Rasen Shuriken is not destroying a Susanoo at level V2 and above.

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I think it was cause itachi stamina and chakra was low and not the actual attack which turned it off. If it was kirin then i agree

 

[Howdidthesenjudie]

Just because it was amplified doesnt mean it went to a level above S-rank. You think that jutsu could equal that cause an explosion half the size of konoha

You really frs cant destroy level 2? Maybe i can gree with v3.
Danzo wind cutter split in half at v3, you think that jutsu plus baka would not just be better, but on a completely different level?
No, the frs was meant to be the strongest wind jutsu there is.

 

[KidGamer65]

Just because it was amplified doesnt mean it went to a level above S-rank. You think that jutsu could equal that cause an explosion half the size of konoha

You really frs cant destroy level 2? Maybe i can gree with v3.
Danzo wind cutter split in half at v3, you think that jutsu plus baka would not just be better, but on a completely different level?
No, the frs was meant to be the strongest wind jutsu there is.

Invalid as Rank=/=Power.

@underlined: FRS can't even do that so what are you talking about.

Danzo's amped up jutsu cut into V3, it didn't cut it in half. Kirin which is stronger than FRS was blocked by V2. If you say FRS can destroy V2 then you are saying that is almost as strong as Kirin which is clearly not true.

All you are doing is saying "hurr durr, Danzo+Baku Fuuton combo can't be as strong as FRS, no way" instead of looking at the facts. You have no argument. Everything in this post has been answered before. Go re-read previous posts or go re-read the OP cause I'm done repeating the same thing over and over and over again.

 

[Zexion~]

In all the time ive known you on here Kidgamer i think this is the first thread made by you ive seen.

OP:I agree ...

 

[KidGamer65]

In all the time ive known you on here Kidgamer i think this is the first thread made by you ive seen.

OP:I agree ...

lol, you sure? Cause I've made quite a few threads before this one.

 

[Zexion~]

lol, you sure? Cause I've made quite a few threads before this one.

Lmao must of been the few times i wasn't on i suppose lol

 

[Howdidthesenjudie]

Invalid as Rank=/=Power.

@underlined: FRS can't even do that so what are you talking about.

Danzo's amped up jutsu cut into V3, it didn't cut it in half. Kirin which is stronger than FRS was blocked by V2. If you say FRS can destroy V2 then you are saying that is almost as strong as Kirin which is clearly not true.

All you are doing is saying "hurr durr, Danzo+Baku Fuuton combo can't be as strong as FRS, no way" instead of looking at the facts. You have no argument. Everything in this post has been answered before. Go re-read previous posts or go re-read the OP cause I'm done repeating the same thing over and over and over again.

My bad a quarter to almost half of konoha.

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you have no proof that kirin is stronger than FRS. It may be stronger, but I think kishi meant for them to be more or less equal.

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I just reread that fight, you have honestly no proof that Itachi used V2, none. Itachi isn't even shown using Susano'o directly after the attack. You need to find me that scan, because there is no indication of V2 anywhere. This is Itachi right after the attack.

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I will not agree Danzo's buffed wind jutsu was stronger than FRS, to each his own.

But I have one more thing here, something new.

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the kyubbi chakra amplifies abilities. Obviously BM does the same if not more. So now that this FRS has been amplified it should be as powerful as Danzos' wind jutsu, no?

 

[KidGamer65]

My bad a quarter to almost half of konoha.

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you have no proof that kirin is stronger than FRS. It may be stronger, but I think kishi meant for them to be more or less equal.

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You don't know what Kishi meant so don't bring up what you think he meant here.

FRS hasn't shown anything on Kirin's level of DC. That's a fact.

I just reread that fight, you have honestly no proof that Itachi used V2, none. Itachi isn't even shown using Susano'o directly after the attack. You need to find me that scan, because there is no indication of V2 anywhere. This is Itachi right after the attack.

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OP already explained this. If you don't have any real reason to why V2 was used and you can't refute the OP, then don't reply cause I'm not going to repeat something that was stated in the very first post.

2 other people have come here saying the exact same nonsense about how there is no proof, yet the OP explains it, but of course you guys don't want to read it because it foils every argument you have on this topic.

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Its the OP. Go read it and don't reply until you do.

I will not agree Danzo's buffed wind jutsu was stronger than FRS, to each his own.

But I have one more thing here, something new.

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the kyubbi chakra amplifies abilities. Obviously BM does the same if not more. So now that this FRS has been amplified it should be as powerful as Danzos' wind jutsu, no?

What kind of poor logic is that? Because two things have been amplified they have to be equal?

Feats show that its superior to FRS. Whether you agree with me or not doesn't change the facts.

 

[Howdidthesenjudie]

No, it's not fact that Kirin is stronger than FRS. Stop ignoring the explosion size in that picture. The original against Kakuzu< kirin. In his new modes, highly debatable.

I have three reason why it took Itachi so long:

1. This is a story, there is entertainment value in Itachi doing it slowly, i'm sure you've seen that movie technique before.(Inb4 that doesn't apply, but stop, it is a story, Kishi wants to make it as epic as possible and you know it).
2. Itachi just pulled out up v2/v3/v4, in a short amount of time, he is exhausted and needs to do it more slowly.
3. Itachi had the adrenaline response, and pulled out V3 in time to take the hit, completely exhausting him and making him fall to the floor.

It would be impossible for him to pull out as kirin strikes, so he must have done it some time before, you don't know how much time he had.

You say the reason that Danzo's wind jutsu is stonger than FRS because it was "massively amplified", well in BM FRS is "massively amplified" as well. Your right it doesn't make things equal, it would make FRS stronger.

FRS is originally a stronger jutsu, and 3x "damage boost" is more than that Bakuu thing could have ever done to Danzo's wind jutsu, that is my point.

Feats don't point to much in this case, FRS has never been used on susano'o and dont tell me the 3rd raikages lightning armor is weaker than V2 susano'o.

edit: Itachi didn't use yata mirror because he didn't have enough time, I'm sure that was obv, but I'm just putting that out there.

 

[KidGamer65]

No, it's not fact that Kirin is stronger than FRS. Stop ignoring the explosion size in that picture. The original against Kakuzu< kirin. In his new modes, highly debatable.

The explosion size or power is no where near what Kirin can do.

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Kirin obliterated a Mountain Sized building. FRS does not match up to that DC. Not even close. Not even debatable. Not until you can show me FRS obliterating a Mountain Sized building or greater.

I have three reason why it took Itachi so long:

1. This is a story, there is entertainment value in Itachi doing it slowly, i'm sure you've seen that movie technique before.(Inb4 that doesn't apply, but stop, it is a story, Kishi wants to make it as epic as possible and you know it).
2. Itachi just pulled out up v2/v3/v4, in a short amount of time, he is exhausted and needs to do it more slowly.
3. Itachi had the adrenaline response, and pulled out V3 in time to take the hit, completely exhausting him and making him fall to the floor.

It would be impossible for him to pull out as kirin strikes, so he must have done it some time before, you don't know how much time he had.

And you ignored BOTH reasons why Kirin was blocked by a V2 and not a V3 or V4.

1. Not a valid reason. Just because he decided to use it for entertainment value (IF he did) There is no reason to disregard it.
2. Baseless assumption.
3. Baseless assumption.

Yata Mirror would have repelled Kirin if it hit the mirror. The mirror is equipped to every Susanoo above V2. The blast wasn't repelled so Yata wasn't used meaning no Susanoo above V2 was used. Again, read the OP. ALL OF IT.

Lmao, no. Not there before.

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Meaning it was used when Sasuke launched it. You saying its impossible is false as Itachi already did it.

You say the reason that Danzo's wind jutsu is stonger than FRS because it was "massively amplified", well in BM FRS is "massively amplified" as well. Your right it doesn't make things equal, it would make FRS stronger.

FRS is originally a stronger jutsu, and 3x "damage boost" is more than that Bakuu thing could have ever done to Danzo's wind jutsu, that is my point.

Feats don't point to much in this case, FRS has never been used on susano'o and dont tell me the 3rd raikages lightning armor is weaker than V2 susano'o.

No. Its stronger because it damaged a level of Susanoo that FRS can't damage. (On the same exact scale of damage anyway)

Kirin was blocked by a V2 Susanoo, FRS is weaker than Kirin so V2 can block it without fail. Danzo's Wind Jutsu amped by Baku ripped open a V3 Susanoo. Meaning Danzo's Fuuton amped by Baku is stronger. Simple as that.

@underlined: Nothing more than a baseless assumption, which is the root of your argument, which is pretty sad. Where is it stated Naruto gets the same boost as the fodders who get some of his chakra? Cause its pretty clear that he doesn't. Inb4 you say "Its his chakra so he should"...

You actually think the 3rd's Raiton armor offers more defense than something that blocked the majority of the damage from Kirin? Oh my god....

And then you state that Itachi didn't use Yata Mirror because he didn't have enough time, yet deny the fact that he used a V2 Susanoo? Do you even know what you are arguing at this point? It sure seems like you don't.

 

[Howdidthesenjudie]

The explosion size or power is no where near what Kirin can do.

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Kirin obliterated a Mountain Sized building. FRS does not match up to that DC. Not even close. Not even debatable. Not until you can show me FRS obliterating a Mountain Sized building or greater. look at the dam Pein picture!

And you ignored BOTH reasons why Kirin was blocked by a V2 and not a V3 or V4.

1. Not a valid reason. Just because he decided to use it for entertainment value (IF he did) There is no reason to disregard it.
2. Baseless assumption.
3. Baseless assumption.

Yata Mirror would have repelled Kirin if it hit the mirror. The mirror is equipped to every Susanoo above V2. The blast wasn't repelled so Yata wasn't used meaning no Susanoo above V2 was used. Again, read the OP. ALL OF IT.

Lmao, no. Not there before.

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Meaning it was used when Sasuke launched it. You saying its impossible is false as Itachi already did it.




No. Its stronger because it damaged a level of Susanoo that FRS can't damage. (On the same exact scale of damage anyway)

Kirin was blocked by a V2 Susanoo, FRS is weaker than Kirin so V2 can block it without fail. Danzo's Wind Jutsu amped by Baku ripped open a V3 Susanoo. Meaning Danzo's Fuuton amped by Baku is stronger. Simple as that.

@underlined: Nothing more than a baseless assumption, which is the root of your argument, which is pretty sad. Where is it stated Naruto gets the same boost as the fodders who get some of his chakra? Cause its pretty clear that he doesn't. Inb4 you say "Its his chakra so he should"...

Well, I see no reason why he shouldn't, it's more of assumption that he doesn't, when it's stated that weaker forms of his chakra mode can get it, but whatever. I actually knew you were going to say that.

You actually think the 3rd's Raiton armor offers more defense than something that blocked the majority of the damage from Kirin? Oh my god....

Majority? even if he did use V2, kirin completely obliterated it. Itachi was lying on the ground after the attack, remember?

check the edit. my bad. Time issue, kirin would have hit susano'o on the top of the head, there would have been no time for Itachi to bring Yata to that point

The FRS is a fluctuating jutsu, because Naruto's main problem was hitting the third raikage, he couldn't concentrate on the actual power of up.

Even if Naruto doesn't get the boost that the fodders do, he could easily go into that mode himself, use FRS and it would have 3x more destructive power and destroy v2, you said every single type of FRS.

Once again you ignored the pein fight picture, what a surprise.

You are hilarious, you can't disregard arguments as a baseless assumptions, give me one reason why none of those could not easily be the case, a good reason, one that makes sense. Those are completely logical assumptions, that we've seen examples of time and time again.(check Sasuke vs. Deidara).

You act your arguments aren't any different from mine, just because you believe that it is true doesn't mean it is still not an assumption.



remember it is an assumption that Itachi used V2. A logical assumption, but mine are logical assumptions as well.

No, I don't believe that 3rd raikages lightening armor is any weaker than v2 to be honest, well maybe, but naruto did destroy the armor. Now it is definitely weaker than V3 and thats what I believed blocked kirin.

remember this is the armor that the Hachibi believed could tank a tbb with a minor scar. Wether or not it did we will never know.

BTW go to the next page and you will see that the 3rd raikages armor was completely obliterated and he was midly injured.

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[NarutoSamaKama]

I think it will, also if it hits directly where sasuke is.

 

[NarutoSamaKama]

lvl1 its paper

 

[KidGamer65]

check the edit. my bad. Time issue, kirin would have hit susano'o on the top of the head, there would have been no time for Itachi to bring Yata to that point

Yata changes shape in order to completely block an attack. Whether or not Yata wasn't at the head of the Susanoo wouldn't matter at all. Just like it did here.

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So it wasn't V3 or V4.

The FRS is a fluctuating jutsu, because Naruto's main problem was hitting the third raikage, he couldn't concentrate on the actual power of up.

Even if Naruto doesn't get the boost that the fodders do, he could easily go into that mode himself, use FRS and it would have 3x more destructive power and destroy v2, you said every single type of FRS.

That's completely wrong. Don't even know where you heard that from.

Haha, no. This is probably the dumbest thing I've heard yet. He only gives them a piece of that chakra, why the hell would he only use a piece of the Kyuubi's chakra when he can use BM or KCM? Doesn't matter, as the boost value holds no weight here and is not important to the argument at all.

Once again you ignored the pein fight picture, what a surprise.

The Pain fight picture doesn't prove your point so stop bringing it up.

You are hilarious, you can't disregard arguments as a baseless assumptions, give me one reason why none of those could not easily be the case, a good reason, one that makes sense. Those are completely logical assumptions, that we've seen examples of time and time again.(check Sasuke vs. Deidara).

Go learn what a logical assumption made from manga scans and facts is. Because you just pulled 3 random points out of your ass and said that they could have happened. That is a BASELESS assumption.

You act your arguments aren't any different from mine, just because you believe that it is true doesn't mean it is still not an assumption.

Read above.

remember it is an assumption that Itachi used V2. A logical assumption, but mine are logical assumptions as well.

No they aren't. They are baseless assumptions. Learn the difference.

No, I don't believe that 3rd raikages lightening armor is any weaker than v2 to be honest, well maybe, but naruto did destroy the armor. Now it is definitely weaker than V3 and thats what I believed blocked kirin.

Impossible as we have seen how long it takes for anything above V2 to form, Impossible as V3 wields Yata Mirror and would have repelled Kirin had it made contact with it.

remember this is the armor that the Hachibi believed could tank a tbb with a minor scar. Wether or not it did we will never know.

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Hachibi never implied that the 3rd tanked a Bijuu Dama. Not even once.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Hachibi never implied that the 3rd tanked a Bijuu Dama. Not even once.

Why would a bijuu not use its strongest attack against an opponent that threatens to seal it?

 

[KidGamer65]

Why would a bijuu not use its strongest attack against an opponent that threatens to seal it?

What does that have to do with my post? I simply said that Hachibi never implied that the 3rd tanked a Bijuu Dama. Not that he never used it, because he did, and ended up getting hit by his own attack.

 

[Howdidthesenjudie]

Yata changes shape in order to completely block an attack. Whether or not Yata wasn't at the head of the Susanoo wouldn't matter at all. Just like it did here.

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So it wasn't V3 or V4.


That's completely wrong. Don't even know where you heard that from.

Every knows that FRS is different every time, it never has the same explosion size... that's where I got it from, but you're right the whole thing about concentrating on FRS landing was an assumption. That points mute however, because even that small sized rasenshuriken destroyed the 3rd raikages lightening armor.

Haha, no. This is probably the dumbest thing I've heard yet. He only gives them a piece of that chakra, why the hell would he only use a piece of the Kyuubi's chakra when he can use BM or KCM? Doesn't matter, as the boost value holds no weight here and is not important to the argument at all.

Lol, this was a technicality...it was supposed to be stupid. You said the BM doesn't amplify his abilities, Naruto COULD do go into that one tailed mode, there by increasing his FRS power by three, there by making it strong enough to obliterate V2 susano'o, you said any type and any mode besides odama. Do you not agree?




The Pain fight picture doesn't prove your point so stop bringing it up.

You ask for an explosion the size of a mountain, I give you one half the size of the village. I need to know why that doesn't picture doesn't prove FRS's destructive power.


Go learn what a logical assumption made from manga scans and facts is. Because you just pulled 3 random points out of your ass and said that they could have happened. That is a BASELESS assumption.

You told me why you believed it was only V2 that blocked, I told you three things that could have easily happened.
My assumption isn't baseless, Kishi pulled the exact same thing when Sasuke fought diedara. Sasuke summoned Manda controlled him and reversed summoned in the blink of an eye. Itachi did the same thing with V3 susano.


Stop going on about this V3 taking so long to form, that point isn't good at all. It is completely within possibility that Itachi formed up to V3 ie: Sasuke vs. Diedara mentioned above.



Your best point is the yata mirror blocking it, that's almost sound proof, but again I have two reasons why it yata didn't happen.

1. Itachi did not have enough time to form v3 susano'o and bring the yata completely over his head. We don't know how fast yata moves, it did only for sure block a few explosive kunai. Adding that time to it forming would have to be incredibly fast

2. If yata blocked it, the lightening would have reverted back, Sasuke would have died, there would be no epic reveal or surprise, and the fight would of ended in the worst way possible. Kishi obviously doesn't want that. Once again applying outside story logic, I know you hate this.

however you'll just call these baseless assumptions because you don't agree with them.Then again, you could be right... Actually you are right, Itachi using V3 would have made it so Kirin could have competely obliterated his version, and that's something I don't agree with. However, I do do thing that both Kirin and FRS can obliterate V2 susano'o and moderately damage V3. I agree that it must of been V2 susano'o, but not because of your reasoning.



However, I have something else.

Im going to level with you and say Itachi used V2 susano'o, but kirin completely destroyed Itachi and left lying face first on the ground, FRS could then easily rip up v2 susano'o as well.

I know you don't believe that they aren't more or less equal, but with the fact that Naruto's KCM FRS obliterated the armor that Hachibi thought could tank a tailed beast bomb, I'm going to have to believe they are more or less equal with enhanced FRS being stronger.



Read above.



No they aren't. They are baseless assumptions. Learn the difference.


Impossible as we have seen how long it takes for anything above V2 to form, Impossible as V3 wields Yata Mirror and would have repelled Kirin had it made contact with it.




Hachibi never implied that the 3rd tanked a Bijuu Dama. Not even once.

Yes Hachibi did.

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"I think it was a tbb." This means Hachibi believed that the third's armor could tank a tbb, wether or not it could we will never know, but we do know that v2 susano'o cannot tank a tbb.

I realize he is questioning it, but the eight tails believes that the 3rd's armor taking a tail beast bomb is entirely possible. He not only implied it, but assumed it could.

now with that said, do you still think that V2 susano'o is significantly stronger than the 3rds lightening armor, because you assume that kirin is "on a completely different level from FRS"?

 

[KidGamer65]

Every knows that FRS is different every time, it never has the same explosion size... that's where I got it from, but you're right the whole thing about concentrating on FRS landing was an assumption. That points mute however, because even that small sized rasenshuriken destroyed the 3rd raikages lightening armor.

Since when is it different every time? Its the same for each mode its used in.

Considering Wind is superior to lightning, if anyone's point is moot, its yours. It destroying the 3rd's armor proves nothing.

, this was a technicality...it was supposed to be stupid. You said the BM doesn't amplify his abilities, Naruto COULD do go into that one tailed mode, there by increasing his FRS power by three, there by making it strong enough to obliterate V2 susano'o, you said any type and any mode besides odama. Do you not agree?

I never said that BM doesn't amplify his abilities, I simply said that it doesn't give him the same boost those fodders got.

You do know that Naruto's 1 Tailed Mode is completely different from the cloak he gave the fodders? If he isn't getting a boost that large from his Bijuu and KCM modes, he isn't going to get one from using less chakra (That cloak is only a portion of the Kyuubi's chakra). That makes no sense.

And it would be enough to obliterate Susanoo based on what grounds? On your baseless assumptions or feats? Cause feats show that it isn't getting past a V2 Susanoo.

You ask for an explosion the size of a mountain, I give you one half the size of the village. I need to know why that doesn't picture doesn't prove FRS's destructive power.

Naruto's strongest FRS is in his KCM and Bijuu Modes. Your scan isn't even a legitimate showing of FRS explosive capability, that simply its kicking up dust and debris from the rocks it cut through and its explosion. We've already seen its explosion and its not as big or strong as you are making it seem.

Kirin plowed through a Mountain Sized construct and destroyed it.

FRS kicked up some dust and debris due to its explosion.

Its clear which one is better.

Not to mention I asked you for something that shows that FRS has the capability to cause more damage to a Mountain Sized construct than Kirin, not a Mountain Sized explosion. Explosion AoE=/=Explosion power. If this were false. CST would be superior to Bijuu Dama simply cause it obliterated a village, when in fact Bijuu Dama is superior.

You told me why you believed it was only V2 that blocked, I told you three things that could have easily happened.
My assumption isn't baseless, Kishi pulled the exact same thing when Sasuke fought diedara. Sasuke summoned Manda controlled him and reversed summoned in the blink of an eye. Itachi did the same thing with V3 susano.


Stop going on about this V3 taking so long to form, that point isn't good at all. It is completely within possibility that Itachi formed up to V3 ie: Sasuke vs. Diedara mentioned above.

Lmfao, manga has already shown us how long it takes Itachi to layer up his Susanoo yet its not a good point?

Bringing up Sasuke vs Deidara isn't helping you here. Manga has already shown how long it takes to call any Susanoo above V2. Not debatable. You are trying to resort to "Kishi did that way just because he wanted to" reasoning because you have nothing to say on this point.

Your best point is the yata mirror blocking it, that's almost sound proof, but again I have two reasons why it yata didn't happen.

1. Itachi did not have enough time to form v3 susano'o and bring the yata completely over his head. We don't know how fast yata moves, it did only for sure block a few explosive kunai. Adding that time to it forming would have to be incredibly fast

Yata has already been shown to expand to block attacks coming its way. Itachi doesn't need to move it as he didn't even move it in the scan I posted. It. Moved. For. Him. On. Its. Own.

2. If yata blocked it, the lightening would have reverted back, Sasuke would have died, there would be no epic reveal or surprise, and the fight would of ended in the worst way possible. Kishi obviously doesn't want that. Once again applying outside story logic, I know you hate this.

No, the lightning would have been repelled in the opposite direction it came from, which would be upwards, not backwards. Not to mention this logic makes no sense anyway.

however you'll just call these baseless assumptions because you don't agree with them.Then again, you could be right... Actually you are right, Itachi using V3 would have made it so Kirin could have competely obliterated his version, and that's something I don't agree with. However, I do do thing that both Kirin and FRS can obliterate V2 susano'o and moderately damage V3. I agree that it must of been V2 susano'o, but not because of your reasoning.

They are baseless assumptions because they have no evidence behind them.

Im going to level with you and say Itachi used V2 susano'o, but kirin completely destroyed Itachi and left lying face first on the ground, FRS could then easily rip up v2 susano'o as well.

I know you don't believe that they aren't more or less equal, but with the fact that Naruto's KCM FRS obliterated the armor that Hachibi thought could tank a tailed beast bomb, I'm going to have to believe they are more or less equal with enhanced FRS being stronger.

Considering the fact that Wind>Lightning, and that Hachibi didn't imply anything at all. You have no reasoning that lets you say FRS>=Kirin, when feats show otherwise.

Yes Hachibi did.

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"I think it was a tbb." This means Hachibi believed that the third's armor could tank a tbb, wether or not it could we will never know, but we do know that v2 susano'o cannot tank a tbb.

I realize he is questioning it, but the eight tails believes that the 3rd's armor taking a tail beast bomb is entirely possible. He not only implied it, but assumed it could.

now with that said, do you still think that V2 susano'o is significantly stronger than the 3rds lightening armor, because you assume that kirin is "on a completely different level from FRS"?

Naruto asks "How did you hurt his chest?"

Hachibi replies "I think it was a Tailed Beast Bomb"

He's not even sure as he says "Wait was it?"

This is later proved completely false when we learn that he fell on his own attack and pierced his chest. He never tanked a TBB, nor did Hachibi imply it, he simply didn't remember the occasion. Its funny how you are taking his answer has a definite answer when:

-He wasn't even sure of it himself and later began to question his own answer.
-He was wrong.

The fact he was questioning himself means he didn't imply or suggest anything.

 

[Prince Charles]

Oh yeah dont know you if you havent noticed or know but Itachi has actually been shown to weild yata mirror while being in v2.

 

[KidGamer65]

Oh yeah dont know you if you havent noticed or know but Itachi has actually been shown to weild yata mirror while being in v2.

Scans? Cause I'm sure that he only has wielded it in V2. I might not remember correctly.