[war arc] Kakashi vs Itachi

[slimreaper]

Kakashi wins(probably high difficulty)

Taijutsu - Speed:

We've already seen in part2 that Kakashi was able to keep up with him

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Jutsu speed:

Itachi is always hyped because of his jutsu speed, but himself was fooled by Kakashi's jutsu speed in more than one occasion. Itachi was sure pretty fast, so fast that Kakashi had difficulties to follow like he says, but notice that he was still able to know all what Itachi did, to know where is the Kage Bunshin and even fooled Itachi with his own water clone in part1:

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Here you can see Itachi fooled by Kakashi's Kage Bunshin in part2:

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He even admits here that Kakashi did it too fast that he didn't realised in time and acknowledge that Kakashi is a skillfull jutsu user

Ninjutsu:

I believe Kakashi has the edge in this category simply because he has shown much more jutsus, and can manipulate 3affinities(4 if we count the katon he used in anime), when Itachi has 2(katon or suiton).

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Itachi has not shown to be very skilled in suiton however. I think his only suiton technique we've seen is the suiton underfooted:

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On the other hand, Kakashi's skills in suiton even impressed Kisame so much that he considered Kakashi's suiton on the same level of kirigakures ninjas. Even able to replicate Kisame's jutsu(an expert in water style technique) perfectly with the same power

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Like he also did against Zabuza as well(copying 2major suiton attacks perfectly)

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Later in the fight against Kakuzu, he has shown to be able to create a sourceless water style ninjutsu able to counter a combo of Katon and fuuton attacks

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Itachi on the other hand has shown katon attacks

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Or even incorporate katon in his shurikens while in close combat

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But since i believe Kakashi has displayed more powerful suiton attacks in terms of scale, plus the fact that suiton > katon, i believe Kakashi would have the edge

Besides, Kakashi has also shown a doton wall which could also counter Itachi's katons along with other attacks as well

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He has also shown that he could take advantage of the scale of Itachi's katon to hide underground and surprise him

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He also has powerful raiton element techniques and his jutsu speed with this element is so fast that sometimes we don't even see him using handseals like in the latest chapter for example

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His raiden is really dangerous since Kakashi seems to be able to increase the scale of the jutsu as will and since he can travel with it, it would be difficult for an opponent to dodge. It was even so strong that it was able to cut through V2 Jinchurikis shrouds with relativ ease

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I can also talk about his long range lightning wolf he seems to be able to control over a certain distance

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Along with plenty other jutsus Kakashi has used or can use in this manga

So i believe Kakashi would have a great advantage in ninjutsu to say the least

Genjutsu:

This is probably Itachi's greatest weapon and it's obvious that he owns Kakashi in this category. His feats are incredible, even able to paralyse someone like Orochimaru in a genjutsu

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Or against Deidara also

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But all of them didn't had knowledge on it, like they also didn't had sharingan. Later we've seen that Deidara said he trained to counter Itachi's genjutsus after having some knowledge on it

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While less impressiv, Kakashi has also shown to be able to use Sharingan genjutsu even knocking out 2Anbus with it or fooling Zabuza to make him believe he sees future

With Sharingan, Kakashi stated he could counter Itachi's genjutsus something that Itachi smh agreed with, only problem was that it wasn't a basic sharingan but a Mangekyou Sharingan technique, his powerful tsukuyomi

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So it's safe to say that Kakashi's sharingan could see thru non-MS Itachi's genjutsus without problems

Knowledge:

- Tsukuyomi: Here you can notice that he knows Tsukuyomi that much that he can explain advantage and side effects of the technique and Itachi himself praise him for his great analysis after just confronting his attack once

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- Amaterasu: Kakashi also already knows about Amaterasu

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He has even already seen it

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- Susanoo: Kakashi already saw it against Sasuke

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Or even currently against Madara, so it's a jutsu Kakashi already knows very well. He may not know about the items though(totsuka and yata)

- Kamui: Itachi on the other hand doesn't know kamui(at least from what we know). Only thing he possibly knows is that Kakashi has MS

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Overall i think Kakashi has the knowledge advantage here

MS counters:

- Tsukuyomi:

There is a possibility that even if smh Kakashi was caught by tsukuyomi, he could resist it via MS. In part1, he was able to withstand it and even managed to speak for a while before collapsing with a mere Sharingan, and that was a 72h tsukuyomi, so with MS, i think he would have greater resistant to it and possibly even counter it

Also, like Kakashi says himself here, there is nothing to worry about if you avoid direct eye contact

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Kakashi developped another counter while fighting Itachi and his tsukuyomi and it relies on the use of kage bunshin and like i've stated earlier, it was even able to fool Itachi

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- Susanoo:

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All Susanoo jutsus are chakra based and we've seen that Kakashi was able to warp it away with kamui

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Now what i'm unsure is concerning the items. Are they material or immaterial? If they are material, then if Kakashi warps them, Itachi should not be able to use them anymore, which means his Susanoo's power would greatly decrease after that

Other possible counters would be attacking him from underground. Like Gaara helped us to know, we know that Susanoo's weakness is from underground

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Something that someone as analytic as Kakashi who even already encountered Susanoo once(against Sasuke) would quickly notice and take into consideration. While in Susanoo, the users reaction time decreases like Kabuto mentioned and this is probably because of the strain on the user while maintaining it.

Kakashi has already shown jutsus to attack from underground which could be very effectiv(here Itachi just reacted in time)

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Here you can notice that Deva didn't even had time to react only saved later by Shinra tensei, a jutsu you can use without even lifting a finger

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He has also shown a summoning jutsu tracking fang technique that could attack from underground as well

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So ultimately Kakashi's doton techniques should also help him to go through Susanoo

- Amaterasu:

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Besides the fact that Amaterasu needs concentration, especially in Itachi's case, i believe Kamui is a great counter for Amaterasu. I see no reasons why Kamui couldn't just warp it away even if the kamui user is caught by the jutsu. We've already seen that Kakashi was prepared to warp it away with his Mangekyou

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Obito was caught by the jutsu while offguard and remained unarmed

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Something in kamui's databook always bothered me and it's this:

I always wonthered what they meant by "the barrier's location and size can be specified at will". Does that mean that while Kamui activated, Kakashi could redirect it everywhere he wants?

Then came the latest chapter, where we've seen that Kakashi able to warp himself, which shows that he is able to control the location of the barrier so that he could pull himself in the space time distortion

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By doing this, he can either teleport in the other dimension to simply avoid it or modify the position of the space time distortion to warp everything around him(Amaterasu especially)

Kage Bunshin is also a great counter for this jutsu, a jutsu that Kakashi uses very often in his fight

- Kamui:

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Since it's a dojutsu attack that appears where the target aim at, i believe that Susanoo wouldn't change a thing especially when we know that the location and size of the barrier can change as will. The fact that Itachi doesn't even have knowledge on it would make it even more difficult for Itachi since he doesn't even know what he would be fighting

Kamui's speed was so fast that even a self kamui user with Sharingan and Rinnengan activated, wasn't able to notice when BM Naruto got warped by it

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So ultimately i believe Itachi's only counter for Kamui is kage bunshin, and he has shown insane speed even able to fool

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. So it could be a great counter for his kamui. Problem is that, Itachi has no knowledge, so how why will he want to dodge an attack he doesn't even know? Also, Kakashi has shown to be able

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since part1, so it's not even sure he could fool Kakashi with it

Side effects of jutsus:

In Itachi's case:

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After each MS attacks, Itachi feels the strain of his MS techniques and that since part1

After the tsukuyomi, notice how tired Itachi is(symbols around him is to show someone almost out of breath), even sweating and Kisame even warns him from not using it too much

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And after Amaterasu, he needed to turn off his sharingan and take a rest somewhere for a while

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In part2, during the fight against Sasuke, you can notice that after the tsukuyomi he even had difficulties to stand and was holding his eye:

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After the second amaterasu he collapsed

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And his stamina decreased so much that he wasn't even able to avoid a katon attack later anymore

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Sasuke even noticed that as well("that second Amaterasu took a lot of you")

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And he died while holding Susanoo

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In Kakashi's case:

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It was also the case for Kakashi before who even died because of the use of his kamuis against Pain, but it seems that current Kakashi can resist against the strain much more better. Using Kamui 5 or 6times(along with other taxing jutsus like Raikiri, etc) and still standing while only collapsing during the 4th or 5th use of it

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What's even funny is that while fighting the tailed beasts, so before using all those techniques, he was stating to be worried concerning his chakra level probably after fighting one day long against swordsmen, white Zetsus, etc

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So with all that, i think it's safe to assume that Kakashi handles MS techniques and his side effects even better than alive Itachi. Kakashi's stamina eventhough it's nothing compared to ninjas like Naruto, Raikage or even Jiraya, is still greater than Itachi's going by feats and it's even supported by databook states which also consider Kakashi's stamina as greater(3 for Kakashi, 2,5 for Itachi)

most of this is kakashi fighting a clone not even trying so your shit is mostly pointless

 

[Bogard]

most of this is kakashi fighting a clone not even trying so your shit is mostly pointless

I know arguing with Uchiha wankers like you is meaningless, but i'll just give you some piece of information you may lack

1- Pain's technique create a copy perfectly identical to the original(jutsu, weapons and so on). But for that a quantity of chakra from the original is used beforehand. When the quantity of chakra runs out, the technique is cancelled. In this case, Itachi's copy had 30% of his chakra

2- The copy is controlled from far distance by the real ones, so in the area where i talked about intelligence, it's the real one that got outsmarted there

3- Going by your logic, it was Kakashi's clone that Itachi was fighting as well at the beginning of my arguments

4- All my arguments aren't only coming from that fight at the start of Shippuden

5- So next time before posting your usual wank posts, at least try to read carefully, or don't quote me again

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Solid work as usual, Bogart.

You're preaching to the wrong fanboys, though.

There are logical fans and there are fapboys.

I'll let you guess which type those are.

 

[slimreaper]

I know arguing with Uchiha wankers like you is meaningless, but i'll just give you some piece of information you may lack

1- Pain's technique create a copy perfectly identical to the original(jutsu, weapons and so on). But for that a quantity of chakra from the original is used beforehand. When the quantity of chakra runs out, the technique is cancelled. In this case, Itachi's copy had 30% of his chakra

2- The copy is controlled from far distance by the real ones, so in the area where i talked about intelligence, it's the real one that got outsmarted there

3- Going by your logic, it was Kakashi's clone that Itachi was fighting as well at the beginning of my arguments

4- All my arguments aren't only coming from that fight at the start of Shippuden

5- So next time before posting your usual wank posts, at least try to read carefully, or don't quote me again

show me itachi truly trying against kakashi and him not ending up basically a vegetable
no clones. don't worry ill wait
until kakashi becomes an uchiha tsukuyomi makes him a fodder every time

 

[AGoodBoy]

I know arguing with Uchiha wankers like you is meaningless, but i'll just give you some piece of information you may lack

1- Pain's technique create a copy perfectly identical to the original(jutsu, weapons and so on). But for that a quantity of chakra from the original is used beforehand. When the quantity of chakra runs out, the technique is cancelled. In this case, Itachi's copy had 30% of his chakra

2- The copy is controlled from far distance by the real ones, so in the area where i talked about intelligence, it's the real one that got outsmarted there

3- Going by your logic, it was Kakashi's clone that Itachi was fighting as well at the beginning of my arguments

4- All my arguments aren't only coming from that fight at the start of Shippuden

5- So next time before posting your usual wank posts, at least try to read carefully, or don't quote me again

not only did itachi not use any of his usual jutsu (genjutsu clones, shadow clones, etc), itachi also smiled at the end - AKA, itachi was just playing his part for akatsuki and wanted to lose. Itachi was a spy, of course a spy would do what it takes not to blow his cover

Even their first encounter, kakashi couldn't see a thing itachi did. he only created the mizubushin under the cover of the water wall because kakashi is very cautious and was wary of what itachi would be doing since he couldn't even see what the guy did. Kakashi dropped under the water and left a mizubushin as a precaution but probably saw the real itachi pop up behind his clone when he went under after creating the mizubushin. There is no way kakashi could see through a shadow clone with sharingan, and itachi never made a clone beforehand, that was kakashi.

Not only is your wall of text pointless, but itachi has always taken it easy on kakashi just to play his part in akatsuki, and still gave kakashi a hard time. The outcome should be so obvious it's retarded that people think kakashi has a chance - even a blind sasuke who has no where near the skill of itachi almost capped him with an arrow.

EDIT: Not even jiraiya itachi took seriously and jiraiya has a FARRRRRR better shot than kakashi.

Solid work as usual, Bogart.

You're preaching to the wrong fanboys, though.

There are logical fans and there are fapboys.

I'll let you guess which type those are.

Yes, We're logical, and you're a fapboy. Kamui GG was it? `Amaterasu GG, Tsukuyomi GG, Totsuka GG, Kunai GG. You're just mad that itachi is so obviously > kakashi even when he barely tried against him.
I think you're even one of those same people who thinks kakashi can take on Pain. At least i'm not that ignorant with itachi.

/truth

 

[pateuvasiliu]

just mad that itachi is so obviously > kakashi even when he barely tried against him.

The only thing Itachi has over Kakashi is genjutsu and the Sharingan sees through it.

I don't get what's so obvious.

 

[Anub]

I know arguing with Uchiha wankers like you is meaningless, but i'll just give you some piece of information you may lack

1- Pain's technique create a copy perfectly identical to the original(jutsu, weapons and so on). But for that a quantity of chakra from the original is used beforehand. When the quantity of chakra runs out, the technique is cancelled. In this case, Itachi's copy had 30% of his chakra

2- The copy is controlled from far distance by the real ones, so in the area where i talked about intelligence, it's the real one that got outsmarted there

3- Going by your logic, it was Kakashi's clone that Itachi was fighting as well at the beginning of my arguments

4- All my arguments aren't only coming from that fight at the start of Shippuden

5- So next time before posting your usual wank posts, at least try to read carefully, or don't quote me again

Yo, no offense my man, but you need to learn the difference between fighting an enemy (where you want to win) and fighting an aly (where you want to lose). I used to hate it (still do) when people would argue that Sasuke actually beat Itachi due to his own merit. No, Itachi wanted to lose most of the fights in the manga! This is what most of you need to know and acknowledge. Then we can start discussing manga facts.

 

[slimreaper]

The only thing Itachi has over Kakashi is genjutsu and the Sharingan sees through it.

I don't get what's so obvious.

Not without Uchiha blood, it doesn't.

 

[Penguin]

Kakashi wins imo.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Not without Uchiha blood, it doesn't.

Regular genjutsu, he can break easily.

Tsukuyomi is simply avoided. The only reason he got caught in Part 1 was that he thought regular Sharingan can break it.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Yo, no offense my man, but you need to learn the difference between fighting an enemy (where you want to win) and fighting an aly (where you want to lose). I used to hate it (still do) when people would argue that Sasuke actually beat Itachi due to his own merit. No, Itachi wanted to lose most of the fights in the manga! This is what most of you need to know and acknowledge. Then we can start discussing manga facts.

This is what the haters don't want to admit. They can admit people like obito, madara and hashi are top top 3, but by god it's torture to admit itachi is top 10. They look for all sorts of excuse even after he's never really tried at all in the manga and still wrecked just about everyone. He even almost no diff solo'd an akatsuki member(deidara) with intent to recruit/

 

[slimreaper]

Regular genjutsu, he can break easily.

Tsukuyomi is simply avoided. The only reason he got caught in Part 1 was that he thought regular Sharingan can break it.

he can't win if he isn't looking at kakashi

 

[pateuvasiliu]

pateuvasiliu you are ****ing idiot plssss killl yourself plsss plsssss Tatsuka gg amaterasu gg is much better than u .

report post, move on, don't give a flying fu ck.

 

[adeshina365]

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fanboying Kakashi as usual.

 

[adeshina365]

I know arguing with Uchiha wankers like you is meaningless, but i'll just give you some piece of information you may lack

1- Pain's technique create a copy perfectly identical to the original(jutsu, weapons and so on). But for that a quantity of chakra from the original is used beforehand. When the quantity of chakra runs out, the technique is cancelled. In this case, Itachi's copy had 30% of his chakra

2- The copy is controlled from far distance by the real ones, so in the area where i talked about intelligence, it's the real one that got outsmarted there

3- Going by your logic, it was Kakashi's clone that Itachi was fighting as well at the beginning of my arguments

4- All my arguments aren't only coming from that fight at the start of Shippuden

5- So next time before posting your usual wank posts, at least try to read carefully, or don't quote me again

You of all people calling someone a wanker, SMH.

 

[Bogard]

You of all people calling someone a wanker, SMH.

I don't know who you're but if you're not going to contribute in the thread by posting decent arguments or counter, go away

 

[Prince Charles]

dat bogard showing scans of kakashi fighting a 30% clone lol what a clown.

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kakashi even saids he cant handle itachi by himself.

clowns will be clowns

 

[EliteKakashi]

It's a match-up decided by whoever decides to use their ridiculously overpowered MS technique first.

They're roughly equals at this point.

 

[Bogard]

dat bogard showing scans of kakashi fighting a 30% clone lol what a clown.

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kakashi even saids he cant handle itachi by himself.

clowns will be clowns

Lol I already explained the working of said clone in my previous post

1- Pain's technique create a copy perfectly identical to the original(jutsu, weapons and so on). But for that a quantity of chakra from the original is used beforehand. When the quantity of chakra runs out, the technique is cancelled. In this case, Itachi's copy had 30% of his chakra

2- The copy is controlled from far distance by the real ones, so in the area where i talked about intelligence, it's the real one that got outsmarted there

Concerning Kakashi's statement, you do realise he didn't know the Itachi he faced was a clone, right? So he was estimating considering the real Itachi's powers. He even said later that he

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(implying he felt that Itachi wasn't as strong as he should be), and of course it was the case since he only had 30% of his chakra and couldn't use his MS techniques

 

[Fodder#4]

I'll be leaning more towards Itachi, high diff.