Tobirama is not faster than Minato. We did not see Minato reaching for it at the same time as Tobirama, so this is inconclusive. This is like the time when those idiots said that Sasuke is faster than KCM Naruto because he reached Sakura first. Also, Minato was reaching for the orb, Tobirama might have used body flicker.
The rest of you post is a classic example of why people need to read posts all the way carefully.
I doubt that Tobirama can put marks on kunai. That's something unique to Minato as far as we know. Also, we haven't seen Tobirama do so. When Minato threw a kunai at Obito, he said "FTG LV 2" Indicating that you need an entirely different level of FTG to teleport to a moving object, or a kunai at all.
That's illogical to say considering if you can mark a person you can mark an object... if anything it would be harder to mark a person rather than an object. Version 2 FTG is something that would help him but considering Edo tensei summons can destroy kunai through explosions or simply use Suiton to wash Kunai away. It does not matter.
Darui soloed Kin brothers your point? Minato soloed Ay + Bee and Kurama + Obito meaning opponents doesn't bother Minato as much because the listed Combos he has soloed are @ the top of the food chain U_U
That's illogical to say considering if you can mark a person you can mark an object... if anything it would be harder to mark a person rather than an object. Version 2 FTG is something that would help him but considering Edo tensei summons can destroy kunai through explosions or simply use Suiton to wash Kunai away. It does not matter.
In the end Tobirama will beat Minato.
haha Tobirama plot sacraficed himself so Danzo and Hiruzen could ruin the village XD
I stopped reading at bold.. you forget Tobirama was faster than minato when he caught obito's bomb and transported it back to him. Also you are taking this battle on as a means of FTG vs FTG when it is not FTG vs FTG as most minato fanboys put it
Actually when Tobirama arrived to catch Obitos bomb he used a body flicker. To use FTG you have to have a mark placed on the target, which Tobirama did not have at the time. He used FTG after he caught the bomb when he appeared behind Obito. And since you admitted that Minato's body flicker is superior to Tobirama, it's illogical to use that example to prove your point. As far as FTG goes I'm on the side that says both are equal and the winner is whoever has the faster reflexes. Unless Minato V2 is superior to FTG which I cannot prove.
I don´t know if Tobirama is stronger than Minato since they have both shown to be mega beasts from hell.It could go either way in my opinion but one thing does come to mind.
Is it me or does Hiruzen look like the fodder in the Hokages group? You see Hashirama(and shinobi still get shocked in awe when they see the extent of his powers,facing Edo-Rinne-Mokuton Madara ALONE)...Then you see Minato and Tobirama(using S/T jutsu in insane ways) teaming up against Juubito to create openings for Naruto and Sasuke to hit him (as if it is easy right?)....And then there´s Hiruzen...using his um...Shuriken clone Jutsu?...I mean MAYBE just maybe he will show something but i highly doubt it at this point.
I think they are two great ninja to tell the truth. Both of them teleporting all over the place would be fun . I think it could go either way. I am sure since he is the creator and all that he has a few other tricks.
people under and overrate both hokages. Since tobirama has commented multiple times about minatos fast reaction time, i assume minato is faster still. But tobirama is still strong and fast. Just like tobirama has many suiton techniques, minato has many unknown techniques(and sealing techniques)
In a 1v1 fight between tobirama and minato, it might very well be a tie.
It is possible, that minato could ftg tobiramas water away(in a water battle field), or even just seal it.
Tobirama would be unable to do edo tensei, because all versions have shown they require a liveing sacrifice to summon.
I think both hokages are strong, both many times they are under and overrated.
Actually when Tobirama arrived to catch Obitos bomb he used a body flicker. To use FTG you have to have a mark placed on the target, which Tobirama did not have at the time. He used FTG after he caught the bomb when he appeared behind Obito. And since you admitted that Minato's body flicker is superior to Tobirama, it's illogical to use that example to prove your point. As far as FTG goes I'm on the side that says both are equal and the winner is whoever has the faster reflexes. Unless Minato V2 is superior to FTG which I cannot prove.
THe problem is everyone does Minato vs Tobirama = FTG vs FTG when Tobirama clearly has a superior arsenal of other jutsu IE Water jutsu.. Suiton would be Minato's major weakness in a fight
After the latest chapter it is now official that Tobirama beats Minato. In this thread I will prove that Tobirama is now able to beat minato.
First Point: Flying Thunder God technique
After last chapter its confirmed that Tobirama's Flying thunder God is equal to Minato's... For those that disagree here is why: The only difference between Minato's FTG and Tobirama's FTG is the fact that Minato has hundreds of Kunai that he marks with his seal where as Tobirama physically marks things with contact. So, to sum it all up!
Both users require marks its just Minato puts his marks on Kunai. With these Kunai Minato is able to use FTG as an evasive/counter attacking form but there is nothing stopping Tobirama from doing the same.
Tobirama reaction time is faster than Minato
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Counter for FTG:
Suiton Ninjutsu:
It's been hyped and confirmed that Tobirama is one of the best Suiton users in the show and he has the ability to create water from nothing just like Kisame. With this ability Tobirama can use Suiton to his advantage to effectively negate FTG Kunai by blocking them entirely with Suiton water barrier:
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Also he has the ability to make FTG completely useless for Minato in the event the entire battlefield is Water.
Why you may ask? Here is why
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As you can see in this picture above Minato using his Kunai to mark his surrounding area and attack accordingly. But with suiton users there main advantage is turning the battleground into water.
Much like Tobirama did vs Hiruzen
In essence depending on how Much Water is needed. Tobirama could turn the battlefield into an all water terrain like this:
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^^ In a situation like that.. Minato teleporting to a kunai would potentially put him underwater or teleport him to floating FTG Kunai.. Either way Tobirama is at a huge advantage and Minato's FTG is utterly useless.
Tobirama Offensive Abilities:
Tobirama Offensive capabilities are truly above Minato's considering Minato only offensive weapons are Rasengan, Kunai, and Suicide Reaper death.
Tobirama has FTG Slash which is a straight foward flicker that was used to kill Izuna(Madara's Equal)
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With this it means he can offensively FTG Strike Minato without having him tagged.
Edo Tensei:
Lastly, although Tobirama's edo tensei is not as strong as Kabuto or Orochimaru. The purpose of his Edo tensei can still be deadly rather it be an elite ninja or a fodder ninja.
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With his edo tensei.. Tobirama could summon Edos from his past and use them as a means to setup for infinitely explosions.
In conclusion.. Tobirama overall defeats Minato with or without FTG.
You make a pretty good point and I must say I agree with you Tobirama is probably stronger than Minato after what we just saw. Atleast as long as we're talking about living Minato.
Variety doesn't mater if each one of Tobirama's jutsus cannot get through Minato's defenses. Really, Tobirama has nothing that can get past his defenses. All that really matters in a fight is a good jutsu, and the skill to adapt it to many situations. Naruto and his shadow clones are a fine example.
Variety doesn't mater if each one of Tobirama's jutsus cannot get through Minato's defenses. Really, Tobirama has nothing that can get past his defenses. All that really matters in a fight is a good jutsu, and the skill to adapt it to many situations. Naruto and his shadow clones are a fine example.
Minato has no defense... ITs only FTG teleporting which Tobirama does as well.. Besides no one understands the concept of Suiton > FTG Kunai... IF Tobirama uses suiton to flood out all of minato Kunais or use suiton barrier to block all close range kunai... Minato is left with nothing but rasengan... That's the point of this thread its not about Variety its about using knowledge based on both users. Minato only has FTG.. Tobirama has FTG and Suiton which is most effective against Minato.
Minato has no defense... ITs only FTG teleporting which Tobirama does as well.. Besides no one understands the concept of Suiton > FTG Kunai... IF Tobirama uses suiton to flood out all of minato Kunais or use suiton barrier to block all close range kunai... Minato is left with nothing but rasengan... That's the point of this thread its not about Variety its about using knowledge based on both users. Minato only has FTG.. Tobirama has FTG and Suiton which is most effective against Minato.
