[Theory] So6P is not a Uzumaki

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Do people need closure on this base or what? I would understand if this was a real life problem , trying to figure out where we humans come from , I think would be a better use of time , instead of trying to figure out where a make believe clan came from ... In a world that doesn't exist .... Shyt is sad ... And no don't come at me like ooo but you read naruto too I do but do I go on a limb and try to be like this is how the history of the made up world that another person made ... That only that person knows , no one else does. I don't mind the predictions and what people think but this is a whole nother level ... Lmfao at aburame clan , pretty sure half of the people don't even know what f'in clan that is but it's legendary lmfao ok. Like I said the sage created his two sons he did not have a wife. One yin one yang ... Oh btw the Hyugga clan is the oldest clan
 

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You used sir derp obito style and changed his words :| everyone he copied and edited
 

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You just still don't get it... Sasuke is from the Uchiha clan, that's not going to change... what the dude was telling you was that it's UNKNOWN if the sage came from any clan. As a matter of fact, to hell with all this, it's been stated he's the father of all ninja, he was the beginning. Hell in his day, it wasn't called ninjutsu, it was called ninshu. Truthfully he was a monk, not a ninja, there were no ninja clans in his time, for ninjutsu didn't EXIST till he invented it! THAT'S WAAAAAAAAAAYY different from what the hell you're trying to say with Sasuke.

that scenario was made with his logic in place.
guess you didn't read my post after explaining it to him, and saying why his logic was flawed...

what I'm talking about!?!? that scenario is the same thing you've been saying.
that was me trying to adapt to your logic...

they are both his sons, they are brothers!! why the hell are they under 2 different names then!??
the Senju and Uchiha were created by his sons (or following generations named it), that doesn't change the fact that the sage could be under some other clan/family name.

and adressing to your point... sure it's unknown, I'm not here defending if he's an Uzumaki or not. just saying he could be under any other clan/family name.
he wasn't born out of thin air. he surely had a family.
 

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Fist of all they didn't "NEED" to. Mito became the host because she knew the seal and performed it on herself. Kushina was chosen because she had a high amount of chakra which allowed her to suppress the kyubi's chakra. Seems that Uzumaki's tend to be born with lots of chakra if you hadn't noticed.

Since their clan are both very familiar with the seal and they have abundant chakra they're people were perfect hosts for a bijuu.

However if you think all you needs is chakra and seals to beat the Juubi you should re-read the last few chapters.
It states in the Manga that She was brought to the village to be the Host for Kurama,and its states in the Manga that when Mito was nearing Her end They ask The Uzumaki to send a New Host Kushina. The Uzumaki seem to be the only people who can carry the 9 tail. What dose that tell you? Senju are missing something that the Uzumaki have and they don't.
 

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It states in the Manga that She was brought to the village to be the Host for Kurama,and its states in the Manga that when Mito was nearing Her end They ask The Uzumaki to send a New Host Kushina. The Uzumaki seem to be the only people who can carry the 9 tail. What dose that tell you? Senju are missing something that the Uzumaki have and they don't.

I theorized that this phenomena was not exceptional. The Jinchûriki is someone that in every case has a high lifeforce / physical energy (Yang).

If you see the backstory of Gaara, Bee, Kushina, Mito and even Naruto, you'll see that each "host" had to be "compatible". Furthermore, the quantity of this physical energy had to be proportional to the quantity of chakra that was going to be introduced inside the host...

For example...

- Gaara was born as a premature kid. His mother died, he was the first in three kids that was compatible with the Shukaku.

- Bee's bloodline seems to be exceptionally strong physically. Its cousin, Fukai, was the former Hachibi Jinchûriki before him.

- Mito/Kushina, both pure breed Uzumaki, were able to hold Kurama at 100%, while Naruto being only half breed Uzumaki was able to hold only 50% of Kurama.

It just makes sense to deduce that the Sage of Six Path as the first Jinchûriki had to have an extremely high lifeforce in order to be able to hold the Jûbi... so "maybe" he was Uzumaki, or maybe he was a simple monk which physical powers were even higher than the referenced clan.
 

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o.o... I really don't see how you can say someone is from a clan due to their hair color to tell the truth. :/ Naruto has blond hair because both of his parents are not Uzumaki so if you think about it. If Sage was Uzumaki, his hair could easily be changed due to his parents not being both Uzumaki. Uzumaki have great chakra control.. Sage really had some good chakra control to be holding 10 tails. o.o Just sit back and let us find out for ourselves what he actually is. Kishi will mind kill us later.
 

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It states in the Manga that She was brought to the village to be the Host for Kurama,and its states in the Manga that when Mito was nearing Her end They ask The Uzumaki to send a New Host Kushina. The Uzumaki seem to be the only people who can carry the 9 tail. What dose that tell you? Senju are missing something that the Uzumaki have and they don't.

No, it tells me the Uzumaki are the best fit. You make it sound as if a Senju COULDN'T be the kyuubi's host if they wanted to be.
 

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I'd like to bump this thread back into view and state yet again that,

The So6P is NOT a Uzumaki,

Get over it.
 

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o.o... I really don't see how you can say someone is from a clan due to their hair color to tell the truth. :/ Naruto has blond hair because both of his parents are not Uzumaki so if you think about it. If Sage was Uzumaki, his hair could easily be changed due to his parents not being both Uzumaki. Uzumaki have great chakra control.. Sage really had some good chakra control to be holding 10 tails. o.o Just sit back and let us find out for ourselves what he actually is. Kishi will mind kill us later.

Do you like not read the manga or something?
 

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Actually, Derp's theory was well researched. There were a lot of hints pointing at Hagaromo being an Uzuzmaki. However, Kishi kept other options open as well so as to make it very easy to be able to suddenly make Hagaromo not Uzumaki.


For example, before the 6th coffin was reveled, Tobi was more likely Madara rather than Obito. There were far more hints pointing at Tobi being Madara than Obito. But none of them were very direct so Kishi was able to easily make Tobi Obito without contradiction.

In the end, it's up to Kishi's whims.
 

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Dude, Them fanboys gonna raid your house. Your not alone in this NB verse I don't think the sage is a uzumaki myself as the manga presents him also not being an uzumaki.
 

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We do know Who the SO6P is, All the Tail Beast agree who it . Naruto Uzumaki.
 

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5 bucks says we never find out what clan he was.

I personally don't think he's Uzumaki for most of the reasons in his thread. Kishi could easily have made him Uzumaki, maybe Namikaze, even Juugo's clan for some plot twist Lol, or he could just be some no name irrelevant heritage. Most likely we won't find out, simply because the Sage's most relevant role involving his heritage was that Senju and Uchiha were branched down from him.
 

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5 bucks says we never find out what clan he was.

I personally don't think he's Uzumaki for most of the reasons in his thread. Kishi could easily have made him Uzumaki, maybe Namikaze, even Juugo's clan for some plot twist Lol, or he could just be some no name irrelevant heritage. Most likely we won't find out, simply because the Sage's most relevant role involving his heritage was that Senju and Uchiha were branched down from him.

His clan was named dude. It's just people researched deeply to even start a theory that he is an uzumaki at this point.
 

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The sage was not a Uzumaki, get that in your head. It's a group among the many shinobi clans that followed the Sage's death who began calling themselves Uzumaki. It's you who doesn't understand anything about genealogy. The sage was not a Uzumaki, and that's the bottom line son.

The Tail Beast all Say Naruto is the Old Man and Naruto is an Uzumaki. Naruto Uzumaki is the SO6P.
 

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The Tail Beast all Say Naruto is the Old Man and Naruto is an Uzumaki. Naruto Uzumaki is the SO6P.

I know what you're trying to do, and I'd recommend to keep off with the attempts of creating more steam. We know what you're telling, but Armathyx is talking about the former Sage of Six Paths, and this one is Ootsutsuki.

:|
 

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It is a difficult one

As I can see quite a few members, [despite making valid points], are just rejecting the notion completely, that the sage may have more to do with the Uzumaki than let on.

Refraining from joining in, I'm now tempted to do so:

1. The sage had two sons as we know from the Manga -
A. One eventually had descendent as known as the Uchiha
B. One eventually had descendent known as the Senju

It was stated that the Uzumaki were ''Distant Blood Relatives'' of the Senju.

Now, the most simple and logical answer would be the Uzumaki are a branch off, descendant of the Younger Son.

However this was never stated, it was just mentioned, [by Kushina an Uzumaki], that they were distant blood relatives of the Senju

The opinion that they are descendants has never been stated, [I am not saying the Sage is an Uzumaki keep reading]

Now Kushina being an Uzumaki, would know that they are related, what she wouldn't know is if the Uzumaki were distant blood relatives of the Uchiha , [I know but trust me keep reading]

The fact that it wasn't mentioned makes it a possibility, BUUUUUUUUUUT, we work with what the manga has informed us, and since it has not been mentioned we cannot say this.

This goes for the Sage being an Uzumaki

Although i am a big fan and propagator of the Sage being or at least having a major part with the Uzumaki, we cannot state this until it states so in the manga

It has also been mentioned that the Sage was of the name Ōtsutsuki Hagoromo
so we know that he had his own clan name.


My point in all of this, is that Kishi, just as with Obito, left many questions that 75% of people refused to address to its simplicity or absurdity, which does need answering:


1. Why would a branch off clan produce the ''promised child'' [so to speak], as the ''Sage's Return'', [so to speak], and not one of the Uchiha or Senju, as they are the most clear direct descendants

2. Why would Madara select an Uzumaki child to leave his eyes too in his death?

3. The Tailed beast sealing Jutsu originates from the sage we can agree as he was the first Jinchuuriki, however why has the Uchiha nor Senju been mentioned to have anything of this, whereas the Uzumaki were known for this, and considering they provided consistent hosts for Kurama that their sealing included Tailed beast seals, as Kushina taught Minato the 4 signed seal used on Naruto.

4. Why were they feared to the point they were destroyed?, very convenient, as there is no one who seems to know their full history


Now note, although I am a propagator of the Sage being a major part of the Uzumaki, nothing is confirmed so nothing can be stated as fact, however the fact that many reject the above questions as nothing but irrelevant are clearly avoiding a massive foreshadow, I mean the main character is an Uzumaki that alone should scream something at everybody
 

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The Tail Beast all Say Naruto is the Old Man and Naruto is an Uzumaki. Naruto Uzumaki is the SO6P.

No. Don't be a bigot, you know very well what they said, and what they meant. He is a successor, the second person to have existed who shares the same ideals. Just like when Sasuke stated "Itachi inherited Hashirama's ideals", it doesn't imply a link in lineage, it implies a link in personality.
 
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