Yes ur right Tobi is refereng to Body flicker not FTG ........
Minato's FTG is advanced version of Tobirama ..there is no way Tobi's FTG>Minato's and What abt FTG level 2.....
Minato
Better FTG
Better Reflexes(Counters FTG slash )
Better Base speed
Sensor
Advantage with Kunai
I strongly belive that Minato is atleast capable of usng 2 Natures, so he'll do something to counter Tobi's water.......
Master of sealing Jutsu: Best Counter for EDO
That EDO blast wont work ,read todays Manga and u'll probably learn that....Attacks like that won't on Minato even after hitting him.......
Rasengan
That long Named jutsu that can solo Obito according to Minato
Minato ftg may be better but thats all he has rasengan, tobirama has the best suiton jutsu in the WHOLE manga plus he is able to use effective ninjutsu (turn paper bombs into a giant explosion.
Minato ftg may be better but thats all he has rasengan, tobirama has the best suiton jutsu in the WHOLE manga plus he is able to use effective ninjutsu (turn paper bombs into a giant explosion.
You guys are just too naive... FTG can't be better than someone elses... FTG concept is teleport to a marking lol.. just face the facts Tobirama > Minato..
You guys are just too naive... FTG can't be better than someone elses... FTG concept is teleport to a marking lol.. just face the facts Tobirama > Minato..
We can't say that yet.
But what we can say is that Tobirama won one battle of speed with him:
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Tobirama was able to grab the ball before Minato was (he was attempting to save his son and Sasuke by leaping away with it) and on the next page it shows all of their surprised faces.
After the latest chapter it is now official that Tobirama beats Minato. In this thread I will prove that Tobirama is now able to beat minato.
First Point: Flying Thunder God technique
After last chapter its confirmed that Tobirama's Flying thunder God is equal to Minato's... For those that disagree here is why: The only difference between Minato's FTG and Tobirama's FTG is the fact that Minato has hundreds of Kunai that he marks with his seal where as Tobirama physically marks things with contact. So, to sum it all up!
Both users require marks its just Minato puts his marks on Kunai. With these Kunai Minato is able to use FTG as an evasive/counter attacking form but there is nothing stopping Tobirama from doing the same.
Counter for FTG:
Suiton Ninjutsu:
It's been hyped and confirmed that Tobirama is one of the best Suiton users in the show and he has the ability to create water from nothing just like Kisame. With this ability Tobirama can use Suiton to his advantage to effectively negate FTG Kunai by blocking them entirely with Suiton water barrier:
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Also he has the ability to make FTG completely useless for Minato in the event the entire battlefield is Water.
Why you may ask? Here is why
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As you can see in this picture above Minato using his Kunai to mark his surrounding area and attack accordingly. But with suiton users there main advantage is turning the battleground into water.
Much like Tobirama did vs Hiruzen
In essence depending on how Much Water is needed. Tobirama could turn the battlefield into an all water terrain like this:
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^^ In a situation like that.. Minato teleporting to a kunai would potentially put him underwater or teleport him to floating FTG Kunai.. Either way Tobirama is at a huge advantage and Minato's FTG is utterly useless.
Tobirama Offensive Abilities:
Tobirama Offensive capabilities are truly above Minato's considering Minato only offensive weapons are Rasengan, Kunai, and Suicide Reaper death.
Tobirama has FTG Slash which is a straight foward flicker that was used to kill Izuna(Madara's Equal)
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With this it means he can offensively FTG Strike Minato without having him tagged.
Edo Tensei:
Lastly, although Tobirama's edo tensei is not as strong as Kabuto or Orochimaru. The purpose of his Edo tensei can still be deadly rather it be an elite ninja or a fodder ninja.
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With his edo tensei.. Tobirama could summon Edos from his past and use them as a means to setup for infinitely explosions.
In conclusion.. Tobirama overall defeats Minato with or without FTG.
1. Having kunai+FTG is a bigger advantage than you think. Whereas Tobirama would have to move to each location to set up his FTG points, Minato can do so with kunai immediately. How would this effect the fight between the 2? Minato can throw a kunai towards Tobirama as the fight begins before Tobirama has a chance and then FTG ransengan mark blitz him before he can mark locations or make handsigns for water style. Minato's jutsus were specifically designed to attack an opponent before handsigns can be used. Also, Minato's FTG was noted by Tobirama to be superior to his own(most likely faster).
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You may make the case of "it was body flicker, not FTG he was talking about." However, think about this. All the other hokage arrived at the same time as Tobirama. He shouldn't be shocked that, when all other hokages can keep up with him, that one of them is faster. Conclusion: Tobirama was using FTG to teleport the hokages to the battlefield and Tobirama was stating that Minato's FTG was better. If that's not good enough for you, body flicker is synonymous with teleport. FTG has been called body flicker before.
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It's very clear that Minato's FTG is leagues ahead of Tobirama's. It's certainly not just something like kunai.
2. AAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNDDDDD You're forgetting about space-time barrier. He can teleport to the water headed towards his kunai to locations that he's marked previously during his life.
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It's also confirmed he can teleport projectiles to one of his marks remotely without contact(most likely via kunai) like he did with Kurama's TBB.
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Flooding Minato's kunai is not an option. Also, Minato can use FTG LV2 to blitz Tobirama before he can form the hand signs for water style. That was the purpose of Minato's arsenal after all, to take out an enemy before there's a chance for hand signs.
3. FTG slash. You're contradicting yourself. You stated that FTG requires marks, now all of a sudden, Tobirama doesn't need them. There's no evidence whatsoever that Tobirama didn't mark Izuna during/before the fight. That's super speculation to say that Tobirama didn't use marks on Izuna.
Edo tensei: Again, FTG and space time barrier. Tobirama wouldn't get past that. Edo tensei also requires hand signs, which make it weak against Minato's style of fightning.
All in all, Tobirama requires far more prep for FTG than Minato, giving him the opportunity to blitz/mark Tobirama early on in the fight without a way for Tobirama to escape. Tobirama's jutsus require hand signs while Minato does not, enabling Minato to attack first or prevent Tobirama's jutsu. And lastly, Tobirama has nothing that can get past FTG and space-time barrier defenses. In the worst case scenario, it's a stalemate. Minato definitely wins.
1. Having kunai+FTG is a bigger advantage than you think. Whereas Tobirama would have to move to each location to set up his FTG points, Minato can do so with kunai immediately. How would this effect the fight between the 2? Minato can throw a kunai towards Tobirama as the fight begins before Tobirama has a chance and then FTG ransengan mark blitz him before he can mark locations or make handsigns for water style. Minato's jutsus were specifically designed to attack an opponent before handsigns can be used. Also, Minato's FTG was noted by Tobirama to be superior to his own(most likely faster).
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You may make the case of "it was body flicker, not FTG he was talking about." However, think about this. All the other hokage arrived at the same time as Tobirama. He shouldn't be shocked that, when all other hokages can keep up with him, that one of them is faster. Conclusion: Tobirama was using FTG to teleport the hokages to the battlefield and Tobirama was stating that Minato's FTG was better. If that's not good enough for you, body flicker is synonymous with teleport. FTG has been called body flicker before.
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It's very clear that Minato's FTG is leagues ahead of Tobirama's. It's certainly not just something like kunai.
2. AAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNDDDDD You're forgetting about space-time barrier. He can teleport to the water headed towards his kunai to locations that he's marked previously during his life.
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It's also confirmed he can teleport projectiles to one of his marks remotely without contact(most likely via kunai) like he did with Kurama's TBB.
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Flooding Minato's kunai is not an option. Also, Minato can use FTG LV2 to blitz Tobirama before he can form the hand signs for water style. That was the purpose of Minato's arsenal after all, to take out an enemy before there's a chance for hand signs.
3. FTG slash. You're contradicting yourself. You stated that FTG requires marks, now all of a sudden, Tobirama doesn't need them. There's no evidence whatsoever that Tobirama didn't mark Izuna during/before the fight. That's super speculation to say that Tobirama didn't use marks on Izuna.
Edo tensei: Again, FTG and space time barrier. Tobirama wouldn't get past that. Edo tensei also requires hand signs, which make it weak against Minato's style of fightning.
All in all, Tobirama requires far more prep for FTG than Minato, giving him the opportunity to blitz/mark Tobirama early on in the fight without a way for Tobirama to escape. Tobirama's jutsus require hand signs while Minato does not, enabling Minato to attack first or prevent Tobirama's jutsu. And lastly, Tobirama has nothing that can get past FTG and space-time barrier defenses. In the worst case scenario, it's a stalemate. Minato definitely wins.
I stopped reading at bold.. you forget Tobirama was faster than minato when he caught obito's bomb and transported it back to him. Also you are taking this battle on as a means of FTG vs FTG when it is not FTG vs FTG as most minato fanboys put it
Tobirama being faster than minato:
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it's FTG, Suiton (Best for this battle), and Edo Tensei vs Minato FTG and Rasengan
Water is extremely underrated in your logica especially since it can be used to shift the battleground and block attacks. Minato speed means nothing under water...
my point still stands regarding kunai... there is nothing stopping Tobirama from marking his own kunai with FTG
So, people who were capable of taking down the Nidaime Hokage and six Hokage candidates (the strongest Akimichi we've ever seen, even without feats) are fodders now?
Are you implying that Konohagakure was weak at that point of time? When they had the Senju and the Uchiha under their belt?
I stopped reading at bold.. you forget Tobirama was faster than minato when he caught obito's bomb and transported it back to him. Also you are taking this battle on as a means of FTG vs FTG when it is not FTG vs FTG as most minato fanboys put it
it's FTG, Suiton (Best for this battle), and Edo Tensei vs Minato FTG and Rasengan
Water is extremely underrated in your logica especially since it can be used to shift the battleground and block attacks. Minato speed means nothing under water...
my point still stands regarding kunai... there is nothing stopping Tobirama from marking his own kunai with FTG
Tobirama is not faster than Minato. We did not see Minato reaching for it at the same time as Tobirama, so this is inconclusive. This is like the time when those idiots said that Sasuke is faster than KCM Naruto because he reached Sakura first. Also, Minato was reaching for the orb, Tobirama might have used body flicker.
The rest of you post is a classic example of why people need to read posts all the way carefully.
I doubt that Tobirama can put marks on kunai. That's something unique to Minato as far as we know. Also, we haven't seen Tobirama do so. When Minato threw a kunai at Obito, he said "FTG LV 2" Indicating that you need an entirely different level of FTG to teleport to a moving object, or a kunai at all.
So, people who were capable of taking down the Nidaime Hokage and six Hokage candidates (the strongest Akimichi we've ever seen, even without feats) are fodders now?
Are you implying that Konohagakure was weak at that point of time? When they had the Senju and the Uchiha under their belt?
Darui soloed Kin brothers your point? Minato soloed Ay + Bee and Kurama + Obito meaning opponents doesn't bother Minato as much because the listed Combos he has soloed are @ the top of the food chain U_U
Water style is useless against Minato as well since it requires like, 5 hand signs and Minato can FTG 2 blitz Tobirama during that time period. the second reason why it doesn't work is that Minato can teleport the water away as soon as it reaches his kunai.
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Reason 3 is that Minato can mark the ground itself, which isn't getting washed away by water style.
After the latest chapter it is now official that Tobirama beats Minato. In this thread I will prove that Tobirama is now able to beat minato.
First Point: Flying Thunder God technique
After last chapter its confirmed that Tobirama's Flying thunder God is equal to Minato's... For those that disagree here is why: The only difference between Minato's FTG and Tobirama's FTG is the fact that Minato has hundreds of Kunai that he marks with his seal where as Tobirama physically marks things with contact. So, to sum it all up!
Both users require marks its just Minato puts his marks on Kunai. With these Kunai Minato is able to use FTG as an evasive/counter attacking form but there is nothing stopping Tobirama from doing the same.
Tobirama reaction time is faster than Minato
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Counter for FTG:
Suiton Ninjutsu:
It's been hyped and confirmed that Tobirama is one of the best Suiton users in the show and he has the ability to create water from nothing just like Kisame. With this ability Tobirama can use Suiton to his advantage to effectively negate FTG Kunai by blocking them entirely with Suiton water barrier:
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Also he has the ability to make FTG completely useless for Minato in the event the entire battlefield is Water.
Why you may ask? Here is why
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As you can see in this picture above Minato using his Kunai to mark his surrounding area and attack accordingly. But with suiton users there main advantage is turning the battleground into water.
Much like Tobirama did vs Hiruzen
In essence depending on how Much Water is needed. Tobirama could turn the battlefield into an all water terrain like this:
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^^ In a situation like that.. Minato teleporting to a kunai would potentially put him underwater or teleport him to floating FTG Kunai.. Either way Tobirama is at a huge advantage and Minato's FTG is utterly useless.
Tobirama Offensive Abilities:
Tobirama Offensive capabilities are truly above Minato's considering Minato only offensive weapons are Rasengan, Kunai, and Suicide Reaper death.
Tobirama has FTG Slash which is a straight foward flicker that was used to kill Izuna(Madara's Equal)
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With this it means he can offensively FTG Strike Minato without having him tagged.
Edo Tensei:
Lastly, although Tobirama's edo tensei is not as strong as Kabuto or Orochimaru. The purpose of his Edo tensei can still be deadly rather it be an elite ninja or a fodder ninja.
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With his edo tensei.. Tobirama could summon Edos from his past and use them as a means to setup for infinitely explosions.
In conclusion.. Tobirama overall defeats Minato with or without FTG.
You are a S rank fool! first of all. Edo Tensei don't mean shit to Minato. The Edo Tensei is a summoning technique and oh wait! doesn't Minato have the contract seal. of which the main function is to seperate the link between summoner and summon? explain how does Tobirama control his edos if Minato can simply remove his control with the contract seal/ i"ll tell you the answer, HE CAN'T!
Suiton Barrier against FTG! another stupid argument! Minato is superior to Tobirama because he has FTG VERSION TWO! YES, the one you oh so conveniently forgot about! Version Two allows Minato to teleport even with a moving kunai. The suiton barrier aint stopping no FTG kunais. the suiton barrier will just get warped by the moving kunais with FTG version two and the kunais will carry on with their path to Tobirama.
Minato can warp anything that touches him or his chakra, the kunais have his chakra on the FTG seal, therefore blocking the kunais with anything is impossible as watever touches them gets warped.
Better check your facts again before you start spewing garbage.
Tobirama and Minato's FTGs aren't at the same level, Minato has version 2, hiraishin kunais, and Teleportation Barrier. he's also faster in shunshin (Tobirama even admitted this himself a few chapters ago), and his reflexes are the best. the Best possible result Tobirama can hope for is a stalemate, otherwise he loses.
An that shit you mentioned aint Minato's only offensive arsenal, he also has the toads, Ma and Pa included. just coz he doesn't use em don't mean he can't summon them, he did sign the toad contract after all, and Naruto has never summoned them himself before, doesn't mean he can't if he wanted to.
Darui soloed Kin brothers your point? Minato soloed Ay + Bee and Kurama + Obito meaning opponents doesn't bother Minato as much because the listed Combos he has soloed are @ the top of the food chain U_U
