Yes they do, he's one of the most powerful living shinobi & that is backed up by feats. Why are you bringing edo madara into this? He's obviusly an advanced version & thus more powerful. How on earth does this discredit hashi's hype?
Madara needed hashirama's parts at least intact to get some cells. A god of shinobi needed whole page + some to be able to enter SM and counter what madara can bring in 3-4 panels and under 10 sec. Clearly at that scenario where hashi had no SM madara let him run lose.
Edo Madara is not much stronger than VoTE madara. Alive madara was able to spam kyuubi + PS swordslash. Those two attacks are some of the strongest in the manga as they both can bust mountain ranges easily.
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Why are you bringing edo tensei into this? Not only does it require prep but its not kabuto who's stopping madara, its the edo army. Put kabuto vs EMS madara alone & he loses
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Seriously......? Sage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NV don't add him as a filler character because you cant find anybody else.
Also 1 more thing, all of these characters are top 5-10 ninja its funny how you think hashi's feats are garbage when they can only be matched by the strongest characters in the series
Throwing some chibaku tensei at budda thus making it collapse on its own size and weight isnt that bad of an option.
Yeah, SM is hashi's only chance but that doesnt change the fact that it makes him slightly stronger than EMS madara. Madara needed to obtain a summon before he reach hashi's level while hashi just needs a few seconds to enter his most powerful form. Hashi can also counter PS sword slash without SM.
That is still debatable as madara charged into budda's range and not the opposite where he could use some extra time to throw extra tbbs and thus finish whats left of budda.
It sure didnt look as few seconds. Hashi has run for miles away and one TBB forced him to bring gates. Forget about dozens more. Madara used his power and time to seize power of kurama, Hashirama used his power and time to seize power of nature. They simply chose different power ups. Im sure madara with SM would be even more powerful
I dont find golem to be able to tank PS slash, It also isnt much bigger then PS if at all.
Thats all great, but the talk is not about that.
True but that's called CIS, that was madara's decision & he messed it up. That is a good point though, he could've stood back but we will never know because of his attitude
But the point is that hashi can hold his ground against an uchiha & a bijuu. Most shinobi have trouble handling an uchiha, let alone a bijuu. Hashi being able to handle both is proof of his feats because most shinobi cant even handle half of what was thrown at him.
The point is that its able to hold its ground against such an incredible force.
The talk is about hashi's hype no? If not then my bad but ive never seen anybody produce jutsus of that scale with mere nature release alone.
LOL. Well if he has intelligence stat of 1 thats excusable i guess. Anyway im not talking about how one fights or choses to fight but the power, abilities and best way to use them, madara is clear winner to me as superior platform.True but that's called CIS, that was madara's decision & he messed it up. That is a good point though, he could've stood back but we will never know because of his attitude
The way madara fights counts towards his overall strength as a character (intelligence), he pulled a fail maneuver & paid the price for it Lol.
The scale of his jutsus w/o SM wasnt that impressive. Madara was pretty much matching that with PS. SM however made it 100fold. If same BS would apply to SM madara, let hashi have the damn kyuubi 100x bigger PS i like that.
Yeah madara definitely has raw power, but I dont see any ninja who can stand a better chance other than obito & maybe nagato
Hashi's wood demon was the same size as a 100% kurama, thats incredible
PS is bigger then kuramaHashi's wood demon was the same size as a 100% kurama, thats incredible
Not sure what you mean about SM madara:dunno:
Then please tell me why the 4th Hokage even bothered to try to create the second technique, when judging by what you said earlier, his initial technique that he created was already a " perfect " jutsu. Or are you just going to put up the fallacy stating that you can make something that is already perfect, more perfect. Just admit it, Rasengan is not a perfect jutsu, quit twisting the definition of words to benefit your argument.
Please enlighten me, how do you make something that is already perfect, more perfect?
Thanks for helping to prove my point yet again! It is a manga fact that every jutsu has a weakness, which goes against your definition of perfect even more since something that is perfect cannot have faults or defects, which is why I'm still laughing at your example using Minato's Rasengan and proceeding to call it a perfect jutsu. ( man, it just seems like all the points you bring up just end up getting used against you )
Which takes us back to our original argument. I will say that Kabuto mastered Edo Tensei, but this happened in part 2, not part 1. Making your whole argument of " Hashirama was beaten by an old man " an asinine and moot point, since Hashirama was not at full power in the first place.
Lol oh I see. Well hashi obviously wouldn't win there but you just described a mini rikudou, (powerful chakra, & large reserves, susanoo eye & SM body) nobody could withstand that O_OPS is bigger then kurama
By SM madara i mean that he has huge stamina as well and could've easily attained SM himself.
Where im getting is trading power ups here. Most people think kyuubi is a big deal. However hashirama w/o SM but with kyuubi vs SM madara with better genjutsu 100x bigger PS, more chakra and more raw power to susanno.
Its a one big ****ing lol. Hashi wont even begin to pose a thread there.
I just traded power ups. To all those who thought kyuubi was that much of a help to madara
. And simply showcased how Biased SM is in hashirama's case lolYes yes, but no. Its like saying SM naruto could beat pain w/o plot -.-
Because Buddha can't just beat them down? Edo madara does not have infinite chakra to spam CT's all day. Also not sure if size of 1k hands is not being observed. It towered over a full powered kurama combined with PS.
All true but budda has no speed feats to escape gravitational pull or even destroy it. Any attempt will just add to protection layer. CT was destroyed by huge explosion jutsus, where speed of particles easily exceeds gravity and defeat the core. At very least it would cripple it and left vulnerable to other attacks
