Should a soon-to-be father get to say no if a woman wants an abortion?

[-Punk-]

Takes two to tango .

 

[Jin Hayami]

I don't think he should have a say in it, and for several reasons. One, it's not his vagina, and he's not gonna be the one that's going to carry it for nine months. Two, we have enough stupid people on the planet as it is, and one night stand babies are sure as hell not gonna figure out the cure for cancer.

For the most part, yes.

How many kids born from relationships have cured cancer? Oh yeah none.
Odds are by 2016 most kids will be born out of wed lock. Marriage doesn't mean shit to a lot of people anymore.
Leonardo da Vinci was born out of wed lock and he's one of the most talented geniuses of all time.
Ever hear of Confucius? Everyone else has.
The circumstances of someone's birth does not dictate their potential. Just because someone's parents might have been irresponsible or simply lacked a little in morals does not mean that they are any less or more likely to be intelligent or talented.
Now please stand up from your computer. Walk to the nearest wall. Then beat your head against it until the stupid falls out.

 

[Nous]

He should. He put the coin in the vending machine so the chips are just as much his as it is, hers. Sure, she's holding it but he helped make it. Without him, the kid wouldn't exist.

 

[Edo Odin]

While I do kind see the point of view of those who feel that he should be allowed to decide, I believe it should be up to her. He may be willing to have a child, but putting a woman through nine months of pain for something she doesn't want any part in is not something I feel can be considered fair. She's gonna have to be the one to deal with the pain, morning sickness, changes in diets and life habits, going through labor, and why? Because she accidentally got pregnant after having *** with a man who now insists on her having to deal with all these things despite her gaining nothing out of it? Doesn't make sense to me.

I see this as a similar situation as when a woman decides to keep a child while the father doesn't want to play a part in it while insisting on him taking part in that childs life. Ultimately, every person should be able to decide whether to become a parent or not. Being forced to go through pregnancy/raising a child just because the other person feels that it's the right thing to do is not right at all, if a person doesn't want to be a parent, he/she shouldn't have to go through it, simple as that.

If the guy involved wants a child so desperately, he should either find someone who feels the same way, or he should simply adopt. Forcing a woman to go through nine months of pain and annoyance for absolutely nothing is something I don't see the logicality in, and it does work both ways.

So no, I don't feel that the soon-to-be father should have a say in whether the woman goes through pregnancy and childbirth or not, if she isn't willing herself. Similarly, an unwilling father should not be forced to take part in raising a child when he doesn't want to become a father, just because the mother feels that it's right. To summarize, if you want a child so badly, find someone else who feels the same. Don't make others shoulder the burden alongside you if they're unwilling, something like that would simply be selfish.

-6 Paths out-​

 

[Yo pappy]

How many kids born from relationships have cured cancer? Oh yeah none.
Odds are by 2016 most kids will be born out of wed lock. Marriage doesn't mean shit to a lot of people anymore.
Leonardo da Vinci was born out of wed lock and he's one of the most talented geniuses of all time.
Ever hear of Confucius? Everyone else has.
The circumstances of someone's birth does not dictate their potential. Just because someone's parents might have been irresponsible or simply lacked a little in morals does not mean that they are any less or more likely to be intelligent or talented.
Now please stand up from your computer. Walk to the nearest wall. Then beat your head against it until the stupid falls out.

If you read what I posted you'd notice that I wasn't exclusively referring to children who were born outside of marriage, nor did I state that every child born from inadequate circumstances have no potential to succeed in life. However, I do believe that most kids who are born into relationships where the parents aren't able to provide the necessary guidance don't go on to live a productive lifestyle, and don't do anything to contribute to society. This not only applies to parents, but certain parts of the world where things like poverty, food shortage, and war predominates the population. Now, if you would be so kind as to stand up from your computer, and pull that stick out of your ass I would greatly appreciate it. I'm entitled to my own opinion, and if you don't like it you can go pound sand for all I care.

 

[Olorin]

His sperm, his baby.

Yes because We all know how hard it is for a man to contribute that! Thats an idiotic argument

I cant believe how ignorant ppl are of womens rights, no a man SHOULD NOT have a say in a decision that will completely change a womans life, only she gets to decide that, if a man wants a baby than he shouldnt have one night stands like that, he was perfectly aware to what it might lead to and im pretty sure that before they do it any man understands that that woman just wants to have some fun and NOT carry his baby for 9 months and ruin her career, her chance at relationships, go through an ordeal she doesnt want for 9 months, ... A man does NOT get to have fun and than hypocritically demand that the woman carry his baby for 9 months if she doesnt want to.

If a woman doesnt want to carry a baby she has every right not to, it is not up to evryone else to decide for her through never ending debates, its up to HER because its HER life

 

[Souji]

Of course the man should have say. Isn't that obvious?

 

[SmittenKitten]

The woman should have the choice. It's her vagina and overall her body that will be damaged and scarred .
Plus, it's not like they were in a long committed relationship..it was a one night stand for crying out loud!
If the tables were turned and the woman wanted the baby but the father didn't want to be involved in any part of it's life, i wouldn't blame him or criticizes him for not wanting the responsibility of raising a child .
If the guy wanted a kid so bad he should have been in a committed relationship with someone who feels the same way . And if he was against abortion, he shouldn't have had the one night stand in case his *** buddy disagreed =_=.

 

[Anorien16]

If he is willing to pay the Bills and make some recompense (9+ months of changed lifestyle + maternal leave etc doesn't come cheap) then he has valid argument but the choice is the woman's unless the man can gestate the baby himself ..... Otherwise one night stand is a one night stand not a long term commitment, or else every sperm donor has the right to custody for every probable child born due to his contribution or every random citizen has the right asking for a lot of money from a now millionaire friend just because you bought him a 10$ meal once.

 

[Olorin]

Of course the man should have say. Isn't that obvious?

Because all he did was shoot some sperm, and ofc that os very hard, also very painful as we all know (sarcasm ofc)

And now hes asking of the woman to change the rest of her life, he should have NO right to make the woman live the 9 months as he wants it, he is gonna do nothing while the woman is gonna do everything and thats why its 100% mothers choice, NOT HIS, NOT MINE, NOT YOURS, NOT THE CHOICE OF THE LAWMAKERS, NOT THE CHURCHES, BUT HERS AND HERS ALONE!!

If I when I was a fetus was aborted I wouldnt give a **** because I wouldnt be able to, and noone else would give a **** either except my parents, everyone else would just complain that abortion is legal but none of them would care that I (me personally, as an individual) particularly was aborted ... So the only ones who would care would be my parents and since my mother would nurture me for 9 months its her decision, my father ofc would have a say but only because they were together before that for a long tima and he could not overrule my mother anyway, the only impact his words would have would be on their relationship ... But everyone else who doesent even know who I am now that I have been alive for more than 2 decades I say f?ck off you dont have the right to decide anything about my birth or non birth for that matter

 

[Strict]

The women is the one to carry the child for 9 months, what is also connected to psychological pressure if the child is unwanted. Though on a moral perception somehow comprehensible as he could become father, he has no right to insist on her carrying the child out, it is her right to abort it.

 

[Jack Spicer]

He can ask that, but the decision is her as he body goes through the process of carrying and producing the baby. Maybe. Tough call.

 

[Mighty Curtain Messiah]

Her decision, of course.

Just because being a mother is harder during these 9 months? You can't date, drink, etc.. ?

 

[Trollasaur]

Yes. To deny a father of his own son is insane and cruel, if the mother doesn't want it she should give it up to to the father if he wants it, to do otherwise is some what ****ed up.

 

[-Tremendous-]

It's a tough decision cuz i am on both sides after reading your guys posts soo its actaully hard to decide on this matter it all depends of the man anyways..

 

[Olorin]

Yes. To deny a father of his own son is insane and cruel, if the mother doesn't want it she should give it up to to the father if he wants it, to do otherwise is some what ****ed up.

what if it was a daughter? Freudian slip?

it's not a child yet and if a man wants to have a baby he shouldn't be out scoring with women for a night

he won't do anything during the pregnancy because I'm pretty sure that a woman who would be forced against her will to carry a child for someone else won't allow that man to get close to her

it's neither insane nor cruel all that father contributed to the child was to have *** (which I'm pretty sure he didn't mind), but the woman on the other hand would have to carry the baby for 9 months and go through a lot of ordeals, not to mention her life would never be the same again, it's a womans choice, her body, her choice, only the woman gets to decide weather that man gets a say in it, not you and not me

on the other hand forcing someone to let you use their body for 9 months because of something you want ... now THAT is cruel, not to mention all the social and psychological applications a pregnancy brings with it, career, relationships, quality of life, mental state, ...

no one should have even a remote right to be able to force someone else to let them use their body in any way

 

[Trollasaur]

what if it was a daughter? Freudian slip?

it's not a child yet and if a man wants to have a baby he shouldn't be out scoring with women for a night

he won't do anything during the pregnancy because I'm pretty sure that a woman who would be forced against her will to carry a child for someone else won't allow that man to get close to her

it's neither insane nor cruel all that father contributed to the child was to have *** (which I'm pretty sure he didn't mind), but the woman on the other hand would have to carry the baby for 9 months and go through a lot of ordeals, not to mention her life would never be the same again, it's a womans choice, her body, her choice, only the woman gets to decide weather that man gets a say in it, not you and not me

on the other hand forcing someone to let you use their body for 9 months because of something you want ... now THAT is cruel, not to mention all the social and psychological applications a pregnancy brings with it, career, relationships, quality of life, mental state, ...

no one should have even a remote right to be able to force someone else to let them use their body in any way

lol for a mother to deny the father of his child is cruel I don't see how you think otherwise, the women shouldn't get the only word, it should be mitual.

 

[Olorin]

lol for a mother to deny the father of his child is cruel I don't see how you think otherwise, the women shouldn't get the only word, it should be mitual.

why should it be mutual if all the negatives are on the mothers side and all the gains on the fathers side? how is that fair?

also it's not a child yet, she's denying him the possibility to have a child and that is not cruel and even if someone thinks it is it is NOWHERE near as cruel as forcing a woman to let her body be used for 9 months and changing her life forever while she gains absolutely nothing

 

[Cornson]

I would say no, the man should not have a say in the matter.

however if he disagrees with the choice she makes, he should be able to opt out of the "relatioship (or what ever)" with the women (this would ofcause only be usefull if she choose to give birth to the baby) so the guy no longer will have to pay child support, as in having the same status as a sperm doner.

If the guy have no say in the birth or abortion, and disagree with the womens choice, then the man should not be forced to pay child suport.

 

[Trollasaur]

why should it be mutual if all the negatives are on the mothers side and all the gains on the fathers side? how is that fair?

also it's not a child yet, she's denying him the possibility to have a child and that is not cruel and even if someone thinks it is it is NOWHERE near as cruel as forcing a woman to let her body be used for 9 months and changing her life forever while she gains absolutely nothing

Because it's also his kid, and it's not the fathers fault alone, it's also the mothers.

How would you like it if you were a man and you were denied to see your kid live?

I would imagine you wouldn't like it.

Yeah sure it's gonna suck for the woman, but it's the right thing to do.