[Theory] So6P is not a Uzumaki

[Voidstep]

What the f*ck you talking about?

You can create theorys that Sasuke is Senju if you want, but you cannot say it before it's stated in the manga.

what I'm talking about!?!? that scenario is the same thing you've been saying.
that was me trying to adapt to your logic...

they are both his sons, they are brothers!! why the hell are they under 2 different names then!??
the Senju and Uchiha were created by his sons (or following generations named it), that doesn't change the fact that the sage could be under some other clan/family name.

 

[Mo City Don]

Kishi would have said the so6p was an uzumaki a long time ago instead of saying his sons made the uchiha and senju. Finally someone with better thread making skills than me put this together lol

 

[ethris]

The Uchiha+Senju statement applied only to Rikudou Sennin when he became the Juubi's Jinchuuriki, because the Uchiha and Senju are literally the Yin and Yang of the Juubi:

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prior to becoming the Jūbi's Jinchūriki, Rikudou Sennin was purely an Uzumaki.

The correct equation is: Uzumaki(Rikudou) + Juubi = Uchiha (Elder Son/Yin) and Senju (Younger Son/Yang)


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and this right here is why i hate your THEORYS, u state them like its cannon lol.

 

[BlueMeteor]

Damnnnn what a thread

 

[ethris]

That scan refers to him as the Jūbi's Jinchūriki, when he was already a god (Apotheosis) the Senju+Uchiha power is the Yin and Yang power of the Jūbi, prior to becoming Jūbi's Jinchūriki he was an Uzumaki

He is not all the clans in one person, the other clans are not consanguine with him, his descendants were stated to have been Uchiha and Senju only, the Naras, Akimichis, etc. are no way related to him. The Rikūdo was not "Adam" or the first human in the world, his era was an age of endless war, families existed back then which became the progenitors of other clans, Rikūdo himself was born a human who only became a god by becoming the Jūbi's Jinchūriki, Rikūdo most definitely has a human heritage/family: the Uzumaki heritage just like Naruto.

you know sir derp....if you stopped saying things like most definitly or he IS an uzumaki, and other phrases you cant back up unless your kishi him self, maybe people wouldnt feel so compelled to point out why your theory's are ridiculous

 

[ILikeBigYolos]

Lol the Sir Derp Obito fanboys unleashed their rage

 

[Draxus]

That scan refers to him as the Jūbi's Jinchūriki, when he was already a god (Apotheosis) the Senju+Uchiha power is the Yin and Yang power of the Jūbi, prior to becoming Jūbi's Jinchūriki he was an Uzumaki

He is not all the clans in one person, the other clans are not consanguine with him, his descendants were stated to have been Uchiha and Senju only, the Naras, Akimichis, etc. are no way related to him. The Rikūdo was not "Adam" or the first human in the world, his era was an age of endless war, families existed back then which became the progenitors of other clans, Rikūdo himself was born a human who only became a god by becoming the Jūbi's Jinchūriki, Rikūdo most definitely has a human heritage/family: the Uzumaki heritage just like Naruto.

Yeah... no it definitely doesn't say "only". It does say the young son's descendants became the Senju, but it's fallacy (and just down right silly) to presume by that statement that EVERY descendant became a member of the Senju clan. The next panel even states the bloodlines thinned, meaning they co-mingled with other bloodlines. That is where the Uzumaki clan comes in.

If the Uzumaki bloodlines can be traced to offspring of the young son before and/or after the Senju clan's founding, that would make them both offshoots of the Senju clan and part of it's lineage.

 

[timoy]

what is established is senju and uchiha are descendants from rikuodo.

wait 'till sasuke and naruto will have their offspring, that could possibly be rikuodo. =D=D

 

[Honord Sage]

Why did the Senju need to bring Mito Uzumaki and Kushina Uzumaki to be the Host for Kurama,Why not a Senju to do the job? Could it be the Uzumaki DNA is stronger than a Senju DNA more complete to do the Job that Senju can't do.

 

[Armathyx]

to point out that the Uzumakis are off-shoots or a sibling clan of the Senju because I have clearly debunked that here:

There is a great misconception in Zetsu's statement in chapter 606 saying that Nagato is a descendant of the Senjus because he is of Senju Lineage:

It is not Zetsu's statement that is erroneous but the interpretation of others, if we take the translation of lineage based on the context of Zetsu's statement in conjunction with Kushina's statement in a previous chapter, the most accurate meaning of lineage, based on context, is the anthropological definition of the word: Kinship/Consanguinity:

I've debunked your own debunking on the Zetsu statement in this thread in case you didn't read, son.

 

[Draxus]

Why did the Senju need to bring Mito Uzumaki and Kushina Uzumaki to be the Host for Kurama,Why not a Senju to do the job? Could it be the Uzumaki DNA is stronger than a Senju DNA more complete to do the Job that Senju can't do.

Fist of all they didn't "NEED" to. Mito became the host because she knew the seal and performed it on herself. Kushina was chosen because she had a high amount of chakra which allowed her to suppress the kyubi's chakra. Seems that Uzumaki's tend to be born with lots of chakra if you hadn't noticed.

Since their clan are both very familiar with the seal and they have abundant chakra they're people were perfect hosts for a bijuu.

However if you think all you needs is chakra and seals to beat the Juubi you should re-read the last few chapters.

 

[AzR]

wow... someone(not you,Armathyx ) neg rep me for an OP that doesnt prove enough to oppose sir derp theory.. as i said earlier, i thought this OP is a new theory to oppsoe sir derp's but its just a mere refutation of sir derp's theory.. if you doesnt put excellent proof on the plate then dont expect people to like your theory( if people regards this OP as a theory)..jeezz

 

[Draxus]

wow... someone(not you,Armathyx ) neg rep me for an OP that doesnt prove enough to oppose sir derp theory.. as i said earlier, i thought this OP is a new theory to oppsoe sir derp's but its just a mere refutation of sir derp's theory.. if you doesnt put excellent proof on the plate then dont expect people to like your theory( if people regards this OP as a theory)..jeezz

I don't see any where in the OP that states it's a theory. It's a counter argument to derps theories. You probably got neg repped cuz your post made you look like a fan boy.

 

[AzR]

I don't see any where in the OP that states it's a theory. It's a counter argument to derps theories. You probably got neg repped cuz your post made you look like a fan boy.

first,english is not my 1st language,so i cant convey my true intention properly... i might said something but you guys might interpret it differently.. i'm sorry for my weakness but as i said... i thought its a new theory based on the title,i was excited you know.. but when i read it, its a counter argument.. that why i was a bit disappointed.. but still i said its a good job

dude, theory is just a theory... sir derp has his on way and resources to explain something that is not yet proven in the manga and his approaches is way different.. i respected that... and OP has his own way to convey his own.. but the problem with logic is it cannot explain the explainable such as So6P is Uzumaki or not because there is no current proof to prove this.. so we have to wait i guess

my lecturer said, a good theory is where many oppose it,refute it in many ways... so as far as i see, sir derp's is good one just as how Einstein's theory of relativity get his refutations long before..

#i'm still waiting a theory that So6P is someone other than uzumakis... i dont care if he's an aburame or what... present it,make others believe it.. thats all.. theory is just theory for me... dont make it as religion..

 

[From the Dark Spire]

The Fist and the Second son were not born Senju or Uchiha get that in your head it was the descendant who began calling themselves Senju and Uchiha years after they left their father place and became nomads in the land of fire. Whats so hard? its logical. You better not get a job in genealogy because you don't understand how it works. When the Sage was alive their were no Uchiha, No Senju and thats the bottom line.

But by this logic, there were no Uzumakis back then as well. So we can't just necessarily say he was the first uzumaki. Plus his sons are the ancestors of the uchiha and senju. The blood of the sons run through the two clans as well, They are the clans ANSCESTORS for god's sake. If the Uzumakis are related to the senju and the senju are the decendents of the younger son, then the blood of the younger son also runs through the uzumakis as well. The sage himself was something else altogether, he was all the clans in my opinion.

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

Quite honestly did the sage have to sons? No he did not he had two creations one from ying one from yang he basically made the two lineages everyone thinks the sage was a good guy ... I think he is more like obito kinda crazzie , he even said it to the bjuu's... one day you will find someone to lead you down the right path which means the sage was not leading them down the right path but a path full of hatred. Basically this gives leeway for him to be a uzumaki ... And aren't we all related on this planet?? Aren't we all human yet we seperates ourselves in races even tough we are just one huge race ... Maybe that's what Kishi trying to say ... It would be funny if the sage somehow does show up and says I'm just a shinobi.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

I'm still confluzed...

so, for example, if Sasuke has 2 babies with Sakura, and then their kids decide to form 2 different clans under different names. since they think Uchiha is not cool enough and they don't like each other...
kid 1 - forms the clan Emo
kid 2 - forms the clan Maddog

that means Sasuke cannot be a Uchiha cause his kids are from the clans Emo and Maddog???

You just still don't get it... Sasuke is from the Uchiha clan, that's not going to change... what the dude was telling you was that it's UNKNOWN if the sage came from any clan. As a matter of fact, to hell with all this, it's been stated he's the father of all ninja, he was the beginning. Hell in his day, it wasn't called ninjutsu, it was called ninshu. Truthfully he was a monk, not a ninja, there were no ninja clans in his time, for ninjutsu didn't EXIST till he invented it! THAT'S WAAAAAAAAAAYY different from what the hell you're trying to say with Sasuke.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

That scan refers to him as the Jūbi's Jinchūriki, when he was already a god (Apotheosis) the Senju+Uchiha power is the Yin and Yang power of the Jūbi, prior to becoming Jūbi's Jinchūriki he was an Uzumaki

He is not all the clans in one person, the other clans are not consanguine with him, his descendants were stated to have been Uchiha and Senju only, the Naras, Akimichis, etc. are no way related to him. The Rikūdo was not "Adam" or the first human in the world, his era was an age of endless war, families existed back then which became the progenitors of other clans, Rikūdo himself was born a human who only became a god by becoming the Jūbi's Jinchūriki, Rikūdo most definitely has a human heritage/family: the Uzumaki heritage just like Naruto.

So where do you think the akimichis, the naras, yamanakas, inuzukas, and MOST IMPORTANTLY OF ALL clans, the legendary Aburame clan, come from then? The sage may not have been first human, sure. But he was stated to have started ninjutsu! Before him, there was no, "hand seals, SUDDEN power no jutsu, or any earth style, mud wall jutsus, or Katon fireball jutsus" or any of that.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Good thread. I made a detailed analysis as well why the sage could not have belonged to any 'shinobi' clan as he was the first shinobi himself. Derp butthurt obito neg repped me despite massive evidence presented. He was using the same fallacies in my thread that hes been blabbering here. However what he failed to answer was:

1.Why were the uzumakis mentioned twice as relatives of the senju, but not of the uchiha?
2. If the rinnegan came from the juubi, than:
- why hasnt obito shown it so far after becoming jinchuriki?
- how the fck did the sage manage to use chibaku tensei to seal the juubi WHILE he was its jinchuriki?

3. Why is being 'related' to senju a pre requisite for controlling the gedo mazo? Its almost like saying the uzumakis are watered down senjus.

4. How did the uzumaki survive far worse eras, only to get annihilated in the 2nd-3rd shinoobi world wars??

And many others....

 

[Mr Hiru]

Interesting question:

Why the new sage of six path have to be an Uzumaki, if there are only hints that make belieable to say that the Sage was an Uzumaki? These are not proof... there could be another family that had that quantity/quality of chakra in their DNA...

Naruto isn't even pure-breed... so be careful to assume things without giving them a second thought.