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[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

I'll only comment on Italy, i don't care about the rest

 

[Escorpiius]

I'll only comment on Italy, i don't care about the rest

That's your right but my question simply didn't concerned them because they aren't under-performing.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

That's your right but my question simply didn't concerned them because they aren't under-performing.

what are you talking about ? Haiti make a come back against the great Italian defense, and also the U-21 Strikers is playing like Torres in the last game against Norway, there is no way the can take on Netherlands in the semi's let alone Spain....

 

[Escorpiius]

what are you talking about ? Haiti make a come back against the great Italian defense, and also the U-21 Strikers is playing like Torres in the last game against Norway, there is no way the can take on Netherlands in the semi's let alone Spain....

Fluke happens. Even Sweden came back 4-4 against Germany; but that doesn't mean Germany are under-performing or are less favorites.

And personally, I won't rate the U-21 as such a focal-point. At most, the only team whose U-21 could bring quite some difference on the table in Brazil, is Netherlands.

Italy got a great U-21 team but that being said, it's going to be hard for most players to grab starting positions at WC. Verrati & Insigne at most; with Gabbiadini perhaps too. I personally don't see the National team of Italy as World-Cup favorites at all; but that being said, they made a good blend of their experienced midfield with young prospects like El-Shaa, Balotelli, Verrati ect...

For example, France got a nearly-similar strong squad like Italy; but compared to the Azzuri, they are way more under-performing.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Fluke happens. Even Sweden came back 4-4 against Germany; but that doesn't mean Germany are under-performing or are less favorites.

nah the 4-4 of Sweden and 2-2 of Haiti is not a fluke, The Germans completely stopped playing when they scored the 4th Goal and let Sweden take control, they did try to retaliate but the current is too strong,

and in Italy vs Haiti game, the Azzuri got dominated almost in the entire game, it was a deserve draw, no fluke.

And personally, I won't rate the U-21 as such a focal-point. At most, the only team whose U-21 could bring quite some difference on the table in Brazil, is Netherlands.

Italy got a great U-21 team but that being said, it's going to be hard for most players to grab starting positions at WC. Verrati & Insigne at most; with Gabbiadini perhaps too. I personally don't see the National team of Italy as World-Cup favorites at all; but that being said, they made a good blend of their experienced midfield with young prospects like El-Shaa, Balotelli, Verrati ect...

For example, France got a nearly-similar strong squad like Italy; but compared to the Azzuri, they are way more under-performing.

well you do have a point, I've been Italy fans for years and not even once (well maybe sometimes) they give a young lad a chance in a important tournaments, they always valued experience over hype.....

 

[King-Panda]

Introduction:
I think I might have or might have not posted here yet, anyway hey everyone ;P

The team I support is Sporting Clube de Portugal (also known as Sporting Lisbon). I follow the main european leagues, such as England, Spain, Portugal, France, Italy, Holland, Turkey, Germany, etc premier leagues, in some cases also the second league division. But also have knowledge about North African teams and from South Africa, south american and mexico.

I play football manager, since the 2007 edition, but only played the fm7, fm11, and recently started playing fm13.

Some stuff I have to say about Sporting's players

Not being biased, but Bruma, which plays for Sporting is a great players. He's 18, seems humble, and have shown great skills. If he contines to work hard, he'll become well famous. Sporting has rejected many proposal for him, from clubs such as man city, bayern, etc.... Theres a new predisent, and unlike the last one, he doesn't sell too cheap even thou sporting has big financial problems.
Andre Carrillo, peruvian winger, is also sick! If he works hard he can be at least a "Nani"....

Well won't be keeping on talking about SCP players, but there are some other good ones such as Rui Patricio (keeper), Andre Martins (MC), Eric Dier, Tiago Illori, etc... From all the ones I mentioned only Carrillo wasn't "made there". But came with 19 years.
Sporting is also famous to launch players such as Cristiano Ronaldo, Luis Figo, Futre, Nani as I have mentioned, Joao Moutinho, etc...


Some other stuff
Premier Leauge is the best by far. With many clubs fighting fot the first places.... Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham, Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Everton, ETC....
Some say the Spanish League, when actually its always Barcelona and Madrid. Then the 3 place is normally fought by valencia, atletico madrid, malaga....

French League is getting interesting... AS Monaco is getting a strong arsenal, already got Falcao, Moutinho and James (funny that they all played for Porto). PSG won't be quiet during the summer too.

Coming back to premier league, Tottenham is doing everything possible to keep Bale. Even if he is sold, AVB, great great great manager, which in his second year as a manager won every competition Porto was in, without losing a single game I believe, and yeah if they sell bale he will know what players to buy!

Hulk is such a great player but not so known, would be amazing for him to go chelsea or tottenham...

I believe I have said too much. will continue in another post

 

[Grim]

Thiago Alcantara Scores Hat trick vs Italy in 4 - 2 win in final game of U21 championship. Simply amazing... much better game than Australia vs Iraq "it was pain to watch"

 

[King-Panda]

I want to see how Mourinho will do in chelsea...

Maybe he should have chosen a team like Man City or Liverpool. Chelsea has won what they always wanted, the champions league, even though it wasn't magic, they done it and it was recently!

So if Mou wins it won't be the same as if he did it for the first time in chelsea history! Training a team like Liverpool or Man City, he would uplift the teams even more, and show he is the Special and Unique One

 

[Escorpiius]

I want to see how Mourinho will do in chelsea...

Maybe he should have chosen a team like Man City or Liverpool. Chelsea has won what they always wanted, the champions league, even though it wasn't magic, they done it and it was recently!

So if Mou wins it won't be the same as if he did it for the first time in chelsea history! Training a team like Liverpool or Man City, he would uplift the teams even more, and show he is the Special and Unique One

Liverpool?!? Like seriously... Mourinho needs investments and talents to succeed. All real talent that Liverpool got, can be resumed in an outstanding striker who bites both goals and defenders, and who wants to move away to Madrid. Liverpool is a mid-tier table now.

As for City and Chelsea, there's no big difference. Both got world-class players and he'll get big amount to invest at both clubs. I don't think it matters to him, if the money is from Russian gas or Qatar petrol...

But Chelsea can provide something to Mourinho that City cannot - Trust! Mourinho is already a fan-favorite at Chelsea. be it among players, staffs, Chelsea hierarchy and most importantly, fans! He had already built a relation with Chelsea. If he joined City, he would have had to tread new relations all over again. City fans still love Mancini & the owners still want big results - so it's not as easy to be appreciated at City. It remains a risk.

Mourinho recently learned at RM how it's difficult to coach a club where you don't have support. I think, going to a club where he already got support and trust and don't have to earn it, was a heavy influence to his Chelsea move. Chelsea also got a winning mentality, stronger than City imo. So, overall, it was wiser to go Chelsea in all cases.

It's not a matter of what new achievements he may set. Chelsea is simply the club that can offer Mou, the best comfort right now.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

3 Points....nothing more....

Japan fought like tigers ... but if history taught us anything is that Italy is cold as ice !

 

[Kurogane]

3 Points....nothing more....

Japan fought like tigers ... but if history taught us anything is that Italy is cold as ice !

I think i red that on goal.com

Is that you ?

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

yeah, the one with Juve pic is my alt account to troll rubentus xd

 

[Escorpiius]

3 Points....nothing more....

Japan fought like tigers ... but if history taught us anything is that Italy is cold as ice !

Well, Confed. is a prelude to WC. At most, I can say that this match prove my theory that Russia, Japan, Mexico and Columbia are going to be highly interesting underdogs - with lots of surprise packages.

That being said, I wonder how Russia would fare; if Capello were to leave for PSG.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Well Capello did have some influence with how Russia played in the past few month losing him will be a big blow for them, oh wait they can always get Mancini!!!!
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Ok let see what happen now.....

 

[Escorpiius]

Well Capello did have some influence with how Russia played in the past few month losing him will be a big blow for them, oh wait they can always get Mancini!!!!
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Ok let see what happen now.....

Capello is a class apart from Mancini. Besides, Mancini is good in club domestic competitions and a complete jinx in Champions League. So, how would he could fare with an international selection is almost a complete mystery...

Getting interesting but in any case, this affair will now die out a little bit since the hearing is in September.

There's the rumor that Arsenal wanna break their club-record fee for Higuain. Well, they do need a striker but I actually saw Higuain as Juventus-bound In any case, I like this news because even if Arsene makes a big-name signing, I don't think he'll repeat it twice in same summer. So, if Higuain goes to Arsenal, might as well, conclude that Rooney isn't going to Arsenal.

 

[King-Panda]

Jheeeez that's why Japan is my fav asian team, did you guys see them play??? Italy was bare lucky man

I like Italy, but was actually supporting Japan, and supporting italy a bit too, didn't just have a side, was enjoying a great match

Liverpool?!? Like seriously... Mourinho needs investments and talents to succeed. All real talent that Liverpool got, can be resumed in an outstanding striker who bites both goals and defenders, and who wants to move away to Madrid. Liverpool is a mid-tier table now.

As for City and Chelsea, there's no big difference. Both got world-class players and he'll get big amount to invest at both clubs. I don't think it matters to him, if the money is from Russian gas or Qatar petrol...

But Chelsea can provide something to Mourinho that City cannot - Trust! Mourinho is already a fan-favorite at Chelsea. be it among players, staffs, Chelsea hierarchy and most importantly, fans! He had already built a relation with Chelsea. If he joined City, he would have had to tread new relations all over again. City fans still love Mancini & the owners still want big results - so it's not as easy to be appreciated at City. It remains a risk.

Mourinho recently learned at RM how it's difficult to coach a club where you don't have support. I think, going to a club where he already got support and trust and don't have to earn it, was a heavy influence to his Chelsea move. Chelsea also got a winning mentality, stronger than City imo. So, overall, it was wiser to go Chelsea in all cases.

It's not a matter of what new achievements he may set. Chelsea is simply the club that can offer Mou, the best comfort right now.

Liverpool would have to take a risk and let him buy some players.

And we can't compare Spanish with English supporters. Every portuguese know that the spanish don't like to see one of them that might be better than them. Look at how the media was against mourinho and ronaldo. The oppositions supporters many times call ronaldo names mentioning the fact that he is portuguese, like "portuguese mother f...."..

And winning the champions for man city would be madness, new thing, new level

But I know where you coming from, and he also missed when he was loved, he needed some love, after all the spanish hate. And will be good form him to get back in top.

 

[Escorpiius]

Liverpool would have to take a risk and let him buy some players.

And we can't compare Spanish with English supporters. Every portuguese know that the spanish don't like to see one of them that might be better than them. Look at how the media was against mourinho and ronaldo. The oppositions supporters many times call ronaldo names mentioning the fact that he is portuguese, like "portuguese mother f...."..

And winning the champions for man city would be madness, new thing, new level

But I know where you coming from, and he also missed when he was loved, he needed some love, after all the spanish hate. And will be good form him to get back in top.

Liverpool barely got a budget that could attract Mourinho. They were going to buy around 2-3 young prospects. That has now been extended to 5 young promising players as Andy Caroll's sale handed Rodgers a £42 Million transfer wallet. Iago Aspas has been signed & Henrikh Mkhitaryan, Simon Mignolet, Christian Atsu and Luis Alberto are nearly all wrapped deals since there are few contenders for their signature. Overall, an unsurprising spending by Liverpool and it's something that won't really help them contend for Champions League place. Their biggest transfer deal would be to retain Suarez, and I almost don't count on that.

Well, the bias and harshness by Spanish media on both Mou & CR7 is something that became really more than apparent with time. It wasn't always like that though but the National success of Spain over the years changed that, for the worst.

Winning the Champions League with any team remain outstanding achievement. And there's always records to be made with Chelsea. Like if he win it, it would be around another generation of players as most of his old-school players are now mostly from the past era. Also, he would be "technically" be first coach of Chelsea to win CL, since DiMatteo was only an Interim Coach when he won the CL with Chelsea. He became the coach; only after he won CL - before being fired! Last thing, if Mourinho wants to target records with Chelsea in CL, he may always try to equal Notthingam Forest (or even Man.United)'s No. of European Cups.

 

[King-Panda]

I want to see Tottenham buying a good midfielder and Hulk. Hulk would be siiiiiiick in England, great player. A central striker would do to, as Adebayor and Defoe aren't enough. Leandro Damiao would be good, or some other mad striker

Liverpool barely got a budget that could attract Mourinho. They were going to buy around 2-3 young prospects. That has now been extended to 5 young promising players as Andy Caroll's sale handed Rodgers a £42 Million transfer wallet. Iago Aspas has been signed & Henrikh Mkhitaryan, Simon Mignolet, Christian Atsu and Luis Alberto are nearly all wrapped deals since there are few contenders for their signature. Overall, an unsurprising spending by Liverpool and it's something that won't really help them contend for Champions League place. Their biggest transfer deal would be to retain Suarez, and I almost don't count on that.

Well, the bias and harshness by Spanish media on both Mou & CR7 is something that became really more than apparent with time. It wasn't always like that though but the National success of Spain over the years changed that, for the worst.

Winning the Champions League with any team remain outstanding achievement. And there's always records to be made with Chelsea. Like if he win it, it would be around another generation of players as most of his old-school players are now mostly from the past era. Also, he would be "technically" be first coach of Chelsea to win CL, since DiMatteo was only an Interim Coach when he won the CL with Chelsea. He became the coach; only after he won CL - before being fired! Last thing, if Mourinho wants to target records with Chelsea in CL, he may always try to equal Notthingam Forest (or even Man.United)'s No. of European Cups.

And yeah, it would be his champion for the third club from also a third different country.
And actually winning a chamoions is always good. Now I just hope that Ronaldo leaves those ungrateful and arrogant people, so Real Madrid will go back to what they were before, would win the league with 68 points, with mou lost with like 98 points, and went always to the Champions league semi finals, when before him the players had only gone as far as quarter final...

 

[Migualon J.J.]

Well, Confed. is a prelude to WC. At most, I can say that this match prove my theory that Russia, Japan, Mexico and Columbia are going to be highly interesting underdogs - with lots of surprise packages.

That being said, I wonder how Russia would fare; if Capello were to leave for PSG.

does Belgium count as underdogs?

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i mean, i can easily see them get into at least quarter finals, possibly into semis (if they get a lucky draw)

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Capello is a class apart from Mancini. Besides, Mancini is good in club domestic competitions and a complete jinx in Champions League. So, how would he could fare with an international selection is almost a complete mystery...

Getting interesting but in any case, this affair will now die out a little bit since the hearing is in September.

There's the rumor that Arsenal wanna break their club-record fee for Higuain. Well, they do need a striker but I actually saw Higuain as Juventus-bound In any case, I like this news because even if Arsene makes a big-name signing, I don't think he'll repeat it twice in same summer. So, if Higuain goes to Arsenal, might as well, conclude that Rooney isn't going to Arsenal.

today i heard a rumor that the guy from Arsenal (the guy with 29.9% of ownership of Arsenal, i think his name is Usmanov, smthing like that lol) would give Wenger more money for transfers if he got Rooney as well into the team

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oh, and i am most certain Higuain will go to Arsenal


btw, what do you guys think about Neymar? i mean, today's free kick against Italy was quite cool imo

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[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

^he dived to get the free kick xd