Naruto is nothing without Kurama? Ha, FAIL!

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Naruto got saved because of Kurama. True. He also almost got killed by Kurama too. Kurama was a burden, mate.

I am just saying that Naruto without Kurama still is a Top Elite Shinobi with a big future.



19 reps for this thread, 75% of the comments here that agree with me... It only shows the truth has been spoken. ;)

Or that ppl know you :|
 

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No where was i talkin about u when i said the bashing I meant it towards the others that have been posting redundant none sense about Naruto...Capiche
 

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No where was i talkin about u when i said the bashing I meant it towards the others that have been posting redundant none sense about Naruto...Capiche

That wasn't clear enough. It looked for me. But okay then.
 

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Tim, don't even try. The concept is the same. Both were just born with it. It doesn't make ANY difference.

I'm not even 'trying' anything.Not everyone gets the sharingan but its still in the Uchiha genes, while Naruto's genes doesn't provide him with the Bijuu from the get go.The only you should compare together is EMS and Kyuubi since they was given to Sasuke and Naruto.Naruto had no choice but Sauske literally had no choice either, it was a choice between: go blind or not go blind but also gain power.

But knowing this post, it'll probably make no difference anyway since no ones view points will change.
 

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I'm not even 'trying' anything.Not everyone gets the sharingan but its still in the Uchiha genes, while Naruto's genes doesn't provide him with the Bijuu from the get go.The only you should compare together is EMS and Kyuubi since they was given to Sasuke and Naruto.Naruto had no choice but Sauske literally had no choice either, it was a choice between: go blind or not go blind but also gain power.

But knowing this post, it'll probably make no difference anyway since no ones view points will change.

Well, if there was no kyuubi and no ems, sasuke is blind....
Naruto still has SM w/ bright future
this post is not an arguement but merely fact..
SM Naruto > blind sasuke
 

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Summons count as skills of a ninja. Is Orochimaru a skilless ninja because he almost exclusively uses summons? No. The toads count.
Toads dont count cuz it wasnt naruto that summoned them. U waste chakra for that u know? Summoning 5 is whole lot, Seen how short SM duration is naruto would fail to do half of that. Still how will u counter kurama and info argument?
Sasuke at that time still havent used anything else but amaterasu. He was fighting at his base practically. Hence zetsu's statement wasnt far off.
When does Sasuke ever count anyone as his equal? Sasuke's always arrogant. He doesn't always admit when someone is his equal. I believe this best describes what I'm saying.
Itachi? He calls him perfect and always knew that big brother was stronger. Mute point however. Naruto admitted he would need kurama to fight MS sasuke.
 

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Naruto got saved because of Kurama. True. He also almost got killed by Kurama too. Kurama was a burden, mate.

I am just saying that Naruto without Kurama still is a Top Elite Shinobi with a big future.

I agree that naruto is a very strong ninja without kurama, but without his uzumaki DNA then all he has is guts really Lol
 

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Toads dont count cuz it wasnt naruto that summoned them. U waste chakra for that u know? Summoning 5 is whole lot, Seen how short SM duration is naruto would fail to do half of that. Still how will u counter kurama and info argument?
Sasuke at that time still havent used anything else but amaterasu. He was fighting at his base practically. Hence zetsu's statement wasnt far off.
Itachi? He calls him perfect and always knew that big brother was stronger. Mute point however. Naruto admitted he would need kurama to fight MS sasuke.
MS Sasuke? you mean blind ms sasuke
So your post is "mute"
 

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Power is power, its irrelevant how you get it, Naruto earned his power and Sasuke earned his power.

If you don't like it, then ask Kishi why he gave them that power, its his manga.
 

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Last pages the level of discussion is not bad, not bad at all. For the most at least...

I'm not even 'trying' anything.Not everyone gets the sharingan but its still in the Uchiha genes, while Naruto's genes doesn't provide him with the Bijuu from the get go.The only you should compare together is EMS and Kyuubi since they was given to Sasuke and Naruto.Naruto had no choice but Sauske literally had no choice either, it was a choice between: go blind or not go blind but also gain power.

But knowing this post, it'll probably make no difference anyway since no ones view points will change.

Tim, that last sentence wasn't needed. I always like to debate with you and we did some nice discussions in the past where someone from us always accepted when the other one was right.

To answer on your post. I made a crucial part black:
You are right. But Sasuke WENT to Orochimaru, he ASKED for Itachi's eyes. Sorry bro, but those are 2 cheats for me. This while Naruto didn't asked for Kurama. And Kurama was a burden, while Sasuke's power-cheat-ups were directly advantages!

Power is power, its irrelevant how you get it, Naruto earned his power and Sasuke earned his power.

If you don't like it, then ask Kishi why he gave them that power, its his manga.

I asked Kishi but the dude was wasted like a mothef*cker. Only thing he could say was "Itachi solo's"...
 

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Tell that to the people who make the assessment that Naruto's nothing without Kurama, and claim that's he's a horrible ninja. Let them be the ones that drop it. I'm positive that these threads wouldn't be made if Sasuke fans tried to degrade Naruto.

Naruto without Kurama would be reduced to SM and his Rasnagan - its variants - of course, and yes, IF compared to BM, Naruto's power is monumentally decreased. As for his skill then he lacks chakra control, which is evident from his lack of single handed Rasangan, summoning without Kurama's chakra outside SM, and his lack of ability to break out of genjutsu. This doesn't translate into a very good ninja at all.

Compare that to Sasuke, or Kakashi, or Minato even. All of them have trumendous chakra control and Kakashi and Sasuke are two of the most diverse ninjas out of the lot, if not the most diverse. Naruto lacks the merits to perform Ninja-like tasks, such as setting traps, tailing effectively, leadership, perception. You cannot simply deny these things. Fast forward so many chapters, where does he stand in terms of basic skill growth? You and I both know these are hard facts, whether you accept them or not.

In fact, Naruto was never a ninja to begin with if one is to go by Ninja code of conduct. Sasuke fans? The OP here is in a habit of digging mountains out of mole hills. The number of hate threads he has made; I have lost the count. And this is just one Naruto fan. You can do the math now. I have seen plenty of Naruto fans twist manga statements and facts to suit their own needs. Let's not joke here that which fandom is always under heat and which trolls the hell out of different sections.
 

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Well, if there was no kyuubi and no ems, sasuke is blind....
Naruto still has SM w/ bright future
this post is not an arguement but merely fact..
SM Naruto > blind sasuke
Here's another fact: You don't know how anything would play out if Naruto didn't get the Kyuubi.Minato would still be Hokage and maybe he'd stop the Uchiha massacre on that night.I can hardly call your post 'fact'.Try again.
 

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Last pages the level of discussion is not bad, not bad at all. For the most at least...



Tim, that last sentence wasn't needed. I always like to debate with you and we did some nice discussions in the past where someone from us always accepted when the other one was right.

To answer on your post. I made a crucial part black:
You are right. But Sasuke WENT to Orochimaru, he ASKED for Itachi's eyes. Sorry bro, but those are 2 cheats for me. This while Naruto didn't asked for Kurama. And Kurama was a burden, while Sasuke's power-cheat-up were directly advantages!

I asked Kishi but the dude was wasted like a mothef*cker. Only thing he could say was "Itachi solo's"...


That is like suggesting that Naruto getting trained from Jiraiya is a cheat as well. Lol
 

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Nah, Naruto and Sasuke's case in terms of power is different
The Sharigan is Herditary
The Kyubi is selective

Yeah, he only got the Kyuubi within the first 20 min of his life...how exactly is that "selective"?
 

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I agree that naruto is a very strong ninja without kurama, but without his uzumaki DNA then all he has is guts really Lol

That goes the same for Sasuke without his DNA, mate.

That goes the same for EVERY ninja, in fact. ;)
 

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MS Sasuke? you mean blind ms sasuke
So your post is "mute"
This is really low and gay argument. Just fitting to naruto fanboys :p
Following this logic
Naruto w/o kurama long dead. Killed by sasuke At VoTE.
Or i could simply choose any random instance where naruto was either out chakra or pinned by rods to fit my agenda.
Its all mute since they are all dead cuz fictional characters are like this u know.
Clearly Sasuke's own power MS > SM naruto.
 

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Naruto without Kurama would be reduced to SM and his Rasnagan - its variants - of course, and yes, IF compared to BM, Naruto's power is monumentally decreased. As for his skill then he lacks chakra control, which is evident from his lack of single handed Rasangan, summoning without Kurama's chakra outside SM, and his lack of ability to break out of genjutsu. This doesn't translate into a very good ninja at all.

Compare that to Sasuke, or Kakashi, or Minato even. All of them have trumendous chakra control and Kakashi and Sasuke are two of the most diverse ninjas out of the lot, if not the most diverse. Naruto lacks the merits to perform Ninja-like tasks, such as setting traps, tailing effectively, leadership, perception. You cannot simply deny these things. Fast forward so many chapters, where does he stand in terms of basic skill growth? You and I both know these are hard facts, whether you accept them or not.

In fact, Naruto was never a ninja to begin with if one is to go by Ninja code of conduct. Sasuke fans? The OP here is in a habit of digging mountains out of mole hills. The number of hate threads he has made; I have lost the count. And this is just one Naruto fan. You can do the math now. I have seen plenty of Naruto fans twist manga statements and facts to suit their own needs. Let's not joke here that which fandom is always under heat and which trolls the hell out of different sections.

And sasuke w/o ems is reduced to fodder
Thats it..

Naruto's whole attitude was because he didn't have any parents, and his stunts and goofs were so that he could get attention
His life was hell because of kurama
And sasuke was praised because he was an uchiha
Kurama only helped naruto really
like 150 chapter ago
Other than that it has halted him to the max
The sharingan in no way affected sasuke negatively, until he eventually goes blind
 

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Toads dont count cuz it wasnt naruto that summoned them. U waste chakra for that u know? Summoning 5 is whole lot, Seen how short SM duration is naruto would fail to do half of that. Still how will u counter kurama and info argument?
Sasuke at that time still havent used anything else but amaterasu. He was fighting at his base practically. Hence zetsu's statement wasnt far off.
Itachi? He calls him perfect and always knew that big brother was stronger. Mute point however. Naruto admitted he would need kurama to fight MS sasuke.

Show me the scan. He probably meant that he needed it as a tie breaker. Killing each other doesn't count as beating. Summoners have been shown summoning multiple animals at a single time. Given how much stronger Naruto's chakra gets, he could summon all 3 no problem. Time limits isn't really related to stamina. It's just how long the balance of sage chakra is maintained.
 

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I agree, bra

Sasuke would have easily, again, EASILY been manipulated by Kurama. Did you see how bad he wanted power, he went off to Oro without hesitation

"Naruto nothing without Kurama" is just a bullshit argument by butthurt fanboys
 

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That is like suggesting that Naruto getting trained from Jiraiya is a cheat as well. Lol

He trained for it. It was not like with Sasuke, he just got everything just like that.

Only thing he trained for is chidori, lol.
 
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