Sasuke still has chidori and its variants.
Katon, ninja tools skills, speed and smarts.
W/O uzumaki heritage
Naruto has no stamina, cant have kurama. Cant shadow clones, cant FRS, has no speed, rasengan is what left of him.
Without Sharingan Sasuke wouldn't be able to use chidori because he would leave him self wide open for counter attack. Remember Kakashi Gaide or whatever it was called. Kakashi was able to then use it without risk of danger because of the sharingan. If he had no sharingan Oro wouldn't have brought him in and taught him all those techniques. All he would have is probably smarts and speed and maybe Katon .
Without Sharingan Sasuke wouldn't be able to use chidori because he would leave him self wide open for counter attack. Remember Kakashi Gaide or whatever it was called. Kakashi was able to then use it without risk of danger because of the sharingan. If he had no sharingan Oro wouldn't have brought him in and taught him all those techniques. All he would have is probably smarts and speed and maybe Katon .
Isnt rasengan just as chidori? U run and u hit with it? Tunnel vision no problem for naruto heh? Chidori spear solves the problem no? Didnt near blind sasuke hit the mark with it? No need in sharingan to stab from behind.
Orochimaru didnt train him all that much as he wasnt interested in stronger sasuke, just his sharingan.
This is sadly the current level from the majority of Sasuke-fans. I feel sad for Tim Jamison, Dantee, -Sasuke- and few others who can debate. But the most of there fanclub have the maturity of a 12-year old kid.
This is a good example. Zero arguments from Sir Kid DeDoll, only some lame insults bravely behind his computer.
I am sorry, mate. I am sorry that you need to go to a doctor now because you are butthurt.
But manga is clear. Base Naruto > Base Sasuke. Naruto's Rasengan > Sasuke's Chidori. Sasuke understood that and went on a cheating tour with Orochimaru.
Indeed, bro. Naruto Sage Mode can be as strong as Sage Mode Hashirama in the future. Maybe even stronger because he has more Chakra, because he's an Uzumaki!
even Orochifodder can beat Kyuubiless Naruto high diff
..kage level people like Itachi or Nagato would effortlessly rape him
only a fanboy would think otherwise
Doesn't chance the fact that he ASKED for cheats, twice already. First one with Oro, second one with Itachi's eyes. When did Naruto asked for a cheat? Indeed, never!
Back to the topic at hand:Naruto would've been just as strong if he did'nt have Kurama thanks to Sage Mode and the expanded list of jutsu he would have learned thanks to the fact his chakra would'nt be messed up by Kurama.He would still be top 10 except Naruto would be alot better in the jutsu department.
Seriously, there should be no complaining of borrowed powers, especially from Sasuke fans.
Because stripping everything from both Naruto and Sasuke , Naruto wins.
It's spelled powerful, not powerfull. You made many grammar mistakes; go to school and learn something. When you do, you can come back and stay all day in the NarutoBase. Also, no one said he is nothing, people just knows by common sense that he would be dead since the moment he fought Haku.
Yes, that's obvious. Most of the base knows this. A's fist was extremely close to Naruto's face. He was in a position where he had to move at a faster speed.
Isnt rasengan just as chidori? U run and u hit with it? Tunnel vision no problem for naruto heh? Chidori spear solves the problem no? Didnt near blind sasuke hit the mark with it? No need in sharingan to stab from behind.
Orochimaru didnt train him all that much as he wasnt interested in stronger sasuke, just his sharingan.
Lol for being a Sasuke Fanboy you absolutely don't know crap. To use Chidori you need to be really fast. Its been stated during the Chunin exams and Kakashi gaiden. Minato didn't let Kakashi use that technique because he went to fast and left himself vulnerable open to to attack but with the sharingans predicting ability he was able to then use it without trouble. Rasengan didn't require speed like Chidori get your facts straight. LMFAO So Sasuke went to Oro for no reason? He went there to train :sy: He learned all of those Techniques because of Orochimaru. If he could've done it himself why go to Oros hideout? The rest of your post is irrelevant because he wouldn't know those techs.
Oh the generalizations from some Naruto-die-hards. It's always a treat to read them, considering the amount of hate threads made from 'the man in question' outweigh others' endeavours by a thousand miles. Let's all view ourselves in retrospect before pin-pointing others.
Sasuke still has chidori and its variants.
Katon, ninja tools skills, speed and smarts.
W/O uzumaki heritage
Naruto has no stamina, cant have kurama. Cant shadow clones, cant FRS, has no speed, rasengan is what left of him.
i read the others that were higher, but hopefully this post covers what they were saying.
1. Can't use chidori, because of tunnel vision
2. Katon as a result of Uchiha
3. Uchihas are genius? and smarts are something different
4. His sharingan helped w/ his ability to use ninja tools
Naruto now
1. We don't know naruto's chakra would be w/o kurama, and minato has fairly decent chakra levels.
2.This whole arguement, is based on the idea that naruto doesn't have kurama's chakra.
3. Jiraiya does not have uzumaki chakra, but he can still use sage mode... Also w/o kurama interfering, naruto can fuse w/ ma and pa, can still summon toads, because his father + jiraiya can.
He could use rasengan w/ one hand if it werent for kurama, He can still use shadow clones (so can kiba), just not as many, he could probably still FRS, thats your opinion
Stamina? thats your opinion, minato seems to have above average levels anyway.. Speed is relative, if naruto actually knew that his dad was the fastest nigga alive, he would probably have insane speeds
The point is no matter what situation, Naruto is stronger than sasuke w/ or w/o given powers
Sage mode seals that deal
Sasuke is fodder w/o it
Naruto no
Where was it described twice? In first scan suigetsu claims naruto defeated pain alone, which zetsu confirms. However we both know it was deal of huge help, 2 sage toads, 3 big toads and kurama, not to mention info. I guess sasuke beaten zabuza heh?
After kage summit sasuke didnt accept naruto as on the same level. He state he will kill him, even naruto understood that much.
Spamming clones isnt argument. Clones dont multiply the power of user, user shares his power among them.
Summons count as skills of a ninja. Is Orochimaru a skilless ninja because he almost exclusively uses summons? No. The toads count.
When does Sasuke ever count anyone as his equal? Sasuke's always arrogant. He doesn't always admit when someone is his equal. I believe this best describes what I'm saying.
Because he had Tons of chakra he cound do all this stuff.... 1000 of clones in same time. Ninetail disturb ?
Where you read that ninetail disturb his chakra ? If you dont post Now, its nuff talks
I love how Sasuke has to be brought into this equation.Clearly you guys don't understand the difference between DNA and power being given to them.Sasuke had Itachi's eyes transplanted to him= Having Kyuubi sealed inside Naruto.
Sharingan is in his blood so if anything compare Naruto's Uzumaki genes with Sasuke's Uchiha genes.
Yes, bro. I love it too because once again it shows which fandom is the mature one and can debate with reason. Sadly for the few opposite people who can debate too...
I find this whole thread ridiculous..No one knows how different Naruto would be if he didn't have Kurama..Its been stated for way to long that Kurama has had an effect on his chakra which is way above normal for even the strongest shinobi. Kakashi while training Naruto in nature element stated it that Naruto's chakra levels are 4 times more then his and then stated if he didn't have the 9 tails they would be even higher. Nobody in here knows how he would be as a normal shinobi this jus another bashing fest..Stop d riding if u don't like the character stop reading the manga all together cuz it's all about Naruto..smfh..Naruto = Sasuke stop bashing
Couldn't agree more, Especially the fact that Naruto had to fight Kurama to gain his powers, Sasuke didn't train his eyes they just came to him when he lost a loved one, But Naruto has had it bad as well so its obvious to say if you take away there special abilities Naruto wins all the time.
Oh the generalizations from some Naruto-die-hards. It's always a treat to read them, considering the amount of hate threads made from 'the man in question' outweigh others' endeavours by a thousand miles. Let's all view ourselves in retrospect before pin-pointing others.
Lol for being a Sasuke Fanboy you absolutely don't know crap. To use Chidori you need to be really fast. Its been stated during the Chunin exams and Kakashi gaiden. Minato didn't let Kakashi use that technique because he went to fast and left himself vulnerable open to to attack but with the sharingans predicting ability he was able to then use it without trouble. Rasengan didn't require speed like Chidori get your facts straight. LMFAO So Sasuke went to Oro for no reason? He went there to train :sy: He learned all of those Techniques because of Orochimaru. If he could've done it himself why go to Oros hideout? The rest of your post is irrelevant because he wouldn't know those techs.
Orochimaru was completely unaware of Chidori variants, as he said so himself. Maybe you should read the manga carefully. As for Chidori, then Kakashi himself has displayed during the instances when he killed Haku accidentally long with Kakzuzu that you do not need speed to pierce and kill an opponent. What Minato said was nothing more than a loose hypothesis, not to mention baseless given Kakashi's feats.
You missed the point, Im simply telling the OP that he cant say kurama didnt save naruto's ass when in fact he did.
Sasuke has nothing to do with that part of the argument, however dont compare kurama to sharingan, compare kurama to sasuke's EMS because EMS is his true powerup, not the sharingan. Just like naruto, his chakra & kurama.
Lol for being a Sasuke Fanboy you absolutely don't know crap. To use Chidori you need to be really fast. Its been stated during the Chunin exams and Kakashi gaiden. Minato didn't let Kakashi use that technique because he went to fast and left himself vulnerable open to to attack but with the sharingans predicting ability he was able to then use it without trouble. Rasengan didn't require speed like Chidori get your facts straight.
This has been stated, but it only aplies to suicidal frontal attacks. Chidori has piercing capabilities just enough to pierce any1 w/o running for 10 meters head on. As already seen in manga. Same shit aplies to rasengan. Use ur brain to filter BS.
LMFAO So Sasuke went to Oro for no reason? He went there to train :sy: He learned all of those Techniques because of Orochimaru. If he could've done it himself why go to Oros hideout? The rest of your post is irrelevant because he wouldn't know those techs.
LMAO thats why, orochimaru knew nothing of sasuke's chakra shape manipulation and chidori variants.
U know u really not up my level in debate, call me what u want but ur understating and knowledge of manga are far below. Seems u only have eyes for naruto.
Which hard arguments? We both know you never make them, along with many others I have come across. I won't speak for anyone being a decent fan or not, but let's be honest with ourselves.
It's just a manga. Drop the hard-ass attitude, please.
This proves you didn't read any of mine or others arguments. I don't even go further in debate with you, since your level is way below mine.
Just this: remove that sig. You don't deserve Emma!
***Sasuke is a gaylord!!!!!!!***
You see, THAT is bashing. What I did was just stating some facts. Naruto without Kurama is still Sage Mode Naruto = Elite Shinobi.
Which hard arguments? We both know you never make them, along with many others I have come across. I won't speak for anyone being a decent fan or not, but let's be honest with ourselves.
It's just a manga. Drop the hard-ass attitude, please.
Tell that to the people who make the assessment that Naruto's nothing without Kurama, and claim that's he's a horrible ninja. Let them be the ones that drop it. I'm positive that these threads wouldn't be made if Sasuke fans tried to degrade Naruto.
You missed the point, Im simply telling the OP that he cant say kurama didnt save naruto's ass when in fact he did.
Sasuke has nothing to do with that part of the argument, however dont compare kurama to sharingan, compare kurama to sasuke's EMS because EMS is his true powerup, not the sharingan. Just like naruto, his chakra & kurama.
Tell that to the people who make the assessment that Naruto's nothing without Kurama, and claim that's he's a horrible ninja. Let them be the ones that drop it. I'm positive that these threads wouldn't be made if Sasuke fans tried to degrade Naruto.
This has been stated, but it only aplies to suicidal frontal attacks. Chidori has piercing capabilities just enough to pierce any1 w/o running for 10 meters head on. As already seen in manga. Same shit aplies to rasengan. Use ur brain to filter BS.
LMAO thats why, orochimaru knew nothing of sasuke's chakra shape manipulation and chidori variants.
U know u really not up my level in debate, call me what u want but ur understating and knowledge of manga are far below. Seems u only have eyes for naruto.
Chidori can be used to its max potential in coordination w/ the sharingan pointblank period
Kakashi probably wouldnt had taught him it if it werent for that
And you never responded to my previous post i see.
