(Theory)How the uchiha clan's origin lies within the hyuga clan

[rollin]

kakashi said that the uchiha clan's origins lie with the hyuga clan

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the sage split his powers between his two son's;the younger son gettng the body and yang and older getting the yin and the eyes

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if you look at the elder son's eyes you notice it's not the rinngegan, but a swirl this is because the older son only inherited the sage's eyes and yin chakra,the older son has yang chakra it's just his own not the sage's; if he inherited the sage's yang and yin he would have rinnegan but he didn't

The older son has the "eyes",sage's yin chakra and then his own yang chakra
he then has two kids
one kid inherits his eyes and yin chakra(which is now diluted)and turns into a sharingan-the uchiha clan
the other kid inherits his eyes and yang chakra which turns into the byakugan-the hyuga clan
byakugan=white eye and hyuga=towards the sun;yang represents white and the sun

summary:the way that the older son's eyes mutated when he only inherited the yin chakra is the way the byakugan came about by the older son's descendants only inheriting his eyes and yang chakra
the sage's eyes and yin without yang mutated into a eye that looks like a swirl-first ems
the older son's eye without yin mutated into a white(yang)eye-byakugan

 

[GrayParadise]

post reserved reading atm

EDIT: It was confusing at first, had to read it a few times but I seems legit. I like it.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Kakshi's statement is saying that the Uchia descended from the Hyugga though.

 

[GrayParadise]

Kakshi's statement is saying that the Uchia descended from the Hyugga though.

Maybe the Hyuuga child was born first, then the Uchiha child afterwards.

 

[Yanks]

I think I've seen this thread before

 

[GrayParadise]

Wait a minute op, just thought of something.
If this were the case and both the Hyuuga eyed child and the Sharingan eyed child were brothers... Then how come one got the Hyuuga last name, and the other the Uchiha?

 

[itachi4real]

Maybe the elder son had two sons...one son got sharigan and the other got byakugan just sayin

 

[GrayParadise]

Maybe the elder son had two sons...one son got sharigan and the other got byakugan just sayin

Except you can clearly see in the illustration of both of them that neither of them have Byakugan.

 

[rollin]

Wait a minute op, just thought of something.
If this were the case and both the Hyuuga eyed child and the Sharingan eyed child were brothers... Then how come one got the Hyuuga last name, and the other the Uchiha?

i don't really think theyre the elder son's first kids but it happened through more generations
or maybe since his eye looked different they name him something elso, im not sure

 

[sagemode07]

Part on kakashi also thought the sage was a myth. Dur he was wrong.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Yang based clans are very known for their stamina and perceptive (based on body and physical energy) abilities, Yin based clans are very known for their control and offensive (based on mind and spiritual energy) abilities.

That said, I believe what you say may be true, but the thing is... the Hyuuga clan is more inclined to be experts on the Yang branch... the use of the body and perceptive abilities (byakugan is a perceptive doujutsu). It pretty contradicts what was said about the Elder Son's branch (Yin), so it doesn't convince me at all.

 

[rollin]

Yang based clans are very known for their stamina and perceptive (based on body and physical energy) abilities, Yin based clans are very known for their control and offensive (based on mind and spiritual energy) abilities.

That said, I believe what you say may be true, but the thing is... the Hyuuga clan is more inclined to be experts on the Yang branch... the use of the body and perceptive abilities (byakugan is a perceptive doujutsu). It pretty contradicts what was said about the Elder Son's branch (Yin), so it doesn't convince me at all.

what im trying to say is that the Elder son's descendants branched into one inheriting his eyes and yin(uchiha)and one inheriting his eyes and yang(hyuga)
the one that inherited the eyes and yang mutated into the byakugan the same way that the elder son's mutated into his when he only inherited the eyes and the sage's yin chakra

 

[Mr Hiru]

what im trying to say is that the Elder son's descendants branched into one inheriting his eyes and yin(uchiha)and one inheriting his eyes and yang(hyuga)
the one that inherited the eyes and yang mutated into the byakugan the same way that the elder son's mutated into his when he only inherited the eyes and the sage's yin chakra

And that brings me to question myself... if the Elder Son was the Yin of the Jutsu of the Sage, how did his heir be able to create a Yang Branch? It would be genetically imposible, unless... the elder son married someone which heir was mainly Yang based.

 

[uchihajaime]

Except you can clearly see in the illustration of both of them that neither of them have Byakugan.

Perhaps, last names came into being later on. There's no evidence to suggest the elder son was an Uchiha. The Uchiha merely descended from him. So, the clan name could have been invented later.

 

[rollin]

And that brings me to question myself... if the Elder Son was the Yin of the Jutsu of the Sage, how did his heir be able to create a Yang Branch? It would be genetically imposible, unless... the elder son married someone which heir was mainly Yang based.

you cant have yin chakra without yang chakra the elder son had both its just that his yin chakra was the sage's while his yang chakra was his own
my theory is that a descendant inherited his eyes and yang chakra to mutate into byakugan
while a uchiha clan descendant kept his yin chakra and eyes which allows a special chakra to sprout in uchiha's eyes
special chakra=the sage's and older sons yin chakra

 

[Mr Hiru]

you cant have yin chakra without yang chakra the elder son had both its just that his yin chakra was the sage's while his yang chakra was his own
my theory is that a descendant inherited his eyes and yang chakra to mutate into byakugan
while a uchiha clan descendant kept his yin chakra and eyes which allows a special chakra to sprout in uchiha's eyes
special chakra=the sage's and older sons yin chakra

His own yang? How is that possible? The elder son was created, he didn't have a body to start with...

 

[Draxus]

His own yang? How is that possible? The elder son was created, he didn't have a body to start with...

He wasn't created, he was born

 

[rollin]

His own yang? How is that possible? The elder son was created, he didn't have a body to start with...

you can't have chakra without yin and yang;the sage's younger son inherited physical energy and life-force the basis of yang and the elder son inherited powerful chakra and spiritual energies=yin
physical energies and spiritual energies=chakra

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in order for the elder son to have chakra he has to have physical energies and life-force as well it just his is not from the sage's his spiritual energies and eyes are
the younger son has spiritual energy as well, but it's his own; his physical energies and life=force is inherited from the sage

 

[Meowazziel]

His own yang? How is that possible? The elder son was created, he didn't have a body to start with...

We dont know if they were born or created, but in order to use chakra, you need both yin and yang.
Chakra=yin+yang.

Elderson=Superyin(given to him by the sage)+Elderson his own yang.
Youngerson=Youngerson his own yin+Superyang(given to him by the sage).

Even if you are a yin branch, you have yang chakra as well. Your yin is just dominant.
Even if you are a yang branch, you have yin chakra as well. Your yang is just dominant.

But to reply to the OP.
The Hyuuga are, as you say, a yang branch, with a not so special yang chakra right?
and they have a powerful dojutsu. Which became Byakugan due to not inheriting the super yin power that the elder son had been given by the sage, but they have the elder son his normal yang chakra?

So basically they have a dojutsu, that is powered by not so special yang chakra?
Maybe his yang chakra was relatively strong too (compared to normal people).

I feel the theory is missing something.
If the statement of uchiha's origin being in the Hyuuga's clan, than a Hyuuga should be born first and an Uchiha should descend from that Hyuuga. Brothers and sisters dont descend from each other right.

 

[Mr Hiru]

He wasn't created, he was born

you can't have chakra without yin and yang;the sage's younger son inherited physical energy and life-force the basis of yang and the elder son inherited powerful chakra and spiritual energies=yin
physical energies and spiritual energies=chakra

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in order for the elder son to have chakra he has to have physical energies and life-force as well it just his is not from the sage's his spiritual energies and eyes are
the younger son has spiritual energy as well, but it's his own; his physical energies and life=force is inherited from the sage

We dont know if they were born or created, but in order to use chakra, you need both yin and yang.
Chakra=yin+yang.

Elderson=Superyin(given to him by the sage)+Elderson his own yang.
Youngerson=Youngerson his own yin+Superyang(given to him by the sage).

Even if you are a yin branch, you have yang chakra as well. Your yin is just dominant.
Even if you are a yang branch, you have yin chakra as well. Your yang is just dominant.

But to reply to the OP.
The Hyuuga are, as you say, a yang branch, with a not so special yang chakra right?
and they have a powerful dojutsu. Which became Byakugan due to not inheriting the super yin power that the elder son had been given by the sage, but they have the elder son his normal yang chakra?

So basically they have a dojutsu, that is powered by not so special yang chakra?
Maybe his yang chakra was relatively strong too (compared to normal people).

I feel the theory is missing something.
If the statement of uchiha's origin being in the Hyuuga's clan, than a Hyuuga should be born first and an Uchiha should descend from that Hyuuga. Brothers and sisters dont descend from each other right.

I'm sorry to not agree... "Creation of All Things", as the jutsu states, "creates things". It uses "imagination and spiritual energy" to create lifeless things from nothingness (yin) and then it uses lifeforce and physical energy to give life to these lifeless objects (yang). And this my friends is manga fact, it I'm not wrong it is stated by Tobi while he was fighting Konan, when he used the Izanagi.

BUT, I have to agree with something...

Even if you are a yin branch, you have yang chakra as well. Your yin is just dominant.
Even if you are a yang branch, you have yin chakra as well. Your yang is just dominant.

Now that I remember, it's inside the principles of Taoism that each entity, Yin and Yang, are a whole independently. So this statement makes sense... Each branch has Yin and Yang even if they were divided, each one has Yin and Yang. The difference between these new Yin and Yang inside the original ones, is that they are "unbalanced".

So thanks for pointing it out.

PS: What rollin said makes sense with this in account. Sadly, Taoism is just a relationship to the manga, a mere theory... even I can't take it as a fact .