Jiraiya, Itachi, and Orochimaru

[Ababeel]

No he didnt....explained why Itachi said that & believeing it is not a smart move

Prove that Itachi wasnt sick in part 1

& Susanoo is base??

- you deny it just because you are a fanboy, not because you seek the truth.

Originally Posted by Ch144, p8
Kisame:
「アナタならどうにかこうにかやれる相手でも私じゃあ 分かりませんよ…」
「次元が違う」
"You might be able to somehow defeat him, but me, well I don't know..."
"Our levels are too far apart"

Itachi:
「ああ…やり合えは二人共殺されるか良くて相打ちというところ」
「…たとえ人数を増やしたとしても変わらないだろう」
"Yeah... If we fought him, we might both be killed. If it goes well, we might take him with us."
"Even if the number of people were to increase, this probably wouldn't change"

Kisame
「ラーメン屋で　やっと見付けたはいいが…お守りが　あの゛伝説の三忍゛とは」
「彼が相手では゛木ノ葉のうちは一族゛も゛霧の忍刀七人衆゛の名もかすんでしまう」
"It was good we finally found them by the ramen store, but... his guardian is of those 'Legendary Three Ninja' "
"He, as an opponent, makes 'Konoha's Uchiha clan' and the 'Seven Shinobi Swordmen of the Mist' seem like nothing."

Itachi:
「ああ…しかし……」
「どんな強者にも弱点というのがあるものだ……」
"Yes... However......"
"No matter how strong a person is, he is bound to have a weakness..."


- Well, the manga did not show Itachi as a sick person in part 1, so he is not. just because he was ill before his death
that does not mean he was like this his whole life, that just being stupid.

- Susanoo is a ninjutsu, Itachi already has 5 in Nin-jutsu. So, yes it won't add anything to him
but do you see Senjtusu in those states?

 

[Draphsin]

Databooks aren't acuarate Sasuke clearly doesn't have God like speed..
Also IDK what I was thinking on the second part I kinda pulled it out of my ass.
But seriously go ahead I made this about Pain vs Itachi, how does Itachi beat Pain?

This isnt about pein vs Itachi, as you said Itachi could be > jiraiya but he could also be < pein. Stop using abc logic when you dont even know the outcome of the battle that Itachi is supposed to lose. This is terrible reasoning...

We knw every thing abt Itachi and the extent of Uchiha's powers,we still have a ton of thing to knw abt Minato ,we barly knw 4-5 jutsu of MInato and still put him on par with strongest ppl of all time.....!
Naruto is compltly a fodder in his baseform and he became on of the strongest ninja as wel as one of the fastest ninja after getng kcm and Minato is stronger than KCM Naruto in his base form or atleast as stronge as KCM Naruto and imagin how stronge some one like him wil become after getng that chakra...........!
he dnt need training since he is the master of chakra control..............

Bro........This entire paragraph is assumption piled on top of assumption...

How do you know that minato still has jutsus to show?

 

[Avinash012]

Wrong, he didnt try to kill anybody, saying that he did is going against kishi's entire manga.



Show me the scan, because from what I saw kisame said that jiraiya would lose to Itachi, lmao



Wrong again my friend, I guess ill do the goddamn digging for you

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& here is jiraiya gazing at the technique that 1-shotted his "inescapable" toad mouth.

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J-man can beat Itachi high dif..........
Itachi and Kisame can beat Jman mid dif...............

 

[Ababeel]

=Draphsin;12112111]Wrong, he didnt try to kill anybody, saying that he did is going against kishi's entire manga.

Oh really?

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he tried to kill Kurnai with his Kunai

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"it's time for these people to disappear"

Show me the scan, because from what I saw kisame said that jiraiya would lose to Itachi, lmao

I put their conversation already.

Wrong again my friend, I guess ill do the goddamn digging for you

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& here is jiraiya gazing at the technique that 1-shotted his "inescapable" toad mouth.

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already proven wrong by their own mouths.

 

[Draphsin]

- you deny it just because you are a fanboy, not because you seek the truth.

Lmfao!!!! youre denying the fact that Itachi would never kill a konoha ninja unless absolutely neccesary! Taking his statements as fact is like saying that hashi = rikudou sennin, after all he is the god of shinobi right lol?

Originally Posted by Ch144, p8
Kisame:
「アナタならどうにかこうにかやれる相手でも私じゃあ 分かりませんよ…」
「次元が違う」
"You might be able to somehow defeat him, but me, well I don't know..."
"Our levels are too far apart"

Itachi:
「ああ…やり合えは二人共殺されるか良くて相打ちというところ」
「…たとえ人数を増やしたとしても変わらないだろう」
"Yeah... If we fought him, we might both be killed. If it goes well, we might take him with us."
"Even if the number of people were to increase, this probably wouldn't change"

Kisame
「ラーメン屋で　やっと見付けたはいいが…お守りが　あの゛伝説の三忍゛とは」
「彼が相手では゛木ノ葉のうちは一族゛も゛霧の忍刀七人衆゛の名もかすんでしまう」
"It was good we finally found them by the ramen store, but... his guardian is of those 'Legendary Three Ninja' "
"He, as an opponent, makes 'Konoha's Uchiha clan' and the 'Seven Shinobi Swordmen of the Mist' seem like nothing."

Itachi:
「ああ…しかし……」
「どんな強者にも弱点というのがあるものだ……」
"Yes... However......"
"No matter how strong a person is, he is bound to have a weakness..."

As I said, you cant take this as fact unless you deny Itachi's allegiance to konoha. Itachi was merely lying because he knew that he would kill jiraiya. Prove that Itachi was telling the truth.

- Well, the manga did not show Itachi as a sick person in part 1, so he is not. just because he was ill before his death
that does not mean he was like this his whole life, that just being stupid.

Doesnt matter, until you know exactly when Itachi was diagnosed as sick then this point is invalid

- Susanoo is a ninjutsu, Itachi already has 5 in Nin-jutsu. So, yes it won't add anything to him
but do you see Senjtusu in those states?

Fail, theres no senjutsu because its not an official stat. Does everybody possess senjutsu? Besides, those stats were created after jiraiya's death so lol on you if you think kishi didnt add SM into his stats.

Oh really?

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he tried to kill Kurnai with his Kunai

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"it's time for these people to disappear"

LOL, & so Itachi was going to sit back & let it look like he was going easy on them??? Point is that he didnt kill anybody.

& he never tried to kill anybody, if kurenai got killed by that kunai then she deserved to die because she would be genin status

 

[Avinash012]

This isnt about pein vs Itachi, as you said Itachi could be > jiraiya but he could also be < pein. Stop using abc logic when you dont even know the outcome of the battle that Itachi is supposed to lose. This is terrible reasoning...



Bro........This entire paragraph is assumption piled on top of assumption...

How do you know that minato still has jutsus to show?

It is simple bro ,,,Do u really belive that one could become Hokage with that dam Rasingan and FTG,,,on the top of that I dnt think he would be stronger than Jiraya with those jutsu........we clearly knw that Rasengan can't do a shit to the Rikage's lightng defence and Rikage is one of the best to counter FTG ,,,,but this dude is still unable to beat Minato even in a singel fight (he figured out how FTG works during thire first fight),,Rikage isn't a type of person who admits other's superiourity that easily and he even respected Minato a lot ,How in the worl did he learned Rasengan without fighting a bijju or without watching a TBB many times,,,Bee after fighting Sasuke said that Sasuek is top 2 in strength amoung the ppl he fought ,,it strongly rcmnds that Minato fought A and Bee(A won't allow Bee to fight alone out side the village) at a time and defeated them ,I dnt think Rasengan and FTG can manage this........so many Stronge ppl put thire trust in Minato,,,,I dnt think all these things would happen with Rasengan and FTG.............

 

[Lilt]

Actually, it's a well-known mistranslation. Itachi was talking about Kurama when he said that.

The VIZ translation implies it, and multiple translators (even on this forum) argue as much.

 

[Draphsin]

It is simple bro ,,,Do u really belive that one could become Hokage with that dam Rasingan and FTG,,,

Look at what obito accomplished with simple kamui

on the top of that I dnt think he would be stronger than Jiraya with those jutsu........we clearly knw that Rasengan can't do a shit to the Rikage's lightng defence and Rikage is one of the best to counter FTG ,,,,but this dude is still unable to beat Minato even in a singel fight (he figured out how FTG works during thire first fight),,Rikage isn't a type of person who admits other's superiourity that easily and he even respected Minato a lot

HAs the raikage ever died? The fact that the raikage lost to minato doesnt prove a thing about his jutsus, rasengan is a powerful jutsu & if minato is fast enough then he can easily utilize it to damage raikage to the point where he has to retreat.

,How in the worl did he learned Rasengan without fighting a bijju or without watching a TBB many times,,,

rasengan is simply shape manipulation. Minato doesnt need to study the damn tbb & find out the right chakra ratios. He has good chakra control & so he can practice just like jiraiya/kakashi/naruto practiced.

Bee after fighting Sasuke said that Sasuek is top 2 in strength amoung the ppl he fought ,,

No actually bee said that sasuke was the strongest person he fought. go check it out.

it strongly rcmnds that Minato fought A and Bee(A won't allow Bee to fight alone out side the village) at a time and defeated them ,I dnt think Rasengan and FTG can manage this........so many Stronge ppl put thire trust in Minato,,,,I dnt think all these things would happen with Rasengan and FTG.............

As I said, obito solod plenty of ninja with basic mokuton & kamui, he also solod konoha with mere genjutsu, a summoning technique & kamui.

Obito obliterated fu & torune with just kamui, & those ninja were some of danzo's best men.

1 jutsu can make a difference, minato's 1 jutsu is FTG

 

[naruttebayo]

seriously people are you really so much in to the manga hype
the battle between oro and itachi was more like a genjutsu battle itachi has to be a clear winner in genjutsu

older manga statement doesn't even matter in this manga, oro with edo hokage stomps low dificulty.

as for jiraiya part, itachi was bulllshhiting too, we know that he just wanted to avoid the battle.

kisame was sure he can't take on jiraiya but itachi was probably lying.

still sayng itachi would beat jiraiya is a matter of debate.

and yes current oro >>> itachi imo

i'm denying older manga hype for latest manga feat.

 

[bablujojo]

ok
according to the databook
oro<jiraiya
oro<itachi
jiraiya=itachi

 

[Avinash012]

Look at what obito accomplished with simple kamui



HAs the raikage ever died? The fact that the raikage lost to minato doesnt prove a thing about his jutsus, rasengan is a powerful jutsu & if minato is fast enough then he can easily utilize it to damage raikage to the point where he has to retreat.



rasengan is simply shape manipulation. Minato doesnt need to study the damn tbb & find out the right chakra ratios. He has good chakra control & so he can practice just like jiraiya/kakashi/naruto practiced.



No actually bee said that sasuke was the strongest person he fought. go check it out.



As I said, obito solod plenty of ninja with basic mokuton & kamui, he also solod konoha with mere genjutsu, a summoning technique & kamui.

Obito obliterated fu & torune with just kamui, & those ninja were some of danzo's best men.

1 jutsu can make a difference, minato's 1 jutsu is FTG

Dude wat ur talking is cmpltly make's sence but sorry I dnt agree with u .....Rasengan is as stronge as chidori (or a bit stronger) and Sasuke barly able to touch Rikage in his lightng form.....not even rasenshuriken is able to make a big impact on 3rd rikage,,,May be 4th's armor is not as stronge as 3rd but it is nearly as stronge as his fathers............
Defeating an enmy isn't the same as killing him,U want me to belive Rikage would obey that he lost ,without even getng injrd...
Give me a scan where Sasuke said that(u can watch anime episode no 204 to knw wat bee said) ....
Obito can't do any thng with Kumui......He has somany stronge jutsu other than Kumui.....look at wat happen to Obito while fightng Minato and Kakashi(he has Kumui and is not as accurate as Obito) if enmy figured wat really happen than there is ntng he can do with Kumui,,Obito can use perfect Izanazi(it isn't a fodder genjutsu) no one besides Obito can Survive that& Minato has FTG and even a fodder can figure how exactly FTG can work and still rikage unable to beat him...........

 

[Avinash012]

seriously people are you really so much in to the manga hype
the battle between oro and itachi was more like a genjutsu battle itachi has to be a clear winner in genjutsu

older manga statement doesn't even matter in this manga, oro with edo hokage stomps low dificulty.

as for jiraiya part, itachi was bulllshhiting too, we know that he just wanted to avoid the battle.

kisame was sure he can't take on jiraiya but itachi was probably lying.

still sayng itachi would beat jiraiya is a matter of debate.

and yes current oro >>> itachi imo

i'm denying older manga hype for latest manga feat.

Ur right and I agree with u........but wat bothers me is every one in akatsuki surly knw that Itachi defeated Orochimaru and after that Oro left Akatsuki....then there is no point in lyng and Kisame isn't an Idiot to belive those lies ,It is clear that Kisame is a big assist for Itachi even if Itachi is sick ,,,and Itachi never lied about others strength Itachi clearly said that Gai can stomp Kisame and he wil suffer injuries if he fought Kakashi it is compltly right that Kakashi or Gai can stomp Kisame..........

 

[blazekev90]

lol @ people trying to excuse Itachi's reasoning for admitting inferiority. There is no manga statement declaring it otherwise.

 

[Avinash012]

Look at what obito accomplished with simple kamui



HAs the raikage ever died? The fact that the raikage lost to minato doesnt prove a thing about his jutsus, rasengan is a powerful jutsu & if minato is fast enough then he can easily utilize it to damage raikage to the point where he has to retreat.



rasengan is simply shape manipulation. Minato doesnt need to study the damn tbb & find out the right chakra ratios. He has good chakra control & so he can practice just like jiraiya/kakashi/naruto practiced.



No actually bee said that sasuke was the strongest person he fought. go check it out.



As I said, obito solod plenty of ninja with basic mokuton & kamui, he also solod konoha with mere genjutsu, a summoning technique & kamui.

Obito obliterated fu & torune with just kamui, & those ninja were some of danzo's best men.

1 jutsu can make a difference, minato's 1 jutsu is FTG

It is clearly stated in manga that Minato created rasengan by Observing TBB....................Danzo dogs attack's need physical contact which is impossible in Obito's case and one of them can use mind transfer jutsu but Obito is one of the strong user of occular pwrs and they dnt work on him.........Obito never defeated any strong opnt with his Kumui and draging enmy to a dffrnt dimention is clearly dif from fighting him physically...........All ppl(Including Itachi) feared him bcoz he climed that he is Madara...........

 

[bittu1415]

i think Itachi Run away from fighting jiraya because he dosent want to fight with jiraya ........
he came to leaf village because he want danzo see that sasukes bro was still alive

 

[Draphsin]

Dude wat ur talking is cmpltly make's sence but sorry I dnt agree with u .....Rasengan is as stronge as chidori (or a bit stronger) and Sasuke barly able to touch Rikage in his lightng form.....not even rasenshuriken is able to make a big impact on 3rd rikage,,,May be 4th's armor is not as stronge as 3rd but it is nearly as stronge as his fathers............

Sasuke didnt properly hit the raikage because he was using lightning armor, of course its going to be harder to hit him, bus sasuke still managed to make a good cut on the raikage despite this. Naruto's RS would've really hurt the 3rd raikage if he wasnt in edo form (microscopic wind blades sever the flow of chakra to the users body). Not even a man of iron could sustain a few of those.

The rasengan is also stronger than chidori, chidori uses a piercing method while the rasengan is straight up destruction. Saying that the rasengan wouldnt hurt the raikage is crazy...Its an A-rank jutsu

Defeating an enmy isn't the same as killing him,U want me to belive Rikage would obey that he lost ,without even getng injrd...

I didnt say that he didnt get injured, youre saying that rasengan cant hurt the raikage, well I disagree. Rasengan is a powerful technique & you're underrating it.

Give me a scan where Sasuke said that(u can watch anime episode no 204 to knw wat bee said) ....

Man, why am I the one pulling out facts? You wanna try & prove me wrong, then you bring in some facts too....

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Obito can't do any thng with Kumui......He has somany stronge jutsu other than Kumui.....look at wat happen to Obito while fightng Minato and Kakashi(he has Kumui and is not as accurate as Obito) if enmy figured wat really happen than there is ntng he can do with Kumui,

Omg, he killed fu & torune with kamui alone, & without info then FTG can be even worse than kamui, with info they both still kill.

,Obito can use perfect Izanazi(it isn't a fodder genjutsu) no one besides Obito can Survive that& Minato has FTG and even a fodder can figure how exactly FTG can work and still rikage unable to beat him...........

By the time any fodders figure out FTG then its too late. Raikage couldnt beat him because he couldnt ever be faster than him. Raikage has to punch in order to make contact, if he cant even get a punch on minato then what can he do ther than to retreat?

It is clearly stated in manga that Minato created rasengan by Observing TBB....................

Did it say how many times he observed a tbb? did it say that he studies the tbb? No, he merely observed & created his own jutsu based on that. He didnt have a bijuu to go to every day & see how it forms one. He most likely had a battle with a bijuu & merely saw the tbb performed. With minato's good chakra control he can easily create a proper shape manipulation jutsu according to that.

Danzo dogs attack's need physical contact which is impossible in Obito's case and one of them can use mind transfer jutsu but Obito is one of the strong user of occular pwrs and they dnt work on him.........

So? Raikage needs physical contact too...How can raikage even touch minato either?

Point is that obito solod them with kamui & they even had info, minato can easily do the same with FTG/rasengan & the raikage.

Obito never defeated any strong opnt with his Kumui and draging enmy to a dffrnt dimention is clearly dif from fighting him physically...........

No its not, obito usually makes physical contact in order to use his kamui, he grabbed torune in order to suck him in.

& also dont you forget about obito's mokuton/kamui combo. 2 jutsus solod an army of hidden mist ninja. Minato can easily do the same with FTG/rasengan.

All ppl(Including Itachi) feared him bcoz he climed that he is Madara...........

This has nothing to do with the thread but its not true. People knew of his ability & its also a very scary jutsu (1 touch = death). It makes perfect sense that people were weary of obito & the madara alias was merely helping his situation.

 

[the undisputed]

lol jiraiya >itachi>orochimaru>jiraiya >itachi>orochimaru>jiraiya >itachi>orochimaru>jiraiya >itachi>orochimaru>jiraiya >itachi>orochimaru>jiraiya >itachi>orochimaru>jiraiya >itachi>orochimaru>jiraiya >itachi>orochimaru>jiraiya >itachi>orochimaru>jiraiya >itachi>orochimaru>
this cycle never ends _@:

 

[khaydz5]

Itachi is more powerful than jiraiya and all the sannin. I believe the only reason itachi said to kisame if they fought it will end in a stalemate was simply because he did not want to kill jiraiya, a legendary sannin. Itachi loved the leaf villiage and did not care about akatsuki's goals. And even if he really did think it would end in a stalemate, itachi never underestimated his opponents and at times even overestimated them.

lol. is that why itachi ran when he saw jiraiya but later on fought kakashi and even used mangekyu sharingan against him? weird huh.

 

[Draphsin]

lol. is that why itachi ran when he saw jiraiya but later on fought kakashi and even used mangekyu sharingan against him? weird huh.

:|

If Itachi knocked out jiraiya, then who's stopping kisame from maiming naruto & bringing him back to the hideout?

 

[voids]

Sigh not this again... I swear people do not read the manga, just look at the nice little pictures.

Anyway here goes

Jiraiya is stronger than both Itachi and oro.

Itachi said it himself, he knows what he is capable of fighting and he concluded that he wouldn't have been able to pull off a win, only a draw at best. Itachis word should be taken for he knows his own level of ability.

Oro was gaining the upper hand because Jiraiya had been drugged by tsunades only a short time before the battle. Oro didn't have arms but he had more time to adjust to this issue compared to Jiraiya. Plus the drug didn't allow Jiraiya to use all of his chakra to perform jutsus.

It has been stated that when Jiriaya fights oro it was not to kill but to bring him back. Therefore, it's only logical that Jiriaya would not go all out. See simple to understand.