(Theory)How the uchiha clan's origin lies within the hyuga clan

[Mr Hiru]

So like I said... nothing in the MANGA! Oh and Uchiha are noble but Senju are not?

Databook also say Amaretseru burns hotter than the sun... you gunna take that as face value too? Also that sentence doesn't prove your point at all. Even if it did mean noble in the traditional sense, (which it doesn't, noble here refers to the fact they are the most revered clans not that there are of a higher social class than other clans), they could still intermingle with other "noble" clans.

The Senju Clan proposed to have relationships between clans to break the barrier of noblemen, so they are not included. Furthermore, it was Hashirama, the Shodai, the one who married Uzumaki Mito. So I don't see your question as valid.

About the Uchiha, they are proud of their lineage, they know about their superior power, if they had any kinship with other clan, that power would be lost... that was their logic, their philosophy.

PS: The Databook is an official source complementary to the manga, written by the original author. If you don't want to take it as official and you defend your point saying "manga" (a stubborn behaviour taking this in mind) then you can act blind as much as you like, but I won't keep losing my time trying to prove things, giving you official sources, or anything alike.

 

[Draxus]

The Senju Clan proposed to have relationships between clans to break the barrier of noblemen, so they are not included. Furthermore, it was Hashirama, the Shodai, the one who married Uzumaki Mito. So I don't see your question as valid.

About the Uchiha, they are proud of their lineage, they know about their superior power, if they had any kinship with other clan, that power would be lost... that was their logic, their philosophy.

PS: The Databook is an official source complementary to the manga, written by the original author. If you don't want to take it as official and you defend your point saying "manga" (a stubborn behaviour taking this in mind) then you can act blind as much as you like, but I won't keep losing my time trying to prove things, giving you official sources, or anything alike.

NO it's not their philosophy, that's something you made up.

My question isn't valid? Are you trolling or what? Clearly I was being sarcastic and pointing out the obvious flaw in what the databook says. That is why the databook info can't be taken over what's IN the manga, because it uses a lot of colorful imagery that isn't meant to be taken literally. Also doesn't what you say has to hold true for the Senju or your argument is worthless.

I'm not being stubborn, I asked for manga facts to back up your claims and you give me a single sentence from the databook. That little snippet doesn't even validate your claims at all. You seemed to grasping at straws, my friend.

So finally I ask, in sincerity... How do suppose the Uchiha bloodline thinned in the first place, if what you say is true?

 

[Mr Hiru]

NO it's not their philosophy, that's something you made up.

My question isn't valid? Are you trolling or what? Clearly I was being sarcastic and pointing out the obvious flaw in what the databook says. That is why the databook info can't be taken over what's IN the manga, because it uses a lot of colorful imagery that isn't meant to be taken literally. Also doesn't what you say has to hold true for the Senju or your argument is worthless.

I'm not being stubborn, I asked for manga facts to back up your claims and you give me a single sentence from the databook. That little snippet doesn't even validate your claims at all. You seemed to grasping at straws, my friend.

So finally I ask, in sincerity... How do suppose the Uchiha bloodline thinned in the first place, if what you say is true?

a) Sasuke always considered himself to be superior to anyone else. All the Uchiha were very full of themselves in terms of superiority and power, and just a few had the Will of Fire, this was very well explained by Tobirama when hokages were giving answers to Sasuke.

b) Not valid, because the Senju as a pure-blood lineage dissapeared long time ago, by decision of the first hokage. They stopped to be noblement since Shodai married Uzumaki Mito.

c) The Databook is as valid as the manga, since it was Masashi Kishimoto who wrote it to complement information. It's up to you if you want to read it, don't blame me for you not wanting to read it.

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About the question, it's easy... I didn't say their bloodline was thinned, I said the contrary about the noblemen.

 

[Draxus]

a) Sasuke always considered himself to be superior to anyone else. All the Uchiha were very full of themselves in terms of superiority and power, and just a few had the Will of Fire, this was very well explained by Tobirama when hokages were giving answers to Sasuke.

b) Not valid, because the Senju as a pure-blood lineage dissapeared long time ago, by decision of the first hokage. They stopped to be noblement since Shodai married Uzumaki Mito.

c) The Databook is as valid as the manga, since it was Masashi Kishimoto who wrote it to complement information. It's up to you if you want to read it, don't blame me for you not wanting to read it.

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About the question, it's easy... I didn't say their bloodline was thinned, I said the contrary about the noblemen.

A) What does that have to do with keeping their bloodline pure. Maybe they were so full of themselves they didn't see it as an issue.

B) Clearly you forgot this all started with you claiming Uchiha and Senju were pure from the time of the Two sons, so you see you still have no evidence to back this. Who Hashi decided to marry had no bearing on who others in the clan chose as mates.

C) I have read the Databook that's why I know it uses lots of imagery not meant to be taken literally all. We can't continue in this debate if you don't understand the Manga is what canon is derived from and databook only adds to it, so if they contradict you have to go with most recent info in the manga. If you truly think the databook is on the same level as the manga you might as well stop making theories and debating now. Save yourself from looking silly in the future.


Case in point... The last sentence makes NO sense, I never said you said that. The bloodline thinning is manga fact! You contradict the MANGA.

 

[Oksus]

This doesn't even make sense. -.-" I can't believe how many people actually believe in this kind of crappy theories.

Rinnegan > EMS > MS > Sharingan. That's it that's all. Accept it, Hyuga clan is useless plot wise. At most Byakugan could become Sharingan through some mutation because Byakugan is inferior to Sharingan.

 

[rollin]

This doesn't even make sense. -.-" I can't believe how many people actually believe in this kind of crappy theories.

Rinnegan > EMS > MS > Sharingan. That's it that's all. Accept it, Hyuga clan is useless plot wise. At most Byakugan could become Sharingan through some mutation because Byakugan is inferior to Sharingan.

the older son's eyes changed when he only inherited the eyes and sage's spiritual energies
all im saying is that down the line of the older son's descendants inherited his eyes and physical energies(instead of the sage's spiritual energies) which changed into the byakugan
i never said anything about the byakugan being strong than any of the doujutsu

 

[Mr Hiru]

A) What does that have to do with keeping their bloodline pure. Maybe they were so full of themselves they didn't see it as an issue.

B) Clearly you forgot this all started with you claiming Uchiha and Senju were pure from the time of the Two sons, so you see you still have no evidence to back this. Who Hashi decided to marry had no bearing on who others in the clan chose as mates.

C) I have read the Databook that's why I know it uses lots of imagery not meant to be taken literally all. We can't continue in this debate if you don't understand the Manga is what canon is derived from and databook only adds to it, so if they contradict you have to go with most recent info in the manga. If you truly think the databook is on the same level as the manga you might as well stop making theories and debating now. Save yourself from looking silly in the future.


Case in point... The last sentence makes NO sense, I never said you said that. The bloodline thinning is manga fact! You contradict the MANGA.

Sorry, the one full of himself seems to be you. :/ I won't keep discussing as I said before.

 

[Draxus]

Sorry, the one full of himself seems to be you. :/ I won't keep discussing as I said before.

Of course you can't you... you just admitted you contradicted the manga. You have no way to prove what you say about the Uchiha wanted keep their bloodline pure is true, nor any way to link that to the Senju since it would have to be true for both in order for your aurguement to be valid. On top of all that revealed you don't know the difference between noble clans and noblemen. You my friend, have lost this debate. *_*

 

[Mr Hiru]

Of course you can't you... you just admitted you contradicted the manga. You have no way to prove what you say about the Uchiha wanted keep their bloodline pure is true, nor any way to link that to the Senju since it would have to be true for both in order for your aurguement to be valid. On top of all that revealed you don't know the difference between noble clans and noblemen. You my friend, have lost this debate. *_*

Keep dreaming GG.