Wind vs Lightning: Which has stronger cutting properties?

[AlphaScythian]

Vibrating a blade doesn't make it sharper. so answer your own question

isnt that why we have chain saws? While in theory wind may have the sharpness, lightning high oscillations simply destroy everything upon contact hence make it better for cutting or splitting anything in half.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

isnt that why we have chain saws? While in theory wind may have the sharpness, lightning high oscillations simply destroy everything upon contact hence make it better for cutting or splitting anything in half.

And at the end of the day is the bits any sharper than it was before? or did it hit the same target over and over?

 

[AlphaScythian]

And at the end of the day is the bits any sharper than it was before? or did it hit the same target over and over?

Wind itself isnt sharp either, in fact naruto had to learn to make it sharp. So the sharpness is dependent on users control.
When kakashi cut v1 biju arms he didnt have to form a blade, simple lightning bolt was enough, shall i remind you that even kusanagi failed to pierce that?
You form a blade from chakra, wind chakra and lightning chakra. In the end of the day lightning is best for cutting due to high oscillations and high temperature it brings to the table aside sharpness achieved by the blade form.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

You seem to be suggesting that lightning itself that's manipulated into a shape, cannot benefit from it's own vibrations.

Only when its run through objects does it generate vibrations. Sasuke can make his nature chakra take shape but it wont be any sharper than regular chakra.

That's what was stated, unless I am mistaken.

u are mistaken. the word pierce and the word cut are not synonymous. No where in that scan is the word cut used. U also seem to lack of understanding of what the word vibrate means.

Vibrate:Move or cause to move continuously and rapidly to and fro

By moving back and forth it repeatedly hits a selected area. Effectively causing wear and tear and chipping at the same spot.

Lightning is made into a shape. The lightning vibrates itself. The lightning becomes sharper. That's what you seem to have trouble understanding.

scans please? where in the manga does it say that? In this manga lightening only creates vibrations when something is being used as a medium.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Wind itself isnt sharp either, in fact naruto had to learn to make it sharp. So the sharpness is dependent on users control.
When kakashi cut v1 biju arms he didnt have to form a blade, simple lightning bolt was enough, shall i remind you that even kusanagi failed to pierce that?
You form a blade from chakra, wind chakra and lightning chakra. In the end of the day lightning is best for cutting due to high oscillations and high temperature it brings to the table aside sharpness achieved by the blade form.

Lightening isn't sharp though. Nice how u compare an inexperienced naruto to the well versed kakashi.Yet frs is sharp enough to cut even on the cellular level. Yet cast net rips through lightening armour in 1 cut. Wind is the only chakra nature that increases sharpness and cuts no matter what form its in.
not all v2 jins are the same. naruto having the most tails would have the most durable cloak

 

[BlinkST]

Only when its run through objects does it generate vibrations.

Lightning chakra is an object. Lightning chakra itself vibrates. Lightning chakra is sharper. It's not rocket science.

the word pierce and the word cut are not synonymous. No where in that scan is the word cut used.

The word pierce is used because the pencil was meant to pierce. There is no evidence that cutting would not benefit from vibrations the same way piercing would.

 

[BlackFlame44]

The wind since basic wind jutsu can cut when basic lightning style can't

 

[FlemSmack]

Wind considering cutting is about the only thing it has been shown to do.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Lightening isn't sharp though. Nice how u compare an inexperienced naruto to the well versed kakashi.Yet frs is sharp enough to cut even on the cellular level. Yet cast net rips through lightening armour in 1 cut. Wind is the only chakra nature that increases sharpness and cuts no matter what form its in.
not all v2 jins are the same. naruto having the most tails would have the most durable cloak

Never did manga state that wind tops lightning in sharpness,
I wasnt comparing kakashi's skill to anything. Learn to read. A simple lightning bolt w/o sharp edges is still capable of splitting most of the shit due vibration and temperatures that do not depend on any medium as seen in kakashi vs jins. Formed into blade increased splitting power 100 fold.

A wind only gets to be sharp when formed into a blade but so does even normal chakra and so does lightning blade. Splitting capability of the wind depends mostly on formed blade of lightning it does not, hence lightning tops here. Get it now or is logic too hard to follow?

 

[Frikid]

Only when its run through objects does it generate vibrations. Sasuke can make his nature chakra take shape but it wont be any sharper than regular chakra.


u are mistaken. the word pierce and the word cut are not synonymous. No where in that scan is the word cut used. U also seem to lack of understanding of what the word vibrate means.

Vibrate:Move or cause to move continuously and rapidly to and fro

By moving back and forth it repeatedly hits a selected area. Effectively causing wear and tear and chipping at the same spot.

scans please? where in the manga does it say that? In this manga lightening only creates vibrations when something is being used as a medium.

this is not related to the topic, i would let you know there are some people who you would not want to mess with or you can say , they would make you work hard in putting up a argument.
One of them is BlinkST

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Lightning chakra is an object. Lightning chakra itself vibrates. Lightning chakra is sharper. It's not rocket science.

proof please for bold. As for it being sharper.....no we have seen time and time again that that's not the case. Sasuke's sword clash with mifune. Sasuke's chidori vs naruto's rasengan. Stalemating against chakra without a nature. Yet in the times we do see wind clash with chakra without a nature it comes out victorious. cutting its way through danzo's wind tech vs sasuke's susanno. Temari and co's cast net vs 3rd raikage's iron body and lightening armour.

The word pierce is used because the pencil was meant to pierce. There is no evidence that cutting would not benefit from vibrations the same way piercing would.

The blade itself isnt sharper Its just hitting the same spot over and over again. in the face of something sharper (wind blade) the only thing that would get damaged is the vibrating sword. Thats why chainsaw's, clippers etc get dull fast.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

this is not related to the topic, i would let you know there are some people who you would not want to mess with or you can say , they would make you work hard in putting up a argument.
One of them is BlinkST

he says the same crap and the same scans over and over again. When i show him other scans that prove his worng assumption wrong he......he says the same crap and the same scans over and over again. When i show him other scans that prove his worng assumption wrong he......he says the same crap and the same scans over and over again. When i show him other scans that prove his worng assumption wrong he......

See what i mean?

 

[BlinkST]

proof please for bold. As for it being sharper.....no we have seen time and time again that that's not the case.

Kisame plainly stated it's sharper because of the vibrations.

The blade itself isnt sharper Its just hitting the same spot over and over again.

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The object isn't doing anything. It's the chakra covering it that does the cutting, not the blade.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Kisame plainly stated it's sharper because of the vibrations.

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The object isn't doing anything. It's the chakra covering it that does the cutting, not the blade.

Here we go again. The object is doing the cutting not the chakra

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If it was the chakra saske's sword should have cut through mifune'd sword.
I'm sick of going in cirles with you. Your not bringing anything new to the table.

 

[Exaar]

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Apparently, it does, and Lightning is superior to due to the higher vibration frequency. You might understand the concept of oscillations if you've ever been to a barber.

Judging from what kisame said, He was surprised a Raiton attack was able to surpass a futon attack in terms of penetration.

So thats tells me on average a Futton attack is better than a raiton attack in terms of Cutting/penetration.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Wind makes a straight cut through almost anything, even rock.

Lightning exploits weaknesses and breaks the target apart.

Wind has better cutting properties, and lightning has better penetration properties.

Make sense?

this guy said it the best . i can reiterate it as much as possible to help u understand but..... Some people are just too thick

 

[Voidstep]

seems Blink still didn't understood, even after so many people trying to explain it :|

try to understand something first. the fact that wind is better suited for cutting and lightning better suited for piercing doesn't mean wind can't pierce or that lightning can't cut.
they both cut and pierce, but one is stronger on cutting and the other on piercing.

here we can see that wind can pierce through a tree and could pierce through a rock without much effort...
are we going to start arguing now that wind is better at piercing than lightning just because of it!?!?

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here we can see Temari slicing a large radius of trees with just 1 blow...

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[BlinkST]

Here we go again. The object is doing the cutting not the chakra

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A pencil of all things does not cut. It stabs. The drawing shows that the chakra covering the kunai cut Obito's mask, not the kunai itself.

 

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[BlinkST]

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I'm not sure what you're trying to say. The manga nor databook stated wind was sharper than Lightning. The databook states one of wind'ss strengths as an element is that it is good for a certain range of jutsu, which is what Asuma was communicating to Naruto. There's nothing stated about it being better at anything.