GhostProject
Jōnin Strategist 🧠
- Joined
- Jun 25, 2013
- Messages
- 1,793
- Reaction score
- 212
We all know how much Kishi loves the theme of the older generations living through the newer and the yin-yang concept of multiple paths to arrive at similar outcomes. So far we have seen most of the important ones such as The New Sannin and Team Kakashi and Team Minato. One trinity we have yet to see have a full circle representation as of this point is The Sage and his sons, a trinity with relationships that contains all of the main overall themes in Naruto.
Note: I have not included Madara in the possibilities of the these parallels because he is an old generation Ninja that doesn't have the characterization or interactions to fill the slots as well as other characters from the new generations did. He obviously still has a role, and possibly a major one, to play but it is not one of these roles.
Keep in mind this is a character interaction analysis and will use relationships and interactions to draw parallels to the Sage and his Sons, and make an educated prediction of what the future might hold because of this.
Premise: The Players
The Younger Son, The Elder Son, and the Sage
I will attempt to make these parallels brief, as these will set the lens at which the character interactions will be viewed.
***Note these parallels have nothing to do with power levels. This is purely based on characterization and theming elements.
The Younger Son Representation
Naruto Uzumaki
Will of Fire aligned, and believes in the power of bonds and friendship. Also notably the prophecy child, who has been foreshadowed to be Rikudou's true successor by befriending the Tailed Beasts and leading them down the right path when they became one again. This aligns him perfectly with the Younger Son, who was originally chosen to be the successor.
The Elder Son Representation
Sasuke Uchiha
Curse of Hatred aligned, believes in raw power. As we all know, he is an avenger who is always after more power to overcome his conflicts. His next source of power is his wish to become Hokage, so that he can create something new in place of the 'twisted system.' Seeking power to create peace is the way of the Elder Son, and Sasuke still hasn't changed from that philosophy.
For this last parallel character, I advise that you refer to my previous two threads for a more in depth analysis on why this is true, but it is only needed as a premise for the purpose of this thread. If you cannot agree with it, you do not have to believe Obito is SO6P, Dark Rikudou, Anti-Sage, Dark Naruto, etc. Just keep it in mind when reading interactions in this theory, it will all make sense:
The Sage of the Six Paths Representation
Obito Uchiha
More of an Anti-Sage, Obito is the only character in the manga to compare to Rikudou's feats. Obito brought the greatest war in history, reunited the Tailed Beasts, and became the Juubi Jinchuuriki.
Also has been both Will of Fire aligned and Curse of Hatred aligned, and has promised that he will bring Naruto and Sasuke against each other.
Part 1: Obito in Determining Naruto and Sasuke's Roles
Although not as much of a father figure as Rikudou, Obito hasn't exactly been manipulating, but he has been guiding the outcome of who Naruto and Sasuke became/ will become since their early childhood, that became major factors in the two's bond and rivalry.
1. Obito is the source of Naruto's losses and his childhood of pain, ultimate factors that sculpted who he is. Obito caused this with the Nine-Tails attack on the village. It is also interesting to note that Obito declares here that it was the beginning of his plan to bring peace through war, yet it appeared that his attack was a failure. Crushing Konoha at this point wouldn't leave him any closer to the War, so was it used to set up the idea that Madara was still alive or was it to set up justification for the Uchiha Massacre? What was the true goal?
2. Obito is one of the minds that helped cause the Uchiha Massacre, the event that left Sasuke changed forever and led him down the path of power and hatred. Also interesting to note that Obito's, 'because I have a grudge' response, doesn't exactly correspond with his calculating chessmaster style of engaging the plot. Again, what was the true goal?
Analysis and First Point-
Obito is the only character in the show who had a direct effect on the outcome of the two main characters childhood life-changing tragedy. Not necessarily on purpose, but Obito is the one who essentially both engineered the pain that bonded them as Genin, and the differences in their character that caused their rivalry.
Part 2: Obito in Guiding Naruto vs Sasuke
1. During the Kage Summit Arc directly before the War, Obito all of a sudden grew a huge interest in pulling Naruto towards Sasuke, and pushing Sasuke towards Konoha which would eventually cause their path to intervene, had everything gone according to plan.
Also interesting to note that Obito states he wants Sasuke to fight Naruto to acknowledge the Uchiha clan. The Uchiha Clan that he told Itachi he had a grudge against and helped exterminate. Is there another goal here?
Obito's Effect on pre-war Sasuke:
Obito's purpose regarding Naruto and Sasuke: To recreate the Younger and Elder Son conflict
Analysis and Second Point-
Obito during the pre-war arc was the sole character encouraging the rivalry between Naruto and Sasuke, and implied very heavily that Naruto and Sasuke represent Rikudou's sons. This puts Obito at an additional parallel to the Sage in his relationship to his Sons. Obito said he will be the reason for Naruto and Sasukes fight, much like the Sage's decision sparked the fight of his sons.
Part 3: Obito's Promise
Currently, Sasuke and Naruto's bond has been restored through both of their will to protect the village. The threat of the Juubi and Obito's Moon Eye Plan has forced them to once again cooperate and it seems like they are on the same page.
However, this moment hints that although they are now united under the notion of protecting the leaf village, there is still something to remind us that Naruto and Sasuke have completely different philosophies, and gives us a point at which Naruto and Sasuke still conflict.
But what does this have to do with Obito? Everything:
It is guaranteed that Obito is set to lose, most likely ending with Naruto denying Obito's will with his own. (Although to amass the power necessary to take him down, it will most likely take Naruto/Sasuke's cooperation. The Uchiha tablet states that the two as yin-yang are each supposed to be half of the power of a God, it will take them both to suppress Obito and the Juubi)
However, here is where the parallel comes full circle. In the original Trinity, it can be concluded the Sons didn't hate each other until after Rikudou's deathbed decision, because it wasn't until after that the curse of hatred was born.
Obito's death will be the same. Once the Moon's Eye plan has been dealt with and the War comes to an end, Naruto and Sasuke are going to facing organizing the united shinobi world and what will be done with the Juubi. They are probably going to be in a position similar to these two...
As of right now, Obito is one with the Juubi, the being that will be the source of conflict between Naruto and Sasuke, as seen from their opinions of what should be done with the Ninja World regarding the Tailed Beasts.
Naruto:
Sasuke:
Naruto wants to live in a world where the Tailed Beasts can live in peace and he shows them the way of love, and Sasuke simply doesn't care. With the future of the world in the balance, neither will be willing to back down on their beliefs, and there we'll have it: Naruto vs Sasuke. All foreshadowing will be realized. Obito's defeat and his promise to bring them to their "fated" fight, and during that conflict Naruto will most likely surpass the Sage and complete Rikudou's prophecy.
Conclusion: Obito is the sole character that has had the most influence on both Sasuke and Naruto's bond and rivalry including sculpting their childhood tragedies that ultimately shaped their characters into who they are. In that regard, (although probably completely unaware since he thought to himself that Sasuke and Naruto's fight was soley be for his own amusement) Obito is indirectly responsible for their original bond, the Kage Summit Arc Rivalry, bringing them back together for the War, and stating that he will be the reason for their fated fight that has not yet happened.
Judging by the hatred Sasuke still possesses, and his hatred has shifted towards the Tailed Beasts that Naruto holds dear, I agree that we have yet to see the climax of their rivalry. This will happen when Obito's death occurs, just as the fighting began with the Sons at Rikudou's death.
Comments, questions, disagreements are welcome! =D Do you think that Obito planned to have such an influence in bringing Naruto and Sasuke together (in both bond and conflict)? Or is it just fate of the Sage's Trinity to align like this? Are we in for an Itachi or
Lelouch style planned death in Obito and he is entrusting true peace with Naruto and Sasuke? Will Naruto or Sasuke be able to come to an agreement and achieve understanding and true power like the Uchiha Tablet suggests? Let me know what you think!
Note: I have not included Madara in the possibilities of the these parallels because he is an old generation Ninja that doesn't have the characterization or interactions to fill the slots as well as other characters from the new generations did. He obviously still has a role, and possibly a major one, to play but it is not one of these roles.
Keep in mind this is a character interaction analysis and will use relationships and interactions to draw parallels to the Sage and his Sons, and make an educated prediction of what the future might hold because of this.
Premise: The Players
The Younger Son, The Elder Son, and the Sage
You must be registered for see images
I will attempt to make these parallels brief, as these will set the lens at which the character interactions will be viewed.
***Note these parallels have nothing to do with power levels. This is purely based on characterization and theming elements.
The Younger Son Representation
Naruto Uzumaki
Will of Fire aligned, and believes in the power of bonds and friendship. Also notably the prophecy child, who has been foreshadowed to be Rikudou's true successor by befriending the Tailed Beasts and leading them down the right path when they became one again. This aligns him perfectly with the Younger Son, who was originally chosen to be the successor.
You must be registered for see images
You must be registered for see links
The Elder Son Representation
Sasuke Uchiha
Curse of Hatred aligned, believes in raw power. As we all know, he is an avenger who is always after more power to overcome his conflicts. His next source of power is his wish to become Hokage, so that he can create something new in place of the 'twisted system.' Seeking power to create peace is the way of the Elder Son, and Sasuke still hasn't changed from that philosophy.
You must be registered for see images
You must be registered for see images
For this last parallel character, I advise that you refer to my previous two threads for a more in depth analysis on why this is true, but it is only needed as a premise for the purpose of this thread. If you cannot agree with it, you do not have to believe Obito is SO6P, Dark Rikudou, Anti-Sage, Dark Naruto, etc. Just keep it in mind when reading interactions in this theory, it will all make sense:
You must be registered for see links
You must be registered for see links
The Sage of the Six Paths Representation
Obito Uchiha
More of an Anti-Sage, Obito is the only character in the manga to compare to Rikudou's feats. Obito brought the greatest war in history, reunited the Tailed Beasts, and became the Juubi Jinchuuriki.
Also has been both Will of Fire aligned and Curse of Hatred aligned, and has promised that he will bring Naruto and Sasuke against each other.
Part 1: Obito in Determining Naruto and Sasuke's Roles
Although not as much of a father figure as Rikudou, Obito hasn't exactly been manipulating, but he has been guiding the outcome of who Naruto and Sasuke became/ will become since their early childhood, that became major factors in the two's bond and rivalry.
1. Obito is the source of Naruto's losses and his childhood of pain, ultimate factors that sculpted who he is. Obito caused this with the Nine-Tails attack on the village. It is also interesting to note that Obito declares here that it was the beginning of his plan to bring peace through war, yet it appeared that his attack was a failure. Crushing Konoha at this point wouldn't leave him any closer to the War, so was it used to set up the idea that Madara was still alive or was it to set up justification for the Uchiha Massacre? What was the true goal?
You must be registered for see images
2. Obito is one of the minds that helped cause the Uchiha Massacre, the event that left Sasuke changed forever and led him down the path of power and hatred. Also interesting to note that Obito's, 'because I have a grudge' response, doesn't exactly correspond with his calculating chessmaster style of engaging the plot. Again, what was the true goal?
You must be registered for see images
Analysis and First Point-
Obito is the only character in the show who had a direct effect on the outcome of the two main characters childhood life-changing tragedy. Not necessarily on purpose, but Obito is the one who essentially both engineered the pain that bonded them as Genin, and the differences in their character that caused their rivalry.
You must be registered for see images
Part 2: Obito in Guiding Naruto vs Sasuke
1. During the Kage Summit Arc directly before the War, Obito all of a sudden grew a huge interest in pulling Naruto towards Sasuke, and pushing Sasuke towards Konoha which would eventually cause their path to intervene, had everything gone according to plan.
Also interesting to note that Obito states he wants Sasuke to fight Naruto to acknowledge the Uchiha clan. The Uchiha Clan that he told Itachi he had a grudge against and helped exterminate. Is there another goal here?
You must be registered for see images
Obito's Effect on pre-war Sasuke:
You must be registered for see images
Obito's purpose regarding Naruto and Sasuke: To recreate the Younger and Elder Son conflict
You must be registered for see images
Analysis and Second Point-
Obito during the pre-war arc was the sole character encouraging the rivalry between Naruto and Sasuke, and implied very heavily that Naruto and Sasuke represent Rikudou's sons. This puts Obito at an additional parallel to the Sage in his relationship to his Sons. Obito said he will be the reason for Naruto and Sasukes fight, much like the Sage's decision sparked the fight of his sons.
You must be registered for see images
Part 3: Obito's Promise
You must be registered for see images
Currently, Sasuke and Naruto's bond has been restored through both of their will to protect the village. The threat of the Juubi and Obito's Moon Eye Plan has forced them to once again cooperate and it seems like they are on the same page.
However, this moment hints that although they are now united under the notion of protecting the leaf village, there is still something to remind us that Naruto and Sasuke have completely different philosophies, and gives us a point at which Naruto and Sasuke still conflict.
You must be registered for see images
You must be registered for see images
But what does this have to do with Obito? Everything:
You must be registered for see images
It is guaranteed that Obito is set to lose, most likely ending with Naruto denying Obito's will with his own. (Although to amass the power necessary to take him down, it will most likely take Naruto/Sasuke's cooperation. The Uchiha tablet states that the two as yin-yang are each supposed to be half of the power of a God, it will take them both to suppress Obito and the Juubi)
You must be registered for see images
You must be registered for see images
However, here is where the parallel comes full circle. In the original Trinity, it can be concluded the Sons didn't hate each other until after Rikudou's deathbed decision, because it wasn't until after that the curse of hatred was born.
You must be registered for see images
Obito's death will be the same. Once the Moon's Eye plan has been dealt with and the War comes to an end, Naruto and Sasuke are going to facing organizing the united shinobi world and what will be done with the Juubi. They are probably going to be in a position similar to these two...
You must be registered for see images
As of right now, Obito is one with the Juubi, the being that will be the source of conflict between Naruto and Sasuke, as seen from their opinions of what should be done with the Ninja World regarding the Tailed Beasts.
Naruto:
You must be registered for see images
Sasuke:
You must be registered for see images
Naruto wants to live in a world where the Tailed Beasts can live in peace and he shows them the way of love, and Sasuke simply doesn't care. With the future of the world in the balance, neither will be willing to back down on their beliefs, and there we'll have it: Naruto vs Sasuke. All foreshadowing will be realized. Obito's defeat and his promise to bring them to their "fated" fight, and during that conflict Naruto will most likely surpass the Sage and complete Rikudou's prophecy.
You must be registered for see images
Conclusion: Obito is the sole character that has had the most influence on both Sasuke and Naruto's bond and rivalry including sculpting their childhood tragedies that ultimately shaped their characters into who they are. In that regard, (although probably completely unaware since he thought to himself that Sasuke and Naruto's fight was soley be for his own amusement) Obito is indirectly responsible for their original bond, the Kage Summit Arc Rivalry, bringing them back together for the War, and stating that he will be the reason for their fated fight that has not yet happened.
Judging by the hatred Sasuke still possesses, and his hatred has shifted towards the Tailed Beasts that Naruto holds dear, I agree that we have yet to see the climax of their rivalry. This will happen when Obito's death occurs, just as the fighting began with the Sons at Rikudou's death.
Comments, questions, disagreements are welcome! =D Do you think that Obito planned to have such an influence in bringing Naruto and Sasuke together (in both bond and conflict)? Or is it just fate of the Sage's Trinity to align like this? Are we in for an Itachi or
Lelouch style planned death in Obito and he is entrusting true peace with Naruto and Sasuke? Will Naruto or Sasuke be able to come to an agreement and achieve understanding and true power like the Uchiha Tablet suggests? Let me know what you think!
Last edited:
