Itachi can copy both FTG AND Minatos reflexes with the sharingan

[Sabuto Hayashi]

The Sharingan is not as good as you might believe at copying techniques.

In most cases, S/T jutsu is far too quick to perceive. Without proper training, it would be unusable if the Sharingan user did not know how to properly teleport from A to B. It is not as simple as going to point B or C; I expect each S/T has a complex way of locating a point to teleport to and different means of transferring oneself. That knowledge can only be taught, not copied from a first glance.

Secondly, the Sharingan does not copy reflexes at all. The reason Sasuke was able to move as fast as Lee is because he trained taijutsu and Chidori with Kakashi after the preliminaries. The Sharingan does not aid the user's reflexes, even though it can visually slow and predict movements, and most certainly is not capable of copying the reflexes or attributes of another.

Even if Itachi could use FTG, as unlikely as that is, he lacks the reaction speed to use it as effectively as Minato. He has yet to demonstrate whether his reflexes are on par, but I am doubtful since Minato has some of the fastest reflexes in the entire series.

 

[Chuggs]

Sasuke did not copy Lee's speed.
He copied his fighting style and trained a lot with it to achieve the same speed as Lee.
Speed and reflexes are something that cannot be copied.

 

[Raikiri10]

I have no doubt Itachi's reflexes would be able to keep up with Minato to a certain extent but if Obito couldn't even counter Minatos FTG I highly doubt Itachi could it would probably be a similar case to Lee vs Sasuke when Sasuke could keep up visually but reflexes wise his body was some what lacking hence Lee kept breaking his guard and messed him up.

 

[RikudouMadara]

lol no What is itachi gonna copy?
1)ftg uses no seals
2)itachi doesn't know the jutsu formula
3)he doesn't have the kunai to create warp points

thats like saying itachi can copy rasengan. lol

You are just lovely...I cannot even begin to express the magnificence of your post._@:_@:

OT: Is it manga fact that the Sharingan can copy ANY ninjutsu?
Is FTG a ninjutsu?

Just wondering...if so then the debate is over, right? Can opinions like FTG is too fast to copy...equal manga fact? If there is no proof that he can't...then he can, right? If there is proof that the Sharingan can't copy ANY ninjutsu then the debate is over...especially if the FTG isn't classified as a ninjutsu. Imo Idk can't say I'm 50-50.

 

[sulanis]

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lmao, i totally agree with you. If obito couldn't do it, neither can Itachi.

 

[Baka Sennin]

i'll try not to be mean -.-

firstly, what sasuke copied is lee's taijutsu moves, not his speed. he had to train a month to get the same speed as lee.

secondly, the seal on minato's kunai is already there, so how can itachi copy it? it's an s-rank technique also. if it were that simple, well minato had two students with the sharingan and both didn't even understand the technique, despite them being genii.

 

[Olorin]

Im pretty sure Kishi decided midway through Naruto that Sharingan will no longer be a dojutsu that copies stuff but something that allows you to use special techs like susanoo, tsukuyomi, amaterasu, genjutsu ...

Kakashi copied a LOT of jutsu but still the only really good tech is Raikiri and ofc Kamui ... The rest are pretty mich useles after ep. 20

Also ... Itachi isnt even top 10 amymore, deal with it

 

[RikudouMadara]

Ah...I read on leafninja that the Sharingan can copy seals and chakra moldings. It does not specify hand seals...so if it can copy any ninjutsu, genjutsu, or taijutsu minus KG then it should be able to copy FTG. Also Kakashi says in the manga that he copied Rasengan. Anywho...I'm still not entirely sure but manga facts lead far more towards he can then that he cannot, right? Just wondering. :yayy:

 

[RikudouMadara]

Im pretty sure Kishi decided midway through Naruto that Sharingan will no longer be a dojutsu that copies stuff but something that allows you to use special techs like susanoo, tsukuyomi, amaterasu, genjutsu ...

Kakashi copied a LOT of jutsu but still the only really good tech is Raikiri and ofc Kamui ... The rest are pretty mich useles after ep. 20

Also ... Itachi isnt even top 10 amymore, deal with it

In your opinion he's not top 10, correct? We only can have an opinion on the top, right? Unless.....KISHI?!!! Is that you?!!! :yayy::yayy: Just joking no disrespect man harmless fun. Although...the opinion part stands.

 

[Blaze Release]

His hype for mastery of the sharingan at the age of 8 acts as a canopy to state that he can also use one of the sharingan's prominent ability which is the ability to copy techniques. Its also hyped that, he copied kakashi's Suijinheki to protect himself from Daibakuha.

Anyway hiraishin requires a formula to use.
As for reflex. Such a thing hardly exists in naruto to begin with, with majority confusing it with reaction time.

 

[sasuke base]

He cant copy the unique seal, just because the sharingan sees something doesn't mean it can copy it. Meteorite technique is a perfect example since its unique to rinnengan. (key word "unique") The sharingan cant copy everything

You do know anybody can do ftg if the know the seal Sharingan also lets you understand a justu. Itachi could copy it and use it. good thread never thought of that

 

[RikudouMadara]

His hype for mastery of the sharingan at the age of 8 acts as a canopy to state that he can also use one of the sharingan's prominent ability which is the ability to copy techniques. Its also hyped that, he copied kakashi's Suijinheki to protect himself from Daibakuha.

Anyway hiraishin requires a formula to use.
As for reflex. Such a thing hardly exists in naruto to begin with, with majority confusing it with reaction time.

A Jutsu formula is a special seal correct? I'm not sure but it says it requires a special seal or "Jutsu formula". If it's one in the same or either or, then he should be able to copy it as the copying wheel is said to copy seals. It's generalized as no specific type of seal is specified. Im not trying to argue or disrespect...I just was wondering as I'm not entirely sure if he can or cannot. Tbh I'm almost to the point where idc anymore.:yayy::bye:

 

[RikudouMadara]

You do know anybody can do ftg if the know the seal Sharingan also lets you understand a justu. Itachi could copy it and use it. good thread never thought of that

Yes very good thread indeed...after reading it and giving thought to it...it became something interesting. I very much like it!:flowers

 

[maxwellwilson02]

Just to add an extra point knowing the wording of the seal aka looking at the formula does not automatically mean you know

ftg. If that was the case many people would know how to perform it. You actually have to know hot to go from point A to point

B which is something the sharingan can't copy as it isn't shown how he goes from point a to point B.

 

[RikudouMadara]

Just to add an extra point knowing the wording of the seal aka looking at the formula does not automatically mean you know

ftg. If that was the case many people would know how to perform it. You actually have to know hot to go from point A to point

B which is something the sharingan can't copy as it isn't shown how he goes from point a to point B.

Wouldn't that be an invalid point when concerning an Uchiha? If they can see a Jutsu or seal with the Sharingan...doesn't it give them the ability to completely understand it? Nao, I believe the physical strain is what's to be questioned. Does it physically put a strain on you to actually perform FTG?

I say this because even though Kakashi could copy the Rasengan he could only manage it to a certain degree. Also, the Sharingan gives you the ability to fully understand the Jutsu it copies, right? Wouldn't getting around be a part of that understanding once the Jutsu is copied? Just asking.:yayy: I think he could but not at the degree in which Minato uses it, but imo a ninja like Itachi would be able to use it at about 80% I dare say. Itachi was a unique talent even amongst the Uchiha who are held in high regard for their talents. Making him "probably" the most dangerous ninja ever. All just my opinion of course.

 

[scorezor]

Sharingan can copy seals of a move it sees. This is how Itachi would copy FTG.

We also saw a 2-t and 1-t sasuke copy lees taijutsu speed. I am sure a 3-t/MS pair of eyes could copy minatos reflexes and speed.

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At this point, itachi can use all of minatos own kunai teleportation seals against him, at minatos speed. This is a big weakness for minato as he carries a bunch of these on his person at all times. itachi can then teleport directly to minato and 1-shot him with a kunai or whatever. Itachi after this fight would be even more powerful as he could now use FTG on demand.

Other Simple ways Itachi could defeat Minato

• Tsukuyomi (minato has no knowledge, and has been seen looking into the eyes of his opponent every fight)
• Finger genjutsu - this techinque doesn't even require the victim to look at the finger, it just instantly works
• Koto, if itachi in his prime

go to the manga (in the sharingan hero arc , or how is it spelled) and then ONLY AFTER THAT tell me if he can copy the ftg , BECAUSE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE , HE FIRST NEED TO MASTER THAT TECNIQUE , MINATO CAN ONLY USE IT , BECAUSE OF THE SEALS THAT ARE IN THE KUNAI(where he grabs it , ofc).

 

[maxwellwilson02]

Wouldn't that be an invalid point when concerning an Uchiha? If they can see a Jutsu or seal with the Sharingan...doesn't it give them the ability to completely understand it? Nao, I believe the physical strain is what's to be questioned. Does it physically put a strain on you to actually perform FTG?

I say this because even though Kakashi could copy the Rasengan he could only manage it to a certain degree. Also, the Sharingan gives you the ability to fully understand the Jutsu it copies, right? Wouldn't getting around be a part of that understanding once the Jutsu is copied? Just asking.:yayy: I think he could but not at the degree in which Minato uses it, but imo a ninja like Itachi would be able to use it at about 80% I dare say. Itachi was a unique talent even amongst the Uchiha who are held in high regard for their talents. Making him "probably" the most dangerous ninja ever. All just my opinion of course.

It cannot understand what it can't see. When minato uses ftg all you notice is that he is gone. its instantaeous.People are thinking too much about the copying ability of the sharingan. It's not that good, there is a reason why kishi barely uses it in part 2 and most of the jutsu kakashi uses are not the sharingan copied one.

 

[RikudouMadara]

It cannot understand what it can't see. When minato uses ftg all you notice is that he is gone. its instantaeous.People are thinking too much about the copying ability of the sharingan. It's not that good, there is a reason why kishi barely uses it in part 2 and most of the jutsu kakashi uses are not the sharingan copied one.

I understand what you're saying...I'm saying once the seal or formula is seen or read...wouldn't all other intricacies be understood? The seal is placed on the kunai, correct? Not trying to disrespect you I'm just saying, if he can read the formula he can completely understand the Jutsu, but performing it to the originals degree is where we should be thinking at, right? It's already apparent imo he can copy it, but the degree of utilization is what is an unknown. I believe with time with FTG to go train Itachi could use it at 100% efficiency, or possibly improve it. He is a very smart person minus his Uchiha abilities. Just my opinion.

 

[maxwellwilson02]

I understand what you're saying...I'm saying once the seal or formula is seen or read...wouldn't all other intricacies be understood? The seal is placed on the Kunai, correct? Not trying to disrespect you I'm just saying, if he can read the formula he can completely understand the Jutsu, but performing it to the originals degree is where we should be thinking at, right? It's already apparent imo he can copy it, but the degree of utilization is what is an unknown. I believe with time with FTG to go train Itachi could use it at 100% efficiency, or possibly improve it. He is a very smart person minus his Uchiha abilities. Just my opinion.

Not necessarily. With most jutsu you perform the hand seals to use. With ftg all we know is that there is a seal on a kunai or whatever it is on at the time. How minato uses that formula is the question. If all it was is knowing what's written on the seal many more ninjas would be capable of using it but that's not the case. Unlike ninjutsu , fuinjutsu ( jutsu that use seals) is a whole next type of area and you would presumably have to be a master in that area to understand how ftg works.
P.s - just to clarify what's written on the seal is not an instruction guide on how to do the move.

 

[RikudouMadara]

Not necessarily. With most jutsu you perform the hand seals to use. With ftg all we know is that there is a seal on a kunai or whatever it is on at the time. How minato uses that formula is the question. If all it was is knowing what's written on the seal many more ninjas would be capable of using it but that's not the case. Unlike ninjutsu , fuinjutsu ( jutsu that use seals) is a whole next type of area and you would presumably have to be a master in that area to understand how ftg works.
P.s - just to clarify what's written on the seal is not an instruction guide on how to do the move.

I understand and very much like what you say, but any other ninja does not possess the Sharingan. Even moreso, a lot of Uchiha don't even possess the Sharingan prowess that Itachi has/had. Nao, it is said that Sharingan can copy a seal and use it and utilize it. I think there is the difference between a ordinary ninja seeing it vs a Uchiha. It's like how Kakashi copied Zabuzas attack by seeing it but someone without the sharingan could see it but still not copy it, correct? Nao, I would wholeheartedly agree if not for the Sharingans ability. Again no disrespect.