Wind vs Lightning: Which has stronger cutting properties?

[BenjerminGaye]

Yet the only reason asuma's stopped was because he stated that he didn't throw it hard because he was simply giving an example, Your just assuming bee did the same even though he was trying to kill.

If your trying to kill someone, You won't throw such a thing softly.

That not even the reason. He said it stopped in the rock because of the amount of chakra he put into it. Had he really been trying (not to throw harder but to put more chakra in) it would have went through the rock as well.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Raiton has probably the greatest cutting/slicing feat in the manga.

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Which was claimed to be able to even harm

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I doubt there's anything raiden wouldn't cut through.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Raiton has probably the greatest cutting/slicing feat in the manga.

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I doubt there's anything raiden wouldn't cut through.

asuma's blades would achieve the same if not greater feat. Danzo's wind techs can probably pull that off, so can jinton.

 

[BlinkST]

It isn't unblock able.

The point is not whether or not it's unblock-able. The point is that it would not be referred to as that if the Lightning did not enhance the cutting. Chidori is not limited to stabbing. It also cuts.

But when it comes to wind asuma already said the sharper blade will win. Vibrations wont make your blade sharper but wind chakra will.

Once again, you make it sound as if the chakra is inside the weapon, as opposed to covering it. I'm not sure why you proudly insist on stating the actual blade becomes sharp, when it's a case of the chakra covering it that is sharp.

yet when its not being used to stab its significantly weaker.

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Once again, you are showing Chakra (Lightning) cancelling chakra. That has nothing to do with the sharpness of the chakra, but instead the quantity of the chakra itself.

 

[EliteKakashi]

asuma's blades would achieve the same if not greater feat. Danzo's wind techs can probably pull that off, so can jinton.

Except there's absolutely no proof that a futon technique could even come close to cutting it. Kusanagi couldn't even do it.

Jinton probably would..but it's a mix of 3 elements, not a single element.

The greatest piercing weapon in Naruto history failed to even harm a shroud, much less slice through it. Raiden sliced through it like butter. I fail to believe at this point that a futon technique could have similar effect.

 

[Voidstep]

Raiton has probably the greatest cutting/slicing feat in the manga.

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Something not even

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Which was claimed to be able to even harm

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I doubt there's anything raiden wouldn't cut through.

it was the 9 tails chakra shroud the kusanagi couldn't cut, but not sure if it makes any difference tbh...

and about feats, wind tech has some nice ones too, like slicing susano'o v3....

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[BenjerminGaye]

The point is not whether or not it's unblock-able. The point is that it would not be referred to as that if the Lightning did not enhance the cutting. Chidori is not limited to stabbing. It also cuts.



Once again, you make it sound as if the chakra is inside the weapon, as opposed to covering it. I'm not sure why you proudly insist on stating the actual blade becomes sharp, when it's a case of the chakra covering it that is sharp.

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Once again, you are showing Chakra (Lightning) cancelling chakra. That has nothing to do with the sharpness of the chakra, but instead the quantity of the chakra itself.

every time chidori or raikiri is used/being described the word pierce not cut is used. In the very datebook scan u showed me it says pierce everything not cut. It even took the time out to say the only thing it cuts well is steel. And guess what? in all times used the only thing it cut well was steel. The moment the opposing force got enhanced by chakra( doesn't even need a type) it stopped cutting.

I insist on the actual blade becoming sharp because if u use something dull(insert sword here) and repeatedly hit it(only effect of lightening chakra i.e. vibrations) against something sharp(blade covered in wind chakra) thy only thing that's going to get damaged is the dull blade.

Im done.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Except there's absolutely no proof that a futon technique could even come close to cutting it. Kusanagi couldn't even do it.

Jinton probably would..but it's a mix of 3 elements, not a single element.

The greatest piercing weapon in Naruto history failed to even harm a shroud, much less slice through it. Raiden sliced through it like butter. I fail to believe at this point that a futon technique could have similar effect.

sword of kungsai(oro') isnt the greatest piercing weapon. Sword of totsuka is. Oro's grass long sword is just a sword that changes its length. Danzo's wind tech almost made it through a compete susanno. Frs cuts on the cellular level. lets be real here.

 

[EliteKakashi]

it was the 9 tails chakra shroud the kusanagi couldn't cut, but not sure if it makes any difference tbh...

and about feats, wind tech has some nice ones too, like slicing susano'o v3....

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I'm doubting that the tails makes much of a difference in the shroud strength, given there were multiple beasts that raiden cut down, and it cut through them all with the same ease.

And the futon didn't slice through the susanoo on it's own. It was amplified by Baku's vacuum. Probably impressive without Baku all the same, but I doubt it compares to raiden's feat.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I'm doubting that the tails makes much of a difference in the shroud strength, given there were multiple beasts that raiden cut down, and it cut through them all with the same ease.

And the futon didn't slice through the susanoo on it's own. It was amplified by Baku's vacuum. Probably impressive without Baku all the same, but I doubt it compares to raiden's feat.

Considering that guy's morning pecock achieved the same results its not that impressive and 1 doubt v2 is tougher that complete susanno.

 

[BlinkST]

every time chidori or raikiri is used/being described the word pierce not cut is used.

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It turns a person's hand into a sword. Just because they use it mainly for stabbing, not mean it's only capable of stabbing. That's the difference.

In the very datebook scan u showed me it says pierce everything not cut. It even took the time out to say the only thing it cuts well is steel. And guess what? in all times used the only thing it cut well was steel.

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Unless you have trouble with english, it rather plainly says it cuts. Nothing mentioned there about stabbing. Steel was the example given, unless you think human flesh and wood are both made of steel.

I insist on the actual blade becoming sharp because [Snipped]

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Using chakra to enhance weapons, has little to with the actual weapons themselves. The chakra is what does the cutting due to shape manipulation. The weapon itself simply makes the chakra easier to use.

 

[EliteKakashi]

sword of kungsai(oro') isnt the greatest piercing weapon. Sword of totsuka is. Oro's grass long sword is just a sword that changes its length. Danzo's wind tech almost made it through a compete susanno. Frs cuts on the cellular level. lets be real here.

The sword of totsuka is the greatest sealing weapon. Not piercing. On top of that, Totsuka has no piercing feats(other than going through Orochimaru) or hype. Kusanagi was hyped to be able to cut through something as hard as diamond. It's more than "just a sword that changes length", lol..

Already responded to the Danzo feat, even though it's not as impressive as the shrouds to begin with.

FRS is impressive..but we're not sure what exactly the shroud of a bijuu is composed of and we're unaware if it'd be able to cut through it. Not to mention, FRS had little to no effect on the Third Raikage. The only reason I can assume that is the case is due to his raiton armor(which is kind of backed up by Dodai stating that he is "frighteningly powerful"). He didn't even appear to break apart then reform as an ET body would.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Considering that guy's morning pecock achieved the same results its not that impressive and 1 doubt v2 is tougher that complete susanno.

Gai's morning peacock didn't cut through anything...how is that relevant to this? He hit them with it..he didn't cut them with it.

I'm going off the greatest piercing sword not being able to cut through something, but raiden cutting through it with ease. Susanoo vs shroud is debatable, but the feats go in favor of the shroud at this point, I would think.

Kusanagi couldn't even harm the shroud. Raiden didn't struggle at all with it. There's still no futon feat that matches it at this point.

 

[KingHashirama]

Wind always wins:

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[Voidstep]

I'm doubting that the tails makes much of a difference in the shroud strength, given there were multiple beasts that raiden cut down, and it cut through them all with the same ease.

And the futon didn't slice through the susanoo on it's own. It was amplified by Baku's vacuum. Probably impressive without Baku all the same, but I doubt it compares to raiden's feat.

1st of all, susano'o is supposedly a stronger defense than the bijuus shrouds. kusanagi sword wouldn't even scratch it either.

2nd, Kakashi is using a clone to increase the effect of his raiton, creating something similar to a laser or sort of. isn't that comparable to Danzo using the vacuum to his advantage!?!? xD

anyway, they are both greats feats.
I think Kakashi was smart in connecting 2 raitons and making that laser type of raiton jutsu... and IMO that's probably the greatest cutting tech the lightning element can achieve.

 

[RNITBmsage]

lightning slashes

 

[BenjerminGaye]

The sword of totsuka is the greatest sealing weapon. Not piercing. On top of that, Totsuka has no piercing feats(other than going through Orochimaru) or hype. Kusanagi was hyped to be able to cut through something as hard as diamond. It's more than "just a sword that changes length", lol..

Already responded to the Danzo feat, even though it's not as impressive as the shrouds to begin with.

FRS is impressive..but we're not sure what exactly the shroud of a bijuu is composed of and we're unaware if it'd be able to cut through it. Not to mention, FRS had little to no effect on the Third Raikage. The only reason I can assume that is the case is due to his raiton armor(which is kind of backed up by Dodai stating that he is "frighteningly powerful"). He didn't even appear to break apart then reform as an ET body would.

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His shroud/armour disappeared and his body was left smoking.
anyways i think asuma can cut raiden with his flying swallow(frs/cho oddama frs can work as well) since thats the best cutting feat a raiton tech has shown so far.

 

[BlinkST]

Wind always wins:

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Wrong show bud.

 

[Icelerate]

Like others before me have said, wind is better at cutting/slicing through objects. Meanwhile, lighting is better at piercing/penetrating through defences.

Some of you might be confused on the difference between the two. Both wind and lightning are good at both but going by manga feats, it becomes clear that each has its advantages in one category over the other.

Now let's define piercing and slashing. Piercing is basically a sword stab whereas slashing is moving a sword for an attack in a circular motion. Therefore, penetration deals with linear force whereas cutting/slicing deals with a circular force. With this in mind, we can conclude that lightning is concentrated in order to increase its penetration. On the other hand, wind tends to spread out to increase the amount of slashing that occurs.

Lightning is generally better at penetration. This is evidenced when Temari

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when Sasuke managed to penetrate through Gaara's defence. Furthermore, when Naruto threw his

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at the 3rd Raikage and when Temari used the

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, it didn't fully penetrate through the Third Raikage's durable body. On the contrary, the 3rd Raikage's

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managed to pierce right threw his body. This doesn't make lightning natured attacks more powerful than wind natured attacks. In both Wind Cast Net and Rasenshuriken's cases, the wind attacks tend to spread out whereas lightning attacks, chidori and hell stab, remained concentrated in a linear fashion.

Now despite Temari not being able to penetrate Gaara's sand,

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which no lightning user has shown the capability of doing. This is because wind attacks generally spread around so they can cut a much wider range than can lightning.

All in all, wind does a lower amount of damage over a wider area whereas lightning does a higher amount of damage over a lower area.

Finally, in a sword fight, both wind and lightning infused blades would increase their slashing and stabbing abilities but wind infused swords would be even better at slashing than lightning infused blades, whereas, lighting infused blades would be better at stabbing in comparison to wind infused blades. Both wind and lightning infused blades would have a stronger slash and stab than regular blades though.