[Discussion] so what exactly happened to Madara's eyes?

[AzR]

Cqn u xplain how dey stack up on dia eyes? Wif the Izuna eye fyn, i fynk obito was lying his ass off wen he sed dat bcos he also sed Madara killd izuna to obtain dat, but from da flash bak it wasnt so. I fynk wen u transplant sam oda eye, dey merge, dey dun still remain as seperate entity from ur original eyes.

did something happen to your keyboard my bro?

 

[TaBaYo]

did something happen to your keyboard my bro?

Am using ma fone, so tryin to make it concise

 

[KCMNaruto]

Lol it is easy for me, and try to explain as much simple as I can :
There are few possibilites:

First possibility in Order
- Madara faked death with Izanagi with his own EMS and don't loose eye due to EMS being perfect stage of sharingan which don't loose light, something like that
- Madara implanted in himself Senjuu DNA and while some of his research/adventures he got his hands on Uchiha sharingans or he simply killed one due to knowing that he would have to give his eyes to someone in future.
- Madara awaken Rinnegan and then implant them in Nagato AND he could use Izanagi cause of some danger loosing one random Uchiha's sharingan in process being left with just one spare.(maybe Nagato attacked him using Rinnnengan without even knowing it.)
- Madara is left with one Sharingan implant.

Second Possibility in Order
- Madara killed some random Uchiha or just got his hands on one pair somehow betweeen leaving Konoha and comming back to fight Hashirama. Why would he do that ? because he did it as failsafe for himself in case of Battle going wrong and Madara dying from Hashirama's Hand. Yeah it could be called anticipation.
- Madara used one of Random Eyes somehow activating Izanagi to escape death from Hashirama
- Madara implants Senjuu DNA and later awake Rinnengan
- Madara implants Rinnengan in Nagato and retrun with just one spare Sharingan as he used other one for Izanagi

Last Possibility in Order
- Madara didn't use Izanagi and used other technique or some other hax to surivives
- Madara implants Senjuu DNA
- Madara kill or not to get new spare sharingan's pair or just not yet
- Madara got Rinnengan and kill Random Uchiha to get his eyes or not anticipating fact that he will implant his own eyes in Nagato, then Madara uses Izanagi to escape to come back to cave.
- Madara is left with just one spare Sharingan


I am sure much more Possibilites are possible , but I can't think of any more besides I won't waste more time for coming with new crazy ideas

Anyway for sure, Key factors in that battle were:

1) If Madara used Izanagi or no
2) If yes the he must killed some Random Uchiha or get some Random Sharingan's pair or he used EMS with it and not loose light somehow else he didn't use Izanagi
3) Anyway he must killed or somehow get his hands of fresh spare pair of sharingan , Whatevevr it was before battle with Hashirama and after leaving Konoha, or after implanting Senjuu DNA and waiting for Rinnengan or even after awaking Rinnengan(small possibility) but for sure not after implainting his own eyes in Nagato, because blind Madara couldn't even surivives let's alone get Sharingan somehow.
4) Did he do everythinh by himself, or did he use some other person help ?, maybe used Zetsu

That all I can come up with, I believe these above stated by Me Factors could be keys to solve your and our question

I hope I helped even just a bit

 

[foxyladyland]

i want to add.. if madara used izanagi, there wont be any 'wound' right? but in the panel, madara did said he tried to transplant hashi's cell in his wound... so nahh, madara didnt used izanagi

don't forget you guys, Madara only showed the Wound from Hashi in Tsukuyomi.. not the old Madara.., but the young Madara had it in Tsukuyomi... The old Madara never showed his old body to have a wound like that.. I think. _@:

 

[jdasprawler]

I don't know but itachi solos.

 

[thegame]

Your last discussion doesn't make much sense.
Madara didn't use Izanagi against Hashirama, since his dead body would disappear. It's likely he used some sort genjutsu to fool him. That could be done easily. Besides we don't know Madara's MS abilities. Some may say it's amaterasu and tsukuyomi, however, at this point anything is possible. Kishi could make it, so his MS abilities troll us all. There is a reason, we haven't seen Madara use other MS abilities than Susanoo.

Why did he only have 1 eye afterwards, you ask. Well possibly that is simply all he had. Anything is possible here. Could be accident, or whatever. Also that eye might as well be his original or any other Uchiha.

 

[Draxus]

So basically this entire theory is based on the fact that you can't fathom Madara stealing some other uchia's eye after he gave his eyes to Nagato?

FAIL!

 

[Byron123]

Manga states he escape death. Any predictions how he further escape is irrelevant because we did not need to know. Later it was stated his gave his real eyes to someone. Zestu later explains to Obito that Madara gave his eyes to Nagato:

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Thus, the spare eye Madara has. Do we need to know who or what happen for him to obtain the spare eye? No. Why do you want more from the story?

I'll tell you why. He avoids from death while Hashirama was sure that he had killed him and then we see him for what it seems as irrelevant, with only one of his eyes. Yet, he had awakened the rinnegan but if what I say about using Izanagi is correct then he should have at the end only one rinnegan since the other one was already blinded. That leaves a question as to how Nagato got to get a pair of rinnegan while Madara ended up with only one eye. You see my point? His pair of EMS that would evolve into rinnegan wouldn't be completed if he had used Izanagi because simply, as I posted to one of the panels, at that time he was using his EMS, which menas that one of these eyes would go blind, something wich leads to a paradox, if you consider nagato having a pair of them.

Cqn u xplain how dey stack up on dia eyes? Wif the Izuna eye fyn, i fynk obito was lying his ass off wen he sed dat bcos he also sed Madara killd izuna to obtain dat, but from da flash bak it wasnt so. I fynk wen u transplant sam oda eye, dey merge, dey dun still remain as seperate entity from ur original eyes.

Sorry but I din't manage to udnerstand your point? Can you rephrase it?

 

[UnrealSoul]

Evidently he did not use izanagi to save him self from dying after the fight with hashirama. Secondly he could not have gained the rinnegan and transplanted it to Nagato if he had used izanagi.

He already stated to Obito that he had spare sharnigans, so what makes you think he couldn't put 1 rinnegan in nagato and 1 sharnigan in himself? Nagato had gotten both of his eyes how do you not comprehend that?

Seriously Nagato is an uzumaki not an uchiha. His rinnegan is always activated in which means it was transplanted into him. Do people read at all?

 

[Byron123]

if madara awaken his rinnegan right before his death then the question whether he used izanagi after the fight is utterly nonsense.. he might survived with countless ways but according to canon, he definitely didnt use izanagi..

By no means is irrelevant. My whole point is this: We have Madara who magically avoids death while his enemy, Hashirama is sure that he had killed him back then (Granted by how clever he is, I believe that he wouldn't get tricked so easily) and we ended up seeing Madara with one eye? So far good? BUT Madara did have his original pair of sharingan that he wasn't using as long as he had Izuna's eyes. So, if he gave his rinnegan to Nagato, then why did he stay with only one while he had a spared pair? My point is that the manga doesn't go into details as to how he escaped from death so there is no proof that he didn't use Izanagi and concidering that we see him with only one eye something rings hollow if you ask me. In any case, for that reason if we go with the theory of using Izanagi to avoid death during that battle against Hashirirama, then it would mean that he had lost there one of his EMS and therefore one of his future rinnegan. If you pay attention at the panel in whihc Madara shows his rinnegan, he doesn't show both of his eyes so we can't be sure as to whether he even had a second rinnegan at that moment, considering my theory about using Izanagi. This leads to a paradox because if Madara did end up with only one rinnegan, the one he later transplanted to Nagato, how the latter ended up with 2 while he was only give one.

i want to add.. if madara used izanagi, there wont be any 'wound' right? but in the panel, madara did said he tried to transplant hashi's cell in his wound... so nahh, madara didnt used izanagi

So him having only one eye is a concidence?

My only problem with this theory is that madara's original eyes were blind. How was nagato able to see out of them?

In did that's a good point you bring up. If his eyes were blind, maybe he implanted them to Nagato and maybe they evolved immediately to rinnegan and so that also explains why he was left with one eye during his late days if we consider that he took Hashirama's dna at the cost of his one of his eyes. Maybe he just happened not have the rinnegan activated when Obito was around. I really don't know.

So basically this entire theory is based on the fact that you can't fathom Madara stealing some other uchia's eye after he gave his eyes to Nagato?

FAIL!

Lol it's not like you describe it. I just can't imagine that madara magically avoided death while we see him in his late days with only one eye, a hint that leads to him using Izanagi and therefore leads to a paradox I already explained to 2 others.

 

[Draxus]

By no means is irrelevant. My whole point is this: We have Madara who magically avoids death while his enemy, Hashirama is sure that he had killed him back then (Granted by how clever he is, I believe that he wouldn't get tricked so easily) and we ended up seeing Madara with one eye? So far good? BUT Madara did have his original pair of sharingan that he wasn't using as long as he had Izuna's eyes. So, if he gave his rinnegan to Nagato, then why did he stay with only one while he had a spared pair? My point is that the manga doesn't go into details as to how he escaped from death so there is no proof that he didn't use Izanagi and concidering that we see him with only one eye something rings hollow if you ask me. In any case, for that reason if we go with the theory of using Izanagi to avoid death during that battle against Hashirirama, then it would mean that he had lost there one of his EMS and therefore one of his future rinnegan. If you pay attention at the panel in whihc Madara shows his rinnegan, he doesn't show both of his eyes so we can't be sure as to whether he even had a second rinnegan at that moment, considering my theory about using Izanagi. This leads to a paradox because if Madara did end up with only one rinnegan, the one he later transplanted to Nagato, how the latter ended up with 2 while he was only give one.

Your point is irrelevant since you have NO proof he kept his old eyes. You don't even know if medical ninjutsu had progressed to the point that would allow him to keep them back then, let alone preserve them for decades.

 

[Byron123]

Your last discussion doesn't make much sense.
Madara didn't use Izanagi against Hashirama, since his dead body would disappear. It's likely he used some sort genjutsu to fool him. That could be done easily. Besides we don't know Madara's MS abilities. Some may say it's amaterasu and tsukuyomi, however, at this point anything is possible. Kishi could make it, so his MS abilities troll us all. There is a reason, we haven't seen Madara use other MS abilities than Susanoo.

Why did he only have 1 eye afterwards, you ask. Well possibly that is simply all he had. Anything is possible here. Could be accident, or whatever. Also that eye might as well be his original or any other Uchiha.

I can't say that you don't have a point. Still though, don't you find too coincidential his magical survival and him having only one eye? The only reason I insist so much on that is not because I try to prove that he did use Izanagi but rather to point out that in case he did it, that would lead to a paradox, which I already posted to 2 other comments.

Your point is irrelevant since you have NO proof he kept his old eyes. You don't even know if medical ninjutsu had progressed to the point that would allow him to keep them back then, let alone preserve them for decades.

True but on the other hand, don't you find too coincidential that he only got 1 eye? Wouldn't he manage to get at least the whole set? I don't but for me it just seems too suspicious.

 

[Reaper]

Op its against the rules to multipost,instead use the multiquote feature located next to the reply with quote

Select all the replys you want to reply to and then click reply with quote again.All the selected ones will appear and you can respond to all of them in one post

 

[Byron123]

Op its against the rules to multipost,instead use the multiquote feature located next to the reply with quote

Select all the replys you want to reply to and then click reply with quote again.All the selected ones will appear and you can respond to all of them in one post

Oh I didn't know that. Thanks for informing me.

 

[FearxDeath]

Derp Obito already came up with this a LONG time ago when that chapter first came out. He said that Madara did use Izangi but he believes that Madara knows a way to bring the eye back. The theory revolves around the name "Eternal MS" given to an MS which has regained and cannot lose its light through prolonged use.

Madara gave his eyes to Nagato, and had 1 spare left which he had taken from some Uchiha that had probably died, this is the one eye we see him using while he is talking to Obito.

 

[Byron123]

Lol it is easy for me, and try to explain as much simple as I can :
There are few possibilites:

First possibility in Order
- Madara faked death with Izanagi with his own EMS and don't loose eye due to EMS being perfect stage of sharingan which don't loose light, something like that
- Madara implanted in himself Senjuu DNA and while some of his research/adventures he got his hands on Uchiha sharingans or he simply killed one due to knowing that he would have to give his eyes to someone in future.
- Madara awaken Rinnegan and then implant them in Nagato AND he could use Izanagi cause of some danger loosing one random Uchiha's sharingan in process being left with just one spare.(maybe Nagato attacked him using Rinnnengan without even knowing it.)
- Madara is left with one Sharingan implant.

Second Possibility in Order
- Madara killed some random Uchiha or just got his hands on one pair somehow betweeen leaving Konoha and comming back to fight Hashirama. Why would he do that ? because he did it as failsafe for himself in case of Battle going wrong and Madara dying from Hashirama's Hand. Yeah it could be called anticipation.
- Madara used one of Random Eyes somehow activating Izanagi to escape death from Hashirama
- Madara implants Senjuu DNA and later awake Rinnengan
- Madara implants Rinnengan in Nagato and retrun with just one spare Sharingan as he used other one for Izanagi

Last Possibility in Order
- Madara didn't use Izanagi and used other technique or some other hax to surivives
- Madara implants Senjuu DNA
- Madara kill or not to get new spare sharingan's pair or just not yet
- Madara got Rinnengan and kill Random Uchiha to get his eyes or not anticipating fact that he will implant his own eyes in Nagato, then Madara uses Izanagi to escape to come back to cave.
- Madara is left with just one spare Sharingan


I am sure much more Possibilites are possible , but I can't think of any more besides I won't waste more time for coming with new crazy ideas

Anyway for sure, Key factors in that battle were:

1) If Madara used Izanagi or no
2) If yes the he must killed some Random Uchiha or get some Random Sharingan's pair or he used EMS with it and not loose light somehow else he didn't use Izanagi
3) Anyway he must killed or somehow get his hands of fresh spare pair of sharingan , Whatevevr it was before battle with Hashirama and after leaving Konoha, or after implanting Senjuu DNA and waiting for Rinnengan or even after awaking Rinnengan(small possibility) but for sure not after implainting his own eyes in Nagato, because blind Madara couldn't even surivives let's alone get Sharingan somehow.
4) Did he do everythinh by himself, or did he use some other person help ?, maybe used Zetsu

That all I can come up with, I believe these above stated by Me Factors could be keys to solve your and our question

I hope I helped even just a bit

AMEN, finally a good answer, thank you! The second possibilty is wrong because it is showed that during his ast battle Madara has EMS but it doesn't matter! Finally I got a good answer:yayy::yayy::yayy:

P.S I really liked yur first scenario!

 

[Naijakid]

Yah sometimes I wonder also...why would madara only show one eye???

 

[Honord Sage]

That laboratory that Obito had with all the Uchiha eyes was started by Madara,when ever He could get a Uchiha eye He preserve it. Obito took over and aded more from the Uchiha massacre.

 

[Byron123]

That laboratory that Obito had with all the Uchiha eyes was started by Madara,when ever He could get a Uchiha eye He preserve it. Obito took over and aded more from the Uchiha massacre.

Are you sure? I was under the impression that this laboratory was created by the eyes Obito gathered from Uchiha massacre. If it wasn't for that and Madara did have eyes as you say, why would he stay with one?

 

[linxekim]

What? Just no...