for them.

You don't know where the Naruto vs Sasuke statement came from.... when that's how this whole thing started. I'll say this again. Sasuke is most powerful with his eyes. That's what's giving him his strength right now. Alright let me ask you this. If Naruto and Obito fought right now what would be Naruto's main concern? Would it be Obito's Sharingan(which can't do much and he barely uses) and Rinnegan(which he rarely uses) or will it be the Ten Tails.
Now let me ask you about Sasuke. If Naruto fights Sasuke right now what will be Naruto's main concern? Will it be all the ty jutsu and lightning attacks Sasuke has learned? Or will it be the ETERNAL MONGEKYO SHARINGAN said to be the most power asset to the Uchiha and the thing that makes Sasuke able to compete with Naruto.

Now I'll admit I just looked it up Obito's space time Jutsus come from his eyes. But let's focus on the here and now because THIS is when the frogs statements come into play. If Naruto where to face Obito right now what do you think Obito would rely on the most? Would it be his space time jutsu? His eyes? Or would it be the power of the 10 tails? Of course the power of the Ten Tails. The frog said that Naruto will face some one who relies on their eyes for power. If Sasuke and Naruto go into battle right now what would be Sasuke's biggest asset? His Eternal mongekyo sharingan correct. That being said that the frogs statement is about to come to be and the two opponents for Naruto. They range from Obito(who is clearly on team evil) and Sasuke(Who could be evil but is OBVIOUSLY going to be an antagonist), which one of these two poses their strongest power(AS OF NOW, WHEN THE PROFFICY TAKES PLACE) in their eye? It's clearly Sasuke Uchiha.

If the toad is going to give a proficy about Naruto having to fight some one with extrodenary power. What sense does it make to make something like the sharinan overshadow having something like the 10 tails. There is no way in hell he was talking about Obito. Obito is way beyond sharingan or rinnegan at this point his power is the power of the s06 paths.

If you want to know I noticed that you tried to downplay Sasuke's sharingan by bringing up other aspects of his skill set it's because you made it obvious. You're the one who said sharingan is not his only power. I never only power. I said his main power. Sharingan as of NOW(when the prof. takes place) is not obito's main power but it is Sasuke Uchihas.

It's obvious Sasuke ONLY cares about the village because of his brothers sacrifice and what the Uchiha went through. Oh what do you think he just went from wanting to destroy the village to loving the village unconditionally? What reason does he have to love Konoha at this point? What motive would he have to save a village that killed his own clan and used his brother to do it? None besides his brothers request. What mistakes of the past are you referring to? Until the hokage's explained everything that went down he was going to destroy the place!

As I said before THIS is the time for prophecy. Obtio is not relying on his eyes any more. He doesn't even need them. He's almost untouchable. Sasuke however is using Ameterasu and Sussano left and right. So out of these two which one(right now where the prophecy is about to happen) is getting his power from his eyes? Sasuke Uchiha is. He still has hatred and bitterness.

 

[uchihajaime]

You don't know where the Naruto vs Sasuke statement came from.... when that's how this whole thing started. I'll say this again. Sasuke is most powerful with his eyes. That's what's giving him his strength right now. Alright let me ask you this. If Naruto and Obito fought right now what would be Naruto's main concern? Would it be Obito's Sharingan(which can't do much and he barely uses) and Rinnegan(which he rarely uses) or will it be the Ten Tails.
Now let me ask you about Sasuke. If Naruto fights Sasuke right now what will be Naruto's main concern? Will it be all the ty jutsu and lightning attacks Sasuke has learned? Or will it be the ETERNAL MONGEKYO SHARINGAN said to be the most power asset to the Uchiha and the thing that makes Sasuke able to compete with Naruto.

Now I'll admit I just looked it up Obito's space time Jutsus come from his eyes. But let's focus on the here and now because THIS is when the frogs statements come into play. If Naruto where to face Obito right now what do you think Obito would rely on the most? Would it be his space time jutsu? His eyes? Or would it be the power of the 10 tails? Of course the power of the Ten Tails. The frog said that Naruto will face some one who relies on their eyes for power. If Sasuke and Naruto go into battle right now what would be Sasuke's biggest asset? His Eternal mongekyo sharingan correct. That being said that the frogs statement is about to come to be and the two opponents for Naruto. They range from Obito(who is clearly on team evil) and Sasuke(Who could be evil but is OBVIOUSLY going to be an antagonist), which one of these two poses their strongest power(AS OF NOW, WHEN THE PROFFICY TAKES PLACE) in their eye? It's clearly Sasuke Uchiha.

If the toad is going to give a proficy about Naruto having to fight some one with extrodenary power. What sense does it make to make something like the sharinan overshadow having something like the 10 tails. There is no way in hell he was talking about Obito. Obito is way beyond sharingan or rinnegan at this point his power is the power of the s06 paths.

If you want to know I noticed that you tried to downplay Sasuke's sharingan by bringing up other aspects of his skill set it's because you made it obvious. You're the one who said sharingan is not his only power. I never only power. I said his main power. Sharingan as of NOW(when the prof. takes place) is not obito's main power but it is Sasuke Uchihas.

It's obvious Sasuke ONLY cares about the village because of his brothers sacrifice and what the Uchiha went through. Oh what do you think he just went from wanting to destroy the village to loving the village unconditionally? What reason does he have to love Konoha at this point? What motive would he have to save a village that killed his own clan and used his brother to do it? None besides his brothers request. What mistakes of the past are you referring to? Until the hokage's explained everything that went down he was going to destroy the place!

As I said before THIS is the time for prophecy. Obtio is not relying on his eyes any more. He doesn't even need them. He's almost untouchable. Sasuke however is using Ameterasu and Sussano left and right. So out of these two which one(right now where the prophecy is about to happen) is getting his power from his eyes? Sasuke Uchiha is. He still has hatred and bitterness.

We seem to have different measuring sticks. Mine: have more (numerically) non-eyes powers means you don't rely on your eyes. yours: having the more powerful non-eye power means you don't rely on your eyes. Also doesn't the sharingan have the power to control tailed beasts? Obito could very well be using that to control them.

I wasn't downplaying his Sharingan. I never said Sasuke's chidori was greater than his sharingan. Take some time to analyze my argument. I said he had a greater quantity of non-eye powers. I did not say the quality of his non-eye powers was greater than his eyes powers.

bold: Why was he smiling with Naruto? If your opinion is valid, then he doesn't care about Naruto just Itachi. However, manga fact; he was smiling with Naruto. That what you do with loved ones and/or friends. His relationship with Naruto is a reason is to defend the village. There's also his "delete the past" comment. Guess who is in the past: Itachi. Sasuke is not a slave to the past anymore. He is fighting for the future.

 

[shelke]

Another garbage thread from the likes of sageof7path. Congratulations for another addition to the gem of a list. How does he get the Rinnegan anyway? Restart your RAM and recall those Madara chapters. It's as if you are constantly on pot or something.

 

[Sageof7Path]

We seem to have different measuring sticks. Mine: have more (numerically) non-eyes powers means you don't rely on your eyes. yours: having the more powerful non-eye power means you don't rely on your eyes. Also doesn't the sharingan have the power to control tailed beasts? Obito could very well be using that to control them.

I wasn't downplaying his Sharingan. I never said Sasuke's chidori was greater than his sharingan. Take some time to analyze my argument. I said he had a greater quantity of non-eye powers. I did not say the quality of his non-eye powers was greater than his eyes powers.

bold: Why was he smiling with Naruto? If your opinion is valid, then he doesn't care about Naruto just Itachi. However, manga fact; he was smiling with Naruto. That what you do with loved ones and/or friends. His relationship with Naruto is a reason is to defend the village. There's also his "delete the past" comment. Guess who is in the past: Itachi. Sasuke is not a slave to the past anymore. He is fighting for the future.

If Naruto fights Obtio right now what kind of power do you think he's gonna use? If Naruto fights Sasuke what do you think Sasuke will use. It's hard finding ways to put it at this point I keep explaining this. Obtio relies on the 10 tails. Sasuke on the Eternal mongekyo sharingan.

You asked me how do I know if obito isn't using his sharingan to control the 10 tails. It's simple Obito just gained control over the 10 tails. Did you not see the chapter where Obito forgot who he was and starting attacking everyone in sight? Where he kept asking "jinchuriki?" "Obito?" He was not in control at all after he absorbed the 10 tails. Think back to the ten tails ripping him apart from the inside while Obito was unconscious. It wasn't till he thought about rin that he regained control of himself and the 10 tails power and started to dominate. Everything in the manga indicates that Obito was not using his sharingan to control the 10 tails.

It's not opinion it's fact that Sasuke is bitter and hold reasement for the things that happened in his life. Please direct me to where he was smiling at and the circumstances of his smiling. What you say about him all of a sudden loving and carring about konoha is opinion. Now all of a sudden your coming up with this delete the past stuff when earlier you just agreed with what I said about Sasuke's views. You said that he would change later on but him and Naruto wouldn't fight. EVERYTHING about Sasuke's behavior in the last several manga chapters indicates that there is something more to his goal something that is going to play into a clash between the two. Although Naruto doesn't want it it's going to happen and he is going to kill Sasuke. I'm going by what the Manga and the anime gives me.

 

[Sageof7Path]

Another garbage thread from the likes of sageof7path. Congratulations for another addition to the gem of a list. How does he get the Rinnegan anyway? Restart your RAM and recall those Madara chapters. It's as if you are constantly on pot or something.

I explained it incase you didn't read. Senju crap plus uchiha eternal mongekyo sharingan equal rinnegan in case you didn't know you Keebler elf jacked up on mountain dew.

 

[shelke]

^ Right, because Naruto obviously possesses the Senju Dna. Silly me.

 

[uchihajaime]

If Naruto fights Obtio right now what kind of power do you think he's gonna use? If Naruto fights Sasuke what do you think Sasuke will use. It's hard finding ways to put it at this point I keep explaining this. Obtio relies on the 10 tails. Sasuke on the Eternal mongekyo sharingan.

You asked me how do I know if obito isn't using his sharingan to control the 10 tails. It's simple Obito just gained control over the 10 tails. Did you not see the chapter where Obito forgot who he was and starting attacking everyone in sight? Where he kept asking "jinchuriki?" "Obito?" He was not in control at all after he absorbed the 10 tails. Think back to the ten tails ripping him apart from the inside while Obito was unconscious. It wasn't till he thought about rin that he regained control of himself and the 10 tails power and started to dominate. Everything in the manga indicates that Obito was not using his sharingan to control the 10 tails.

It's not opinion it's fact that Sasuke is bitter and hold reasement for the things that happened in his life. Please direct me to where he was smiling at and the circumstances of his smiling. What you say about him all of a sudden loving and carring about konoha is opinion. Now all of a sudden your coming up with this delete the past stuff when earlier you just agreed with what I said about Sasuke's views. You said that he would change later on but him and Naruto wouldn't fight. EVERYTHING about Sasuke's behavior in the last several manga chapters indicates that there is something more to his goal something that is going to play into a clash between the two. Although Naruto doesn't want it it's going to happen and he is going to kill Sasuke. I'm going by what the Manga and the anime gives me.

My god, you twist my words around into not what I was saying.
paragraph 1: doesn't refute a single thing I said. We have different measuring sticks, okay? Let my drop a bomb on you. There can be two opinions on something and both can be valid.

2: you prove Rin was a factor, not that she was the only factor.

3: end of chapter 641. No idea how you missed it. It was enough to warrant dialogue from Sakura and Hinata. Sasuke is still dark but he is less dark. This means he is slowly climbing his way to redemption. Now, to explain Sasuke's delete the past comment. I do not condone it. It shows two things. One, he is still a dark character. Two, he is not thinking of the past anymore. Itachi, being dead, is in the past. His motives have changed. yes, Sasuke has dark goals but this doesn't make him evil. He has changed. He is less dark. For example he saves his comrades unlike before. He just hasn't changed completely, because it's called gradual character development. He will fight Naruto. However, seeing as he is slowing going on the path to redemption, Naruto will save him or else everything Sasuke has done since Itachi's speech was pointless.

 

[Sageof7Path]

My god, you twist my words around into not what I was saying.
paragraph 1: doesn't refute a single thing I said. We have different measuring sticks, okay? Let my drop a bomb on you. There can be two opinions on something and both can be valid.

2: you prove Rin was a factor, not that she was the only factor.

3: end of chapter 641. No idea how you missed it. It was enough to warrant dialogue from Sakura and Hinata. Sasuke is still dark but he is less dark. This means he is slowly climbing his way to redemption. Now, to explain Sasuke's delete the past comment. I do not condone it. It shows two things. One, he is still a dark character. Two, he is not thinking of the past anymore. Itachi, being dead, is in the past. His motives have changed. yes, Sasuke has dark goals but this doesn't make him evil. He has changed. He is less dark. For example he saves his comrades unlike before. He just hasn't changed completely, because it's called gradual character development. He will fight Naruto. However, seeing as he is slowing going on the path to redemption, Naruto will save him or else everything Sasuke has done since Itachi's speech was pointless.

What proof do I need? It's in the freaking manga. Go look. There is ABSOLUTELY no indication in the manga that Obito used the sharingan to control the 10 tails inside of him. But there IS indication that when he was being torn apart by the 10 tails that his memory was faiding and before the 10 tails could erase rin he found the strength to pull himself together. Let me ask you this, how could the sharingan give him the power to control something that is INSIDE of him. We've seen tailed beast be controlled from the outside with a persons dojutsu but not on the inside.

Becomes jinchuriki not in control doesn't even know who he is

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Getting ripped apart not in control

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Here's Obito in control

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There is your proof from the manga where in these articals give you any indication on sharingan giving obito the power to control the Jubi.

Here is a quote from you regarding Sasuke's views.
"You are correct Kishimoto portrays Sasuke as having dark motives. That doesn't mean he is irredeemably evil. It means he is going through gradual character development. he can't go from villain to hero after just some words from Itachi and Hashirama. Right now, Sasuke is an anti-hero. This does not mean he is irredeemable. It means he hasn't been completely redeemed yet. Sasuke is being gradually redeemed because it's good character development and all fo the foreshadowing says Naruto must be the final one to redeem Sasuke. Naruto must be the one to take Sasuke from anti-hero to hero. In conclusion, just because Sasuke is not redeemed yet doesn't mean he's completely irredeemable."