Naruto will kill Sasuke take his EMS and awaken the rinnegan

[Raekwon26]

Yeah, sure...

 

[Sageof7Path]

My god, you twist my words around into not what I was saying.
paragraph 1: doesn't refute a single thing I said. We have different measuring sticks, okay? Let my drop a bomb on you. There can be two opinions on something and both can be valid.

2: you prove Rin was a factor, not that she was the only factor.

3: end of chapter 641. No idea how you missed it. It was enough to warrant dialogue from Sakura and Hinata. Sasuke is still dark but he is less dark. This means he is slowly climbing his way to redemption. Now, to explain Sasuke's delete the past comment. I do not condone it. It shows two things. One, he is still a dark character. Two, he is not thinking of the past anymore. Itachi, being dead, is in the past. His motives have changed. yes, Sasuke has dark goals but this doesn't make him evil. He has changed. He is less dark. For example he saves his comrades unlike before. He just hasn't changed completely, because it's called gradual character development. He will fight Naruto. However, seeing as he is slowing going on the path to redemption, Naruto will save him or else everything Sasuke has done since Itachi's speech was pointless.

Becomes jinchuriki not in control doesn't even know who he is

What proof do I need? It's in the freaking manga. Go look. There is ABSOLUTELY no indication in the manga that Obito used the sharingan to control the 10 tails inside of him. But there IS indication that when he was being torn apart by the 10 tails that his memory was faiding and before the 10 tails could erase rin he found the strength to pull himself together. Let me ask you this, how could the sharingan give him the power to control something that is INSIDE of him. We've seen tailed beast be controlled from the outside with a persons dojutsu but not on the inside.

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Here's Obito in control

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There is your proof from the manga where in these articals give you any indication on sharingan giving obito the power to control the Jubi.

Here is a quote from you regarding Sasuke's views.
"You are correct Kishimoto portrays Sasuke as having dark motives. That doesn't mean he is irredeemably evil. It means he is going through gradual character development. he can't go from villain to hero after just some words from Itachi and Hashirama. Right now, Sasuke is an anti-hero. This does not mean he is irredeemable. It means he hasn't been completely redeemed yet. Sasuke is being gradually redeemed because it's good character development and all fo the foreshadowing says Naruto must be the final one to redeem Sasuke. Naruto must be the one to take Sasuke from anti-hero to hero. In conclusion, just because Sasuke is not redeemed yet doesn't mean he's completely irredeemable."

 

[Sageof7Path]

^ Right, because Naruto obviously possesses the Senju Dna. Silly me.

Like I said you should have read mr you can't.

 

[shelke]

^ Sakura gets Senju dna and Sasuke lends her his eyes. Rinnegan Awakened. This is my logic. Prove me wrong. You obviously have no clue about plot direction.

 

[Uchicha Macho]

Typical narutard

 

[uchihajaime]

What proof do I need? It's in the freaking manga. Go look. There is ABSOLUTELY no indication in the manga that Obito used the sharingan to control the 10 tails inside of him. But there IS indication that when he was being torn apart by the 10 tails that his memory was faiding and before the 10 tails could erase rin he found the strength to pull himself together. Let me ask you this, how could the sharingan give him the power to control something that is INSIDE of him. We've seen tailed beast be controlled from the outside with a persons dojutsu but not on the inside.

Becomes jinchuriki not in control doesn't even know who he is

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There is your proof from the manga where in these articals give you any indication on sharingan giving obito the power to control the Jubi.

Here is a quote from you regarding Sasuke's views.
"You are correct Kishimoto portrays Sasuke as having dark motives. That doesn't mean he is irredeemably evil. It means he is going through gradual character development. he can't go from villain to hero after just some words from Itachi and Hashirama. Right now, Sasuke is an anti-hero. This does not mean he is irredeemable. It means he hasn't been completely redeemed yet. Sasuke is being gradually redeemed because it's good character development and all fo the foreshadowing says Naruto must be the final one to redeem Sasuke. Naruto must be the one to take Sasuke from anti-hero to hero. In conclusion, just because Sasuke is not redeemed yet doesn't mean he's completely irredeemable."

Fine, Obito didn't use sharingan to control ten tails. How does this affect my argument? a sentence is invalid. Literally nothing else is invalid. You harp on one thing while leaving the rest of my argument where the meat is intact and completely valid.

How does that quote affect your argument at all? I argued Sasuke was on his a way to redemption, while admitting he wasn't redeemed yet. I'm not contradicting myself. Five Kage Summit Sasuke = very dark. Current Sasuke = less dark. Why would Kishimoto make that change if Naruto wasn't going to save Sasuke. IF Naruto was going to kill Sasuke, have Five Kage Summit Sasuke show up, Naruto kills him and gets his eyes. Now, however, Sasuke is less dark.

Sasuke is a still a dark character. I admit but he less dark. He abandoned his team in the Five Kage Summit. He didn't care about his comrades. Now, he saved Sakura for no possible ulterior motives. He showed concern when Sai was falling. Ergo, he is less dark. He is on the way to redemption.


Naruto won't kill Sasuke. This is a very idealistic kid. He couldn't kill Pain who murdered his master and massacred his village, though he didn't even have a bond with Pain. Why would he kill Sasuke who he has a bond with and has committed less crimes than Pain, who he spared?

I notice you don't have a counter-argument to explain why Sasuke was smiling with Naruto. Do you have no proof Sasuke is as evil as you say he is? Let me explain again. I think Sasuke is still a dark character but less dark then Five Kage Summit and he is one the way to redemption. Because he is dark doesn't mean he is irredeemable. You refuse to acknowledge the little changes in Sasuke because they put holes in your argument.

Why do you refuse to acknowledge there can be two valid ways of seeing something? You say Sasuke is the man of prophecy because his non-eyes powers are less powerful than his eye powers, while arguing Obito isn't the man Naruto will face because his non-eye powers are more powerful than his eye powers. I argue that Obito is the man of prophecy (relies on his eyes) because Sasuke has more non-eye powers than Obito. Sasuke has a greater quantity of non-eye powers, whereas Obito has a greater quality in his one non-eye power. The fact that Sasuke would use his eyes powers more than his non-eyes powers has nothing to do with my argument. You have to analyze a character's full arsenal, not just the part that you think they would use. We have just two different measuring sticks. You never offered a counter argument to this. You just repeated what you already said. We have two different but valid ways of seeing something.
Here's a thread arguing Obito is the man of prophecy not Sasuke:

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I also notice you've also haven't formed a counter-argument to this Sasuke no longer being concerned with the past. If he wants revenge, he'd be concerned with the past. Right now he wants to delete the past. Does this mean he is a dark character? Yes, here's the part to pay attention. He is less dark. He's dark but less dark. He's given up revenge (no longer concern with the past, saves his comrades, smiles with Naruto, and fighting with the Leaf). That is progress. He is dark but less dark. They are varying levels of darkness, you don't seem to understand this. You say Sasuke is dark. Therefore, kill him. You refuse to acknowledge that progress. Naruto still needs to save him from darkness, but Sasuke has already made progress on his own. Yes, you're correct. Sasuke has dark goals but that doesn't mean Naruto will ignore Sasuke's progress like you and kill him. It means Naruto'll save him.

At one point, you said I said they wouldn't fight. I never said that.

Fine, here's the thread I made. it argues Sasuke will live and be saved based on the themes of Naruto

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edits:

Also, it took years for Madara to unlock Rinnegan from his EMS. How is Naruto going to both unlock and learn how to use it and be ready to fight Obito.
In fact, why does Naruto need the Rinnegan. He can harm Obito with Sage Jutsu. You don't abandon a perfectly functioning boat in order to get a new one that may be function perfectly in the middle a raging river
Sasuke is the second most important character in the entire series! He has his own arc to complete. He is not a plot device to make Naruto stronger.
What motive does Sasuke have for turning on them? He may be dark but he is on their side. In order for Naruto to fight him, Sasuke must turn on Naruto. He has no motivation to do this.
What motive does Naruto have to stop fighting Obito and start fighting Sasuke to get his eyes?

 

[Sageof7Path]

Fine, Obito didn't use sharingan to control ten tails. How does this affect my argument? a sentence is invalid. Literally nothing else is invalid. You harp on one thing while leaving the rest of my argument where the meat is intact and completely valid.

How does that quote affect your argument at all? I argued Sasuke was on his a way to redemption, while admitting he wasn't redeemed yet. I'm not contradicting myself. Five Kage Summit Sasuke = very dark. Current Sasuke = less dark. Why would Kishimoto make that change if Naruto wasn't going to save Sasuke. IF Naruto was going to kill Sasuke, have Five Kage Summit Sasuke show up, Naruto kills him and gets his eyes. Now, however, Sasuke is less dark.

Sasuke is a still a dark character. I admit but he less dark. He abandoned his team in the Five Kage Summit. He didn't care about his comrades. Now, he saved Sakura for no possible ulterior motives. He showed concern when Sai was falling. He is less dark. Ergo, he is less dark. He is on the way to redemption.


Naruto won't kill Sasuke. This is a very idealistic kid. He couldn't kill Pain who murdered his master and massacred his village, though he didn't even have a bond with Pain. Why would he kill Sasuke who he has a bond with and has committed less crimes than Pain, who he spared?

I notice you don't have a counter-argument to explain why Sasuke was smiling with Naruto. Do you have no proof Sasuke is as evil as you say he is? Let me explain again. I think Sasuke is still a dark character but less dark then Five Kage Summit and he is one the way to redemption. Because he is dark doesn't mean he is irredeemable. You refuse to acknowledge the little changes in Sasuke because they put holes in your argument.

Why do you refuse to acknowledge there can be two valid ways of seeing something? You say Sasuke is the man of prophecy because his non-eyes powers are less powerful than his eye powers, while arguing Obito isn't the man Naruto will face because his non-eye powers are more powerful than his eye powers. I argue that Obito is the man of prophecy (relies on his eyes) because Sasuke has more non-eye powers than Obito. Sasuke has a greater quantity of non-eye powers, whereas Obito has a greater quality in his one non-eye power. The fact that Sasuke would use his eyes powers more than his non-eyes powers has nothing to do with my argument. You have to analyze a character's full arsenal, not just the part that you think they would use. We have just two different measuring sticks. You never offered a counter argument to this. You just repeated what you already said. We have two different but valid ways of seeing something.
Here's a thread arguing Obito is the man of prophecy not Sasuke:

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I also notice you've also haven't formed a counter-argument to this Sasuke no longer being concerned with the past. If he wants revenge, he'd be concerned with the past. Right now he wants to delete the past. Does this mean he is a dark character? Yes, here's the part to pay attention. He is less dark. He's dark but less dark. He's given up revenge (no longer concern with the past, saves his comrades, smiles with Naruto, and fighting with the Leaf). That is progress. He is dark but less dark. They are varying levels of darkness, you don't seem to understand this. You say Sasuke is dark. Therefore, kill him. You refuse to acknowledge that progress. Naruto still needs to save him from darkness, but Sasuke has already made progress on his own. Yes, you're correct. Sasuke has dark goals but that doesn't mean Naruto will ignore Sasuke's progress like you and kill him. It means Naruto'll save him.

At one point, you said I said they wouldn't fight. I never said that.

Fine, here's the thread I made. it argues Sasuke will live and be saved based on the themes of Naruto

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Also, it took years for Madara to unlook Rinnegan from his EMS. How is Naruto going to both unlock and learn how to use it and be ready to fight Obito.
In fact, why does Naruto need the Rinnegan. He can harm Obito with Sage Jutsu. You don't abandon a perfectly functioning boat in order to get a new one that may be function perfectly in the middle a raging river

LOL how does it affect your argument? Where you not just trying to instill in my head that Obito was using the sharingan to control the 10 tails thus stating that "his power comes from his eyes" You asked me this it's exactly what you asked to "How do you know obito didn't use the sharingan to control the 10 tails"

Sasuke is not "less dark now" just minutes ago he wanted to destroy the entire leaf village! His feelings haven't changed
his goal did and like I said before he will attempt anything it takes to succeed even if it means he has to fight Naruto to the death. Let me ask you this. How do you know what he means by erasing the past? He didn't say it with a kind look on his face it seemed pretty dark to me. How do you know he wasn't talking about erasing his friendship in preparation to eventually clash with Naruto Uzimaki?

I know their are different levels of "being dark" I get that. What YOU don't get or what you refuse to get is that this doesn't apply to Sasuke. Sasuke Uchiha's goal has changed that's all. His feelings for anyone have not changed. There is absolutely zero and I've been having to repeat this and so many other statements for a couple of hours their is absolutely no indication from the manga that Sasuke has gone good. The only thing that he's shown is that he can fight for his own cause on the side of good if need be but I'm pretty freaking sure from the way that Sasuke has been acting that if he ever decides Naruto is in his way to become hokage or that the tailed beast are a problem then Naruto will most likely have to beat and kill Sasuke and that if Sasuke would end up not becoming hokage then Naruto would have to defend the village from him.

Again with you saying Naruto wont kill Sasuke we are going right back to where we started with this whole prophecy thing. You asked me how does obito not using sharingan affect your argument right? This was the thing we arguing over. We where arguing over who uses the "power of their eyes." Why where we arguing about that? We where arguing about that because you kept saying it was obito when I kept saying. No it can't be Obito Uchiha because Obito Uchiha is not getting his power from his eyes. He's getting his power from the 10 tails. Sasuke however right now is getting most of his power from his sharingan which is allowing him to keep up with Naruto and the other Kage's.

I don't except your ideas? You don't except that it can go either way. You want to know why I don't agree with what you said? It's because it comes across as being straight denial. I'm not sure how else to explain to you how the situation relates to the prophecy anymore because you just wont accept any other possible out come even if the prophesized opponent is obvious.

I'm trying to tell you why Sasuke is the one who was prophesized by the toad. Right now Sasuke relies so much on his eyes it's not funny and obito relies so much on the 10 tails I think he doesn't even care that he has sharingan or rinnegan. So tell me who fits the profile for Naruto's opponent? If there is anyone who Naruto is destine to fight and as you said it would be the one with the power in his eyes then it would LOGICALLY point directly to Sasuke Uchiha.

You must not have read most of my post any way I'm not concerned with Naruto getting the rinnegan I'm just most certain for a fact that this fight is going to happen and it will be to the death.

 

[uchihajaime]

LOL how does it affect your argument? Where you not just trying to instill in my head that Obito was using the sharingan to control the 10 tails thus stating that "his power comes from his eyes" You asked me this it's exactly what you asked to "How do you know obito didn't use the sharingan to control the 10 tails"

Sasuke is not "less dark now" just minutes ago he wanted to destroy the entire leaf village! His feelings haven't changed
his goal did and like I said before he will attempt anything it takes to succeed even if it means he has to fight Naruto to the death. Let me ask you this. How do you know what he means by erasing the past? He didn't say it with a kind look on his face it seemed pretty dark to me. How do you know he wasn't talking about erasing his friendship in preparation to eventually clash with Naruto Uzimaki?

I know their are different levels of "being dark" I get that. What YOU don't get or what you refuse to get is that this doesn't apply to Sasuke. Sasuke Uchiha's goal has changed that's all. His feelings for anyone have not changed. There is absolutely zero and I've been having to repeat this and so many other statements for a couple of hours their is absolutely no indication from the manga that Sasuke has gone good. The only thing that he's shown is that he can fight for his own cause on the side of good if need be but I'm pretty freaking sure from the way that Sasuke has been acting that if he ever decides Naruto is in his way to become hokage or that the tailed beast are a problem then Naruto will most likely have to beat and kill Sasuke and that if Sasuke would end up not becoming hokage then Naruto would have to defend the village from him.

Again with you saying Naruto wont kill Sasuke we are going right back to where we started with this whole prophecy thing. You asked me how does obito not using sharingan affect your argument right? This was the thing we arguing over. We where arguing over who uses the "power of their eyes." Why where we arguing about that? We where arguing about that because you kept saying it was obito when I kept saying. No it can't be Obito Uchiha because Obito Uchiha is not getting his power from his eyes. He's getting his power from the 10 tails. Sasuke however right now is getting most of his power from his sharingan which is allowing him to keep up with Naruto and the other Kage's.

I don't except your ideas? You don't except that it can go either way. You want to know why I don't agree with what you said? It's because it comes across as being straight denial. I'm not sure how else to explain to you how the situation relates to the prophecy anymore because you just wont accept any other possible out come even if the prophesized opponent is obvious.

I'm trying to tell you why Sasuke is the one who was prophesized by the toad. Right now Sasuke relies so much on his eyes it's not funny and obito relies so much on the 10 tails I think he doesn't even care that he has sharingan or rinnegan. So tell me who fits the profile for Naruto's opponent? If there is anyone who Naruto is destine to fight and as you said it would be the one with the power in his eyes then it would LOGICALLY point directly to Sasuke Uchiha.

You must not have read most of my post any way I'm not concerned with Naruto getting the rinnegan I'm just most certain for a fact that this fight is going to happen and it will be to the death.

1st paragraph: I admit you were correct. you lol. I literally have no words.

2nd: How do you know he wants to delete his friendship with Naruto? That's a double edged sword you're wielding there. I did state this was my interpretation of events. I, unlike you, didn't say it was fact.

3rd: Why did he save Sakura? If he was still utterly evil, why wasn't he like what he in the Five Kage Summit, and abandon her? Why did he show concern when Sai was falling? Unless you refute these points, your argument is invalid. why did Naruto sense Sasuke was less dark? That the final nail the coffin of your argument right there

4th: you restated your opinion again. You didn't offer any additional counter-argument.

5th: I never asked you to agree. I said some of your opinions were valid though I disagreed. It is possible to have 2 valid opinions

 

[Smd]

I never said he wouldn't win. I just said about the eye taking part.
P.S. Naruto says otherwise.

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this is what nb has turned into.

 

[Sageof7Path]

1st paragraph: I admit you were correct. you lol. I literally have no words.

2nd: How do you know he wants to delete his friendship with Naruto? That's a double edged sword you're wielding there. I did state this was my interpretation of events. I, unlike you, didn't say it was fact.

3rd: Why did he save Sakura? If he was still utterly evil, why wasn't he like what he in the Five Kage Summit, and abandon her? Why did he show concern when Sai was falling? Unless you refute these points, your argument is invalid. why did Naruto sense Sasuke was less dark? That the final nail the coffin of your argument right there

4th: you restated your opinion again. You didn't offer any additional counter-argument.

5th: I never asked you to agree. I said some of your opinions were valid though I disagreed. It is possible to have 2 valid opinions

Alright, I asked you how do you know do you know Sasuke didn't mean erasing his friendship with Naruto?" I never mentioned it being a fact. If that's not it please let me know what you meant by me proclaiming my ideas as facts.

I think Sasuke possibly saved Sakura out of instinct of saving your aly's during battle. I don't think he has any special feelings but again that's my theory. I also think it could have something to do with trying to get people to trust him while doing everything he can to raise his chances at becoming hokage. Which is also one of the reasons I think him and Naruto will clash to the death in the end.

Okay my counter argument isn't opinion. It's more of a LOGICAL predicition of what's going to happen you stated your prediction of what's going to happen. When something doesn't make sense to some one they're not gonna say oh well I agree to it.

I'm glad my speculation made sense to you but I have to be honest with you. Alright this goes right back to what we where talking about with the eye thing so I'd rather not repeat my self again. Hey it could go either way. It could be Naruto vs Obito or Naruto or Sasuke. I don't write the manga. I was just saying what makes sense to me that's all.

 

[Sageof7Path]

nice sig.

this is what nb has turned into.

What do you want to argue about?

 

[uchihajaime]

Alright, I asked you how do you know do you know Sasuke didn't mean erasing his friendship with Naruto?" I never mentioned it being a fact. If that's not it please let me know what you meant by me proclaiming my ideas as facts.

I think Sasuke possibly saved Sakura out of instinct of saving your aly's during battle. I don't think he has any special feelings but again that's my theory. I also think it could have something to do with trying to get people to trust him while doing everything he can to raise his chances at becoming hokage. Which is also one of the reasons I think him and Naruto will clash to the death in the end.

Okay my counter argument isn't opinion. It's more of a LOGICAL predicition of what's going to happen you stated your prediction of what's going to happen. When something doesn't make sense to some one they're not gonna say oh well I agree to it.

I'm glad my speculation made sense to you but I have to be honest with you. Alright this goes right back to what we where talking about with the eye thing so I'd rather not repeat my self again. Hey it could go either way. It could be Naruto vs Obito or Naruto or Sasuke. I don't write the manga. I was just saying what makes sense to me that's all.

Thanks for the logical reply. This positive rep will do away with what that -rep did.

1st. I thought you mentioned one of your statements being fact. I was fairly certain of it. Perhaps, the late night is getting to me.

2nd: valid point. However, the sheer fact that Sasuke is saving people is improvement. In the Five Kage Summit, he just abandoned Juugo and Suigetsu. Then he attempted to murder Karin, was about to finish the job, and ordered Sakura to kill the helpless girl. That is incredibly dark. Just the fact that he is sane enough to save allies is improvement. I agree he was just saving a comrade. There was no feelings there (this coming from a sasusaku shipper).
I do think Naruto and Sasuke will clash due to buildup, their different ideologies, and the fact that Naruto wants to save Sasuke from his darkness. His darkness is still there but it has lessened.

3rd: Okay, I accept that. I thought I backed up my opinions with sufficient evidence. I may not have. I did write a long but logical argument over why I think Sasuke will be redeemed and live. I put the link in one of my replies. It's also in my sig. If I forget to put in some evidence into my arguments on this thread, I can assure it's over in that. That thing took me so long to write.

4th: Naruto vs. Obito had better happen. Obito is Dark Naruto. Those two had better fight. I do want Naruto vs. Sasuke to happen after that. I just want Naruto to tnj Sasuke, not kill him.