[Theory] Obito is the Rikudou Sennin

[Armathyx]

I've been thinking this ever since I saw him wield that weapon. I see a lot of people claiming he's trash compared to the real So6P (without any evidence to back up...) but, do you really think so?...

It seems to be that Kishi, like someone else said, is pulling off a Code Geass, Obito is actually saving the world by uniting everyone... against him. Let's see at some evidence, shall we?

1. Look alike appearance:

Take a look at it for yourselves, I even made a silhouette version of Obito for you to compare

Obito:

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Rikudo:

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Obito, in dark:

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2. The weapon

Now, where did Obito find that weapon he's wielding right now? That's the Sage's personal weapon. Was the Juubi carrying it along with him as a souvenir of some sort? If so, why didn't the Juubi also keep the other five tools?..

This weapon is not one of the Juubi's "chakra rods", it's clearly got a few hidden powers of its own, able to effortlessly destroy Minato's kunai. When did Obito get it?


3. Obito / Rikudo's belief in balance

Rikudo is often depicted as "good", but is he really? There's no evidence suggesting he was either "good" or "evil".

Actually, for as much as we know, he actually believes in balance, equilibrium. He divided his power into ying and yang when he could've either created only ying or only yang.

It's essentially the Buddhist believe in balance and moderation, the of the

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Good requires evil, evil requires good, you know the story.

Obito is bringing peace through war. He doesn't care if it's ethical, if it's correct or just to everyone, what matters to Obito/Rikudo is that there is balance. This is the attitude he's displayed since the start, the belief that you need to break an egg before making an omelette. That trait of personality is shown for example when he asks Kabuto to explain Edo Tensei and kills one of his hostages:

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The way he stands between the two hostages as a God who decides their fate reminds us of Rikudo holding Ying and Yang in each hand.

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4. Obito's true power

To people claiming he's nothing compared to Rikudo... hold on son. Nagato alone could use a part of the Sage's power. When Madara, who is a lot stronger, was pulling meteors off his ass, people were claiming he had partly mastered Rikudo's power, which is also true.

Now Obito currently fodderises Hashirama and Madara any day of the week. Even in his uncontrolled form, he got through Hashirama and Tobirama as if they were mere fodder shinobi. The only reason Naruto is still alive is that Minato is protecting him with Kishiton: Plot no Jutsu.

And it's not just physical strength, he's outsmarted Madara a few times, blackmailing him and now trolling him with fake Rinne Tensei. Who else in this series can troll Madara?...

Accept it or not Obito is very well on Rikudo's level at this moment.


5. Obito's natural affinity for the Juubi

Obito was made to be the Juubi's Jinchuuriki, I had already made a thread about this. The scene when he kills the Mist Shinobi hints this. View Zetsu's comment:

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Obito and the Moon: foreshadowing his true identity:

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It's chapter 605, go see for yourselves.


6. Infinite Tsukuyomi is a bluff

The way Obito is right now, he could just stand there and cast Infinite Tsukuyomi right now and end the series. Even if it takes an hour to cast. There's no jutsu that can harm him at the moment, he just regenerates much like Majin Buu. Besides, he does have a very large arsenal of jutsu from his new abilities to Chibaku Tensei to defend himself if need be.

So why isn't he casting Infinite Tsukuyomi?

The answer is, it's not his plan to begin with. He's pushing everyone to their limits and uniting them, that's his only purpose. There's a thousand ways he could've killed Naruto and Sasuke already, his jutsu can be thrown.

7. Madara's statement

Best evidence there is. Thanks for submitting this in the thread.

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All this leads me to think that Obito is either the true reincarnation of the So6P, or he's the actual So6P himself.

Leaving Naruto to either be a successor, or a reincarnation of one of his sons.

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

Ummm the rod is made up of nature chackra , you see the black sphere he has on his hands then he made it pointy to attack Sasuke and naruto ? The rod is made up of the same thing when you look closely at that panel which he is standing you still see the pointy thing coming out of his hand ... No it's not a secret weapon madara taught obito everything about the sage and obito is quite familiar with the sages weapons .... Now that he has control over the jubbi he manipulated the chackra turning it into the staff.

 

[Armathyx]

Ummm the rod is made up of nature chackra , you see the black sphere he has on his hands then he made it pointy to attack Sasuke and naruto ? The rod is made up of the same thing when you look closely at that panel which he is standing you still see the pointy thing coming out of his hand ... No it's not a secret weapon madara taught obito everything about the sage and obito is quite familiar with the sages weapons .... Now that he has control over the jubbi he manipulated the chackra turning it into the staff.

But the chakra rods disappear after use, dissipate or go back to his body. The Rikudo's rod is an actual weapon that doesn't disappear, you can see Rikudo wields it on his back when he's not using it for battle:

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Unless it's not actually upside down in that picture and it's actually yet another weapon... doubt it though.

 

[Tera Path]

Uhmm no........
Obito is more like the Anti-so6p.
And how many times over and over has it been stated that naruto is the child of prophecy, and will be so6p succesor.
And why would u say obito is so6p? so6p is dead.
obito may harness his prowess, but that does not mean he is the sage.
And............ last time i checked, this show isnt called ''Obito''

 

[trucker]

1. Look alike appearance:

Take a look at it for yourselves, I even made a silhouette version of Obito for you to compare

Obito:

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Rikudo:

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But the chakra rods disappear after use, dissipate or go back to his body. The Rikudo's rod is an actual weapon that doesn't disappear, you can see Rikudo wields it on his back when he's not using it for battle:

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Unless it's not actually upside down in that picture and it's actually yet another weapon... doubt it though.

In the picture of Obito, you can clearly see the black triangle on the backside of the hand holding the staff. In all the other manipulation of the black nature chakra manipulation, it always started from the backside of his hand and went through. This is proof that the staff is merely a more elaborate form of the nature manipulation and not an actual staff.

The weapon on SoSP's back is most likely the sword he has held in other photos of him fighting the juubi, where he is also holding the staff. SoSP's staff is not chakra manipulation as he had it before becoming the Juubi's Jin. Therefore, Obito is merely copying the SoSP's weapon and does not possess the actual weapon.

What proof do you have that his chakra manipulation can be thrown? He can fire off orbs like the tailed beast bombs, but there has not been an instance where he has formed a spike/spear and thrown it.

Obito is super OP right now, no question there. But he is not on SoSP level. SoSP solo'd the Juubi and became the Jin of the Perfect Juubi. Obito is still lacking by the fact that Naruto and Bee and still alive with their tailed beast intact, and also hinted at by the undeveloped left horn. Obito is not the SoSP reincarnated, he is merely the Juubi Jin and has 1 Rennigan which gives him some of the Sage's abilities and lets him take a similar form to when the SoSP was the Jin. Obito does not possess the SoSP's will as he entrusted with the tailed beasts with the promise that he would return in another form as a person to lead them down the right path.

 

[Tera Path]

But the chakra rods disappear after use, dissipate or go back to his body. The Rikudo's rod is an actual weapon that doesn't disappear, you can see Rikudo wields it on his back when he's not using it for battle:

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Unless it's not actually upside down in that picture and it's actually yet another weapon... doubt it though.

Thats not his staff btw, we always see him wielding it in his hand, that is his katana on his back.

 

[Dragon Master]

Naruto will be a successor, or a reincarnation of the Rikudou Sennin.

Just look at this page:

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[EnDash]

how can you forget to add the most convincing part? that madara said "he will become like the sage of 6 paths":

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[~Sasuke~]

Obito is like an evil SO6P.

 

[Dragon Master]

Naruto = Good So6P
Obito = Evil So6P

 

[KCMNaruto]

Yeah you are right when you compare him with The Sage of six paths by appearance, he truelly resemebles him, but it is no proof that he is The Sage of six paths.

For all we know The Sage of six paths may divided himself(his last chakra) in nine parts and seal them in each tailed beasts, then brought together could begin to resemble him. In short Obito only become more and more similliar to The Sage of six paths due To Sage's chakra itself manifesting on Obito...

It will contnue until Juubi will reach it's final form, then The Sage of six paths's chakra avatar will awake and fight with Obito from Inside or merge with Naruto or trigger all tailed beasts chakra to connect to each other and give Naruto pseudo Juubi Jinchurki power...., anyway Obito will LOOSE THE SAGE OF SIX PATHS APPEARANCE WHEN JUUBI FINALLY REACHES IT'S FINAL FORM.

Besides, Obito TRUELLY MAY BE ON PAR WITH JUUBILESS Sage of six paths..., but even not until he creates mooon himself.

BUT JUUBI JINCHURKI SAGE OF SIX PATHS SOLO JUUBI Jinchurki Obito NO DIFF, and his power is unsurprassed !

Until Naruto become Perfect Jinchurki of Complete Juubi , then HE WILL SURPRASS THE SAGE JUUBI JIN, BUT WE WILL SEE IF KISHI ALLOWS FOR THAT.

Read this thread:

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^^ these is my thread elaborating requirements to MATCH OR SURPRASS THE SAGE, IF OBITO FULL FILL ALL THESE REQUIREMENTS THEN HE IS ON PAR WITH SAGE OR IF HE HAS BETTER FEAT THEN SAGE THEN HE SURPRASS HIM.

For now, New Obito Juubi Jinchurki is FEATLESS

 

[xcoyote]

Yeah you are right when you compare him with The Sage of six paths by appearance, he truelly resemebles him, but it is no proof that he is The Sage of six paths.

For all we know The Sage of six paths may divided himself(his last chakra) in nine parts and seal them in each tailed beasts, then brought together could begin to resemble him. In short Obito only become more and more similliar to The Sage of six paths due To Sage's chakra itself manifesting on Obito...

It will contnue until Juubi will reach it's final form, then The Sage of six paths's chakra avatar will awake and fight with Obito from Inside or merge with Naruto or trigger all tailed beasts chakra to connect to each other and give Naruto pseudo Juubi Jinchurki power...., anyway Obito will LOOSE THE SAGE OF SIX PATHS APPEARANCE WHEN JUUBI FINALLY REACHES IT'S FINAL FORM.

Besides, Obito TRUELLY MAY BE ON PAR WITH JUUBILESS Sage of six paths..., but even not until he creates mooon himself.

BUT JUUBI JINCHURKI SAGE OF SIX PATHS SOLO JUUBI Jinchurki Obito NO DIFF, and his power is unsurprassed !

Until Naruto become Perfect Jinchurki of Complete Juubi , then HE WILL SURPRASS THE SAGE JUUBI JIN, BUT WE WILL SEE IF KISHI ALLOWS FOR THAT.

Read this thread:

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^^ these is my thread elaborating requirements to MATCH OR SURPRASS THE SAGE, IF OBITO FULL FILL ALL THESE REQUIREMENTS THEN HE IS ON PAR WITH SAGE OR IF HE HAS BETTER FEAT THEN SAGE THEN HE SURPRASS HIM.

For now, New Obito Juubi Jinchurki is FEATLESS

i think he is talking about what Obito represents,not his power and i somewhat agree with thread.

 

[Smd]

He is not invincible. He could be sealed.

 

[Armathyx]

Yeah you are right when you compare him with The Sage of six paths by appearance, he truelly resemebles him, but it is no proof that he is The Sage of six paths.

For all we know The Sage of six paths may divided himself(his last chakra) in nine parts and seal them in each tailed beasts, then brought together could begin to resemble him. In short Obito only become more and more similliar to The Sage of six paths due To Sage's chakra itself manifesting on Obito...

It will contnue until Juubi will reach it's final form, then The Sage of six paths's chakra avatar will awake and fight with Obito from Inside or merge with Naruto or trigger all tailed beasts chakra to connect to each other and give Naruto pseudo Juubi Jinchurki power...., anyway Obito will LOOSE THE SAGE OF SIX PATHS APPEARANCE WHEN JUUBI FINALLY REACHES IT'S FINAL FORM.

Besides, Obito TRUELLY MAY BE ON PAR WITH JUUBILESS Sage of six paths..., but even not until he creates mooon himself.

BUT JUUBI JINCHURKI SAGE OF SIX PATHS SOLO JUUBI Jinchurki Obito NO DIFF, and his power is unsurprassed !

Until Naruto become Perfect Jinchurki of Complete Juubi , then HE WILL SURPRASS THE SAGE JUUBI JIN, BUT WE WILL SEE IF KISHI ALLOWS FOR THAT.

Read this thread:

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^^ these is my thread elaborating requirements to MATCH OR SURPRASS THE SAGE, IF OBITO FULL FILL ALL THESE REQUIREMENTS THEN HE IS ON PAR WITH SAGE OR IF HE HAS BETTER FEAT THEN SAGE THEN HE SURPRASS HIM.

For now, New Obito Juubi Jinchurki is FEATLESS

Given what Nagato could do at his level, Obito could probably create the moon as he is right now, or rain meteors on everyone if he wanted to, he's far superior to Madara.

Naruto cannot rival with Obito not even if he gets the second half of Kurama's chakra, it doesn't add up. Juubi is well over twice as powerful as Naruto.

If Obito isn't the So6P, then the real one has died. Unless someone brings the real one back to life, I don't see how Rikudo will give any power to Naruto.

I mean Minato and Kushina had sealed some of their chakra into Naruto but the Sage certainly hasn't...

 

[SagemodejubihostSasuke]

Ok I don't see why people will think Naruto will become the sage of sixth path, one in shounen mangas the main character never gains god power he keeps improving in his skills to keep trying to get better and better. Naruto is the child of the prophecy he will do what the sage failed to do bring true peace to the ninja world. To be honest I think Naruto won't end after shippuden. I like this thread but on Obito casting the genjustu I think it's the sake for plot, we will see when the manga ends.

 

[NaraFanboy]

Firstly, Saying Obito is the Rikudou Sannin is like saying the next president will be Barack Obama.

Sage of the Six paths is a title. Obito can become the NEXT Sage of the Six Paths (to my knowledge the English translation to Rikudou Sannin), but he is not THE Sage of the Six Paths, because that was a guy who lived long ago. Edit: Call him Steve if it makes you feel better, but Rikudou Sennin was his title, not his name/ identity.

Barack -> person
Silhouetted man -> person
President -> title
Sage of Six Paths -> title

Secondly, I believe the staff is made of the same 4+ element chakra like the balls behind his hands (going off Hiruzen's comments). It completely melted Minato's kunai...

Thirdly, I like bullet point 7. Notice he says "like" So6P. Excited for that trump card. Thanks for the post.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Given what Nagato could do at his level, Obito could probably create the moon as he is right now, or rain meteors on everyone if he wanted to, he's far superior to Madara.

Naruto cannot rival with Obito not even if he gets the second half of Kurama's chakra, it doesn't add up. Juubi is well over twice as powerful as Naruto.

If Obito isn't the So6P, then the real one has died. Unless someone brings the real one back to life, I don't see how Rikudo will give any power to Naruto.

I mean Minato and Kushina had sealed some of their chakra into Naruto but the Sage certainly hasn't...

^^ True, then as I wrote, the Only hope for Shinobi Alliance to win is Sage of six paths's return..., and of course he didn't seal his chakra in Naruto because he died long time before Naruto was even born.

I see only two possibilites for Sage of six paths's return:

1) Sage of six paths could seal his chakra in Juubi, so everyone who will become Juubi Jinchurki, will resembles more and more original Sage of six paths, and process will continue until Juubi reach final form, then Sage of six paths's chakra avatar wil finally awake and judge if Evil person become Juubi Jinchurki then will fight him from inside at leat, weakning Juubi Jinchurki or simply search for choosen one(Naruto) then free itself to appear in Naruto's mind or even merge with him. else if good Person become Juubi(WE KNOW OBITO IS EVIL) then Sage of six paths could help Juubi Jinchurki.

2) Sage of six paths could seal his chakra in each tailed beast, cause that only person who get trusted by ALL Tailed beasts will meet The Sage of six paths as chakra's avatar due to trust of All tailed beasts being key to trigger awakening of Sage of six paths essence...

Either way Original Sage of six paths will come back and appear in one or another way, most likely just chakra avatar, no physcial being...

Why I believe The Sage of six paths will come back ?, Because of this scan:

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The Sage envisoned that All Tailed beasts will merge again into one(Juubi). If this is truth then I am sure he could be afraid that Juubi will be used in wrong purpouses so he may left fail safe as his own chakra avatar appearing before one who will become Juubi Jinchurki.

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^^ All tailed beasts agree that Naruto is choosen one, The Sage was speaking about.

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^^ Naruto shown with 9 tomoes chakra..., symbols of getting trust from all nine tailed beasts

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^^ Here is shown Juubi freaking out at seeing not only tailed beasts chakra in Naruto but also silhouetteof Sage of six paths with Rinnengan eyes, I doubt it is just symbol. Juubi must saw something which it considered as threat so that could be Sage of six paths's chakra divided among all pieces of tailed beasts's chakra which are inside Naruto now...

Now, you may ask me: "Why The Sage chakra wasn't triggered just yet ?"

According to Manga, Naruto lack Eight tails/Gyuuki chakra, even bit to trigger awakining of Sage of six paths chakra avatar, But in my opinion he has Gyuuki chakra but lack Shukaku chakra but this may be plot hole made by Kishi.

In short.

Minato's chakra avatar - trigger: Naruto getting eight tails of Nine tailed beast/Kyuubi
Kushina's chakra avatar - trigger: Naruto unsealing Kurama to fight for control over Kurama...
Sage of six paths's chakra avatar - possible trigger: Juubi reaching final form, getting Juubi Jinchurki, or getting trust from all tailed beasts along with piece of their chakra

That my thoughts on this topic

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

What's up with l these ppl saying that obito is still weaker than a jubi less sage lmao ... That's a good one ....the sage got his power from the jubbi ... Now so has obito ... Don't understand why ppl say that. It's f'in common sense

 

[Armathyx]

^^ True, then as I wrote, the Only hope for Shinobi Alliance to win is Sage of six paths's return..., and of course he didn't seal his chakra in Naruto because he died long time before Naruto was even born.

I see only two possibilites for Sage of six paths's return:

1) Sage of six paths could seal his chakra in Juubi, so everyone who will become Juubi Jinchurki, will resembles more and more original Sage of six paths, and process will continue until Juubi reach final form, then Sage of six paths's chakra avatar wil finally awake and judge if Evil person become Juubi Jinchurki then will fight him from inside at leat, weakning Juubi Jinchurki or simply search for choosen one(Naruto) then free itself to appear in Naruto's mind or even merge with him. else if good Person become Juubi(WE KNOW OBITO IS EVIL) then Sage of six paths could help Juubi Jinchurki.

But we don't know if the Sage is good or evil.

He only seems to care about balance.

Why did one of his sons inherit the idea that power brings peace? That can only lead to evil. Why would the Sage make it possible for someone evil (Madara) to show up through the Uchiha lineage? In the end, it's his fault.

Again I think Rikudo only cared about balance because, after all, he's based off Buddhism, the ying/yang, and the Middle Path.

Your idea that the Sage could manifest through the Juubi in the same style as Minato/Kushina showing up along with Kurama makes sense, but in that case he'd be with Obito.

If you say he could pop out of the Juubi and become alive again, then why did he die in the first place? He could have stayed and ruled the world in his own ways for eternity if that's the case, he'd just store the chakra in the Juubi, die, then pop out of the Juubi again... Orochimaru style.

 

[AzR]

what bother me the most is how naruto did get the shukaku essence.... did you find it in the manga?