Cant Deny Manga.. MS sasuke>SM naruto

[AGoodBoy]

Wow just wow, that's all I can say

1. Please open a dictionary before making claims similar and same don't equal the same definition. Raikiri is more concentrated than Chidori thus making it STRONGER (key word: stronger). You're not even using logic if you equate that a base rasengan is the same as a Chou Odoma Rasengan

3. And I still don't see any manga scans just words. Ok, let me borrow you logic
You say that Yata can be proven since it's reflected Sasuke's Sword, the Orochi strike and explosions but yet you deny Raikiri's hype when it has been proven already based on manga events? You're right about dat irony, and you're choc full of it

4. Are you serious right now bro? lol. I don't have to be in the NV or go near the sun to know that if Ama hype was true that whole summit would have been melted along with anyone in it. In case you didn't know, it is impossible for a human to go near the sun. Heck we sweat from it and we're thousand and thousands miles away from it

Do you know how to read? Do you not read what I am saying? How many times must I redundantly tell you, that I accept Yata blocking physical attacks, however I won't conform to it's ability to block (all) Nature based attacks due to it being featless (in this department). You are still not providing with factual manga evidence to back up your claim of Yata's (full) hype.

5. Keep reading, what did Oro say? He said it didn't pierce him, Naruto didn't grab it until after he hit the floor which means that he was trying to pierce him but couldn't so this post is invalid

6. This post is also invaid E.G Iruka claimed Hiruzen to be the God of Shinobi
It was said Hiruzen knew all of the Leaf's Jutsu
Pain was held as the second sage of the six paths (but lost to Naruto)


You did not backup Yata's hype and keep straying off topic, if you're gonna debate do it right. Show me a scan backing Yata deflecting Nature Based Attacks

Character statement of Raikiri (since you want to play these games)

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I'm done with you. You beg for scans to prove something that's impossible to prove, but you provide no scans for you arguement.

Disprove yata or seriously stfu. Like really. DB, Website, Scan, Even your imagination. Some proof of yata failing to do it's basic job. That's all you need to win this arguement. No one can prove any, ever. If i said i can swim through anything, and swam through liquid nitrogen, lava, rock, acid, the sun, light, demons, some other wack shit. That doesn't effectively prove i can swim through ANYTHING. It effectly proves i can swim through that. You need to find something I can't swim through, else i can effectively swim through anything.

I have no idea WTF you're talking about since i accepted your fact that raikiri cuts anything. I can't disprove it, therefore it's a ****ing fact. Do you understand simple english? No?

I CAN NOT - That means, in no way can I, ME, THE ONE WRITING TO YOU, tell you otherwise
PROVE TO YOU - Show YOU any form of evidence. Any thing, or shred of information. NOT EVEN A STatement proving otherwise
THAT RAIKIRI DOESN't - Said attack claimed to do what it is claimed to do. That it would not, cannot. There is one instance when this WON'T Happen
CUT ANYTHING - ANYTHING. Jesus-Fu*cking-Christ. Any god damn thing.
THEREFORE IT DOES - IT will cut any and all.

If it meets yata, there's a paradox at best. I'm playing no games, you are to try to prove some bullshit nonsense in your fantasy land.

Sets ANd Logics

Definition
If for all x ∈ U, p(x) is true, we write ∀x : p(x).
∀ is called the universal quantifier.

You need to find 1 Instance where the statement where the situation is false, otherwise it is TRUE.


Go find your scans or don't respond. Just log off and quit while you're behind. I don't care about the dehyped nonsense you keep trying to ass pull. We're talking about Yata mirror, not whatever the hell you keep trying to bring up.

SHOW ME A CHIPPED YATA MIRROR

Ps; 10/10 for getting me annoyed. You're a successful troll.

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I don't know where in that site is the information i want you to sink in, nor do i care. It's a randomly googled site, so have fun.

 

[sorbic]

Didn't help Kakashi.

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Or Pain, who had extreme skill in seeing chakra and ninjutsu.

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Good job referencing two non uchihas. Sasuke saw deidara's chakra.

 

[SeBa]

hahaha why do people like you try to deny the manga... kishi saw how people started to think naruto>ms sasuke so he put people in check by showing naruto admit ms sasuke would defeat him

hatred hatred haterd hateahbasuihsadoivbgasuibvgusaibvasubvasiuv
lol stop with this shit naruto kick's sasuke's asss LOL

 

[HadouKage]

I'm done with you. You beg for scans to prove something that's impossible to prove, but you provide no scans for you arguement.

Disprove yata or seriously stfu. Like really. DB, Website, Scan, Even your imagination. Some proof of yata failing to do it's basic job. That's all you need to win this arguement. No one can prove any, ever. If i said i can swim through anything, and swam through liquid nitrogen, lava, rock, acid, the sun, light, demons, some other wack shit. That doesn't effectively prove i can swim through ANYTHING. It effectly proves i can swim through that. You need to find something I can't swim through, else i can effectively swim through anything.

I have no idea WTF you're talking about since i accepted your fact that raikiri cuts anything. I can't disprove it, therefore it's a ****ing fact. Do you understand simple english? No?

I CAN NOT - That means, in no way can I, ME, THE ONE WRITING TO YOU, tell you otherwise
PROVE TO YOU - Show YOU any form of evidence. Any thing, or shred of information. NOT EVEN A STatement proving otherwise
THAT RAIKIRI DOESN't - Said attack claimed to do what it is claimed to do. That it would not, cannot. There is one instance when this WON'T Happen
CUT ANYTHING - ANYTHING. Jesus-Fu*cking-Christ. Any god damn thing.
THEREFORE IT DOES - IT will cut any and all.

If it meets yata, there's a paradox at best. I'm playing no games, you are to try to prove some bullshit nonsense in your fantasy land.

Sets ANd Logics

You need to find 1 Instance where the statement where the situation is false, otherwise it is TRUE.


Go find your scans or don't respond. Just log off and quit while you're behind. I don't care about the dehyped nonsense you keep trying to ass pull. We're talking about Yata mirror, not whatever the hell you keep trying to bring up.

SHOW ME A CHIPPED YATA MIRROR

Ps; 10/10 for getting me annoyed. You're a successful troll.

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I don't know where in that site is the information i want you to sink in, nor do i care. It's a randomly googled site, so have fun.

LMFAO at this guy throwing a pissy fit
Why should I be the one to provide proof of Yata's durability when you're the one making the claim? Don't get mad at me because the manga can't back your assumption. Most to everything in your last post was either wrong or an a**pull don't step up to something you can't handle U_U

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Good job referencing two non uchihas. Sasuke saw deidara's chakra.

:leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf:

Kakashi has sharingan and Pain had a visual jutsu that senses chakra. Doesn't mater if Kakashi's not an Uchiha. Diedara's chakra, so? Was he completely out of sight when he saw it?

You want to see Uchiha's confused, here it is.

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[pateuvasiliu]

he doesn't and it was already proven to you in the other thread

MS Sasuke? No way in hell.

EMS doesn't beat him either.

 

[sorbic]

:leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf:

Kakashi has sharingan and Pain had a visual jutsu that senses chakra. Doesn't mater if Kakashi's not an Uchiha. Diedara's chakra, so? Was he completely out of sight when he saw it?

You want to see Uchiha's confused, here it is.

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lets see naruto create chakra infused bugs to block sasukes vision. idiot -_-

 

[sorbic]

MS Sasuke? No way in hell.

EMS doesn't beat him either.

you're a fanboy so no sense in arguing with you

 

[Sennin of Logic]

lets see naruto create chakra infused bugs to block sasukes vision. idiot -_-

Show me where it's stated that an Uchiha sees better than Kakashi idiot.

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It was stated in the anime that Kakashi was a better user of the sharingan than most Uchiha. This was stated by Itachi.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

you're a fanboy so no sense in arguing with you

Based on this post, you're a troll.

But you seem to think MS Sasuke can beat Pain, so tell me how that goes.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Good job referencing two non uchihas. Sasuke saw deidara's chakra.

I'll admit that the one with the bugs is far-fetched, however, this will blow your argument out of the water.

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Itachi said that one of these "non Uchihas" was better at sensing than him.

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And yet, the one who's better couldn't detect Naruto's chakra through the smoke. It'd be a different case if it was the Byakugan, but sharingans don't have that kind of vision.

 

[sorbic]

I'll admit that the one with the bugs is far-fetched, however, this will blow your argument out of the water.

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Itachi said that one of these "non Uchihas" was better at sensing than him.

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And yet, the one who's better couldn't detect Naruto's chakra through the smoke. It'd be a different case if it was the Byakugan, but sharingans don't have that kind of vision.

Sasuke specifically said he saw deidara's chakra. Sensing and seeing are completely different.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Sasuke specifically said he saw deidara's chakra. Sensing and seeing are completely different.

But if something blocks the user (like a smokescreen or mist) then they won't be able to see it.

 

[KidGamer65]

V4 with MS isn't very memorable. Wanna no why? Sasuke only had V4 for an instant! He didn't get to use it with MS so we can't really make it part of Sasuke's arsenal. Neither Sasuke nor Itachi have been shown to maintain V4 for long periods of time. Heck, Sasuke couldn't maintain V3 for the full 10 minutes. It was clearly exhausting him.

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I did notice that He could use amaterasu with V1/2, however.....

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Doesn't matter, he's already shown the ability to mix Enton with a higher level Susanoo so he can mix it with ANY Susanoo. Yeah he couldn't manifest it for 10 min...AFTER he had finished fighting the other Kage and had already taken a lot of damage from MS Strain. Naruto can't even hold SM for half that time, which becomes less as he uses FRS.

I'm not sure whether it's meant that using them simultaneously did that or using it quickly after disbanding it drained him. Don't forget using susanoo harms Sasuke. He was literally coughing blood while using it.

I know using Susanoo harms Sasuke, not enough to cause him to drop dead after using it for less than 5 minutes. Especially when he can use it in bursts like he did vs Danzo.

Naruto's ransenshuriken in SM would definitely cut through V3 susanoo. Danzo used his wind style enhanced by his summons to cut a clear opening on the susanoo.

That clearly means that Danzo's Fuuton buffed by Baku's wind is stronger than SM FRS. FRS is weaker than Kirin, and Kirin was blocked by a V2 Susanoo, V2 Susanoo blocks FRS with little to no damage and V3 tanks it completely. There is no getting around that simple fact.

Naruto in SM outclassed summons in ways that they were specifically made for.

Ok?

The rhino summons requires no explanation. The bird was given more screen time in the anime, and we saw that it was fast enough to break windows. That means that it travels at supersonic speeds. If Naruto can outclass summons at what they're best at, then it's extremely likely that he's stronger than most, if not all summons in power of ninjutsu. Ransenshuriken is the highest level of shape and nature transformation. This combined with the enhanced power of SM would at least be as powerful as Danzo's wind style. It would at least be able to cut through V3.

The bold doesn't help to prove your point at all. The rest of your post is baseless. Its already clear that a V2 Susanoo blocked Kirin. Kirin is FAR stronger than FRS. Thus it can block FRS and any level above it can as well.

It isn't cutting through V3 period, not when something stronger than it was blocked by a Susanoo weaker than V3, that doesn't even make any sense. Stop trying to get around this fact by going on about something else when the facts are right there.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Doesn't matter, he's already shown the ability to mix Enton with a higher level Susanoo so he can mix it with ANY Susanoo. Yeah he couldn't manifest it for 10 min...AFTER he had finished fighting the other Kage and had already taken a lot of damage from MS Strain. Naruto can't even hold SM for half that time, which becomes less as he uses FRS.


I know using Susanoo harms Sasuke, not enough to cause him to drop dead after using it for less than 5 minutes. Especially when he can use it in bursts like he did vs Danzo.


That clearly means that Danzo's Fuuton buffed by Baku's wind is stronger than SM FRS. FRS is weaker than Kirin, and Kirin was blocked by a V2 Susanoo, V2 Susanoo blocks FRS with little to no damage and V3 tanks it completely. There is no getting around that simple fact.


Ok?



The bold doesn't help to prove your point at all. The rest of your post is baseless. Its already clear that a V2 Susanoo blocked Kirin. Kirin is FAR stronger than FRS. Thus it can block FRS and any level above it can as well.

It isn't cutting through V3 period, not when something stronger than it was blocked by a Susanoo weaker than V3, that doesn't even make any sense. Stop trying to get around this fact by going on about something else when the facts are right there.

What proof do you have that it was a V2 susanoo that blocked it? What proof do you have that he didn't use toska? All we saw was a flash of kirin, then we saw Itachi without susanoo, then we saw him activate V1 and then a full susanoo. Yata mirror doesn't simply cause things to bonce back (going by the paper bomb explosions). You can't say for sure that he didn't use V4 or toska. Show me a scan, where Itachi was using V2 while it hit. You'll find none. This part of your reasoning is baseless. I fail to see how you disproved me. After all, this means that by your logic, Danzo with his summons>Kirin. I think that it's ludicrous.


How do you know that using inferno style with susanoo V4 isn't a special ability of that form like the bow and arrow was for V3? The fact that we haven't seen inferno style or amaterasu outside of ribcage without destroying the susanoo outside of V4.

Another thing, your argument about the 5 kages only works on his eyes, not his stamina. Here's why.

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Karin healed Sasuke and restored his chakra. He recovered before his fight with Danzo. This was after his confrontation with Onoiki.

He doesn't look the least bit tired when he came out.

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[pateuvasiliu]

Its already clear that a V2 Susanoo blocked Kirin. Kirin is FAR stronger than FRS. Thus it can block FRS and any level above it can as well.

Okay, you keep saying this.

Just because it destroyed that hill doesn't make it stronger than FRS. They are completely different techniques.

Again, Kirin -smashes- a target, whereas FRS cuts/pierces/stabs it. I am not exactly sure how you can even compare them. It's like comparing Shinra Tensei to Raikiri.

Both are classes as S rank techniques, but FRS can be shot - two at once - and it's been shown that wind techniques work wonders against Susanoo.

Danzo's fuuton is nowhere near FRS level. I don't know where people got that, that Baku's suction is more powerful than FRS, but if you want to say that Danzo used 2 fuutons, okay, fine.

Naruto uses the Shadow Shuriken to throw 2 FRS at the same time. There you go, 2 fuutons, each stronger than Danzo's technique. Is that enough to break Susanoo? I'd say it is. You've got 2 S rank fuutons compared to 2... A rank at best fuutons, that were destroying Susanoo.

But wait, there's more! Not only is FRS S rank in base, but Naruto uses Senjutsu chakra to upgrade it. It even goes -HIGHER- than simply S rank.

To follow up, Chou Odama Rasengan is stated to level a mountain should it hit. But FRS? And -TWO- at that? If Rasengan levels a mountain, can you imagine what a senjutsu power FRS would do? What about -TWO- senjutsu powered FRS?

 

[Gakido]

SM Naruto and MS Sasuke are one of the few times they were equal.

 

[KidGamer65]

What proof do you have that it was a V2 susanoo that blocked it? What proof do you have that he didn't use toska? All we saw was a flash of kirin, then we saw Itachi without susanoo, then we saw him activate V1 and then a full susanoo. Yata mirror doesn't simply cause things to bonce back (going by the paper bomb explosions). You can't say for sure that he didn't use V4 or toska. Show me a scan, where Itachi was using V2 while it hit. You'll find none. This part of your reasoning is baseless. I fail to see how you disproved me. After all, this means that by your logic, Danzo with his summons>Kirin. I think that it's ludicrous.

@bold: Wrong, manga disagrees with you there, big time. Yata already repelled any attack that came in contact with it yet you think Kirin would be not repelled for what ridiculous reason? Stop denying manga proof because it foils your argument.

Repelled.

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Repelled.

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Replled.

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You saying it doesn't repel attacks is false as the Db and manga feats disagree.

The one that he activated was V2. I already gave you an explanation of each Susanoo and you are still spouting this nonsense. My god.

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You can see the arms and the head of that Susanoo. Its the Skeleton Susanoo, V2. Ribcage is V1, V1 is not that big.

This is a V1 Susanoo for christ's sakes.

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Oh god, first of all Itachi said: "If it weren't for this, I would have been done for"

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This is referring to the Susanoo he is currently using, which is V2.

Not to mention he doesn't have time to put up V3 or V4 as we have seen how long it takes to throw that up.

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Impossible for him to have done that BEFORE Kirin struck him, completely impossible and if you think otherwise then you should slap yourself.

What the hell are you talking about. How the hell does V2 Susanoo blocking Kirin mean Danzo + BAku Fuuton>Kirin? Kirin completely obliterated the Susanoo. REMEMBER THAT. Meaning it would do serious damage to V3, Danzo's Fuuton buffed by Baku only did minor damage to it.

How do you know that using inferno style with susanoo V4 isn't a special ability of that form like the bow and arrow was for V3? The fact that we haven't seen inferno style or amaterasu outside of ribcage without destroying the susanoo outside of V4.

Its a special ability of V4 yet he used it on the Ribcage? Enton Kagutsuchi is a completely separate technique from Susanoo, as stated by C. He uses his left eye to use Amaterasu and his right eye to control the flames. Completely unrelated to Susanoo.

The scan says left eye but look at the panel and you will see that he used his right eye.

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Another thing, your argument about the 5 kages only works on his eyes, not his stamina. Here's why.

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Karin healed Sasuke and restored his chakra. He recovered before his fight with Danzo. This was after his confrontation with Onoiki.

He doesn't look the least bit tired when he came out.

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Regardless, the fact he made it to that point without collapsing and dying is enough to say he won't collapse while fighting SM Naruto, whose SM only lasts for 5 minutes, which becomes less as he uses FRS.

 

[KidGamer65]

Okay, you keep saying this.

Just because it destroyed that hill doesn't make it stronger than FRS. They are completely different techniques.

Again, Kirin -smashes- a target, whereas FRS cuts/pierces/stabs it. I am not exactly sure how you can even compare them. It's like comparing Shinra Tensei to Raikiri.

Both are classes as S rank techniques, but FRS can be shot - two at once - and it's been shown that wind techniques work wonders against Susanoo.

Danzo's fuuton is nowhere near FRS level. I don't know where people got that, that Baku's suction is more powerful than FRS, but if you want to say that Danzo used 2 fuutons, okay, fine.

Naruto uses the Shadow Shuriken to throw 2 FRS at the same time. There you go, 2 fuutons, each stronger than Danzo's technique. Is that enough to break Susanoo? I'd say it is. You've got 2 S rank fuutons compared to 2... A rank at best fuutons, that were destroying Susanoo.

But wait, there's more! Not only is FRS S rank in base, but Naruto uses Senjutsu chakra to upgrade it. It even goes -HIGHER- than simply S rank.

To follow up, Chou Odama Rasengan is stated to level a mountain should it hit. But FRS? And -TWO- at that? If Rasengan levels a mountain, can you imagine what a senjutsu power FRS would do? What about -TWO- senjutsu powered FRS?

Not even sure if serious with that ridiculous comment. It doesn't matter if they are different types of damage. Bijuu Dama and FRS are different types of damage but it is completely obvious which one is stronger. Them being different types of damage doesn't make one weaker than the other.

Rasen Shuriken's specialty is slicing the opponents on a cellular level and destroying their chakra network, none of which means squat when using it against a chakra construct like Susanoo. So that leaves you to compare their Destructive Capability and it is pretty damn obvious which one has more DC (Which is needed to get past Susanoo) Why would want to cut, slice and stab a hard armor like Susanoo anyway? Its obvious which one will deal more damage.

Are you really using rank to compare the strengths of different jutsu? Lmao, this is hilarious. Rank=/=Power, obvious if you have been reading the manga. Rank only alludes to how hard it is to learn and master the jutsu.

Manga feats disagree with the bold. V2 blocked Kirin which is obviously stronger than FRS, V3 was damaged by Danzo and Baku's Fuuton combo.

 

[Gakido]

Rasen Shuriken's specialty is slicing the opponents on a cellular level and destroying their chakra network, none of which means squat when using it against a chakra construct like Susanoo. So that leaves you to compare their Destructive Capability and it is pretty damn obvious which one has more DC (Which is needed to get past Susanoo)

Naruto's SM Rasenshruiken showed cutting power, and far more than Danzo's Fuuton.