Nagato Can't Counter Kirin

[Infinite Yaoi Emperor]

While this is indeed a flaw in Nagato's defenses, I agree that Sasuke wouldn't have time to set it up unless he had prior knowledge when and where their battle would take place. But if he had that, yea he'd be able to use it to crush him in a surprise attack. But if he's noticed, he better switch to Susanoo and quick XD

 

[Serpent]

First, Nagato is able to stop it with the Preta Path. Chakra = Energy and everything has Energy, this was the main point of the training Naruto did to gain Sage Mode. Using the Natural Energy or Natural "Chakra" to empower youself. It was clearly seen that Nagato's Preta Path's, Pein Body, was able to absorb the Natural Energy or "Chakra" from Naruto's body without trouble. So, in the case of the Preta Path, yes it can absorb a natural lightning attack.

Second, the Deva Path is the ability to control attracting or opposing forces. it's not really gravity however that is the best way to describe it. By using an opposing force similar to a magnet for this instance, it is possible to repel a lightning strike.

 

[Aertes]

You don't take into consideration the fact that Kirin needs preparations.He needs time and actions (fire jutsus) that are visible and noticeable by the enemy.And Pain is smart enough to understand that Sasuke will be up to something.Not to mention that he can absorb his fire jutsus,not allowing him to create the right environmental circumstances to use Kirin.
Also Sasuke uses chakra to manipulate and direct Kirin.Pain can use Preta path at that point to incapacitate his jutsu.

 

[Thundercles]

First, Nagato is able to stop it with the Preta Path. Chakra = Energy and everything has Energy, this was the main point of the training Naruto did to gain Sage Mode. Using the Natural Energy or Natural "Chakra" to empower youself. It was clearly seen that Nagato's Preta Path's, Pein Body, was able to absorb the Natural Energy or "Chakra" from Naruto's body without trouble. So, in the case of the Preta Path, yes it can absorb a natural lightning attack.

Second, the Deva Path is the ability to control attracting or opposing forces. it's not really gravity however that is the best way to describe it. By using an opposing force similar to a magnet for this instance, it is possible to repel a lightning strike.

I do believe you just ended his argument. Good job.

 

[Thundercles]

Good job,
the Rinnegan is not that impressive in the end.
Sasuke stomps Nagato.

I lol's that remark.

 

[khaydz5]

Kirin>Preta Path​

First off, Kirin can't get absorbed by Preta Path because it is made out of natural lightning. Preta Path can only absorb attacks that contain chakra but natural lightning is pure lightning without any chakra.

Kirin>Deva Path​

In order to understand this section, you must know how the force of electricity and the force of gravity are calculated as well as how Sasuke launches Kirin and Nagato launches Shinra Tensei.

Force of Electricity​

First off, the force of electricity is calculated through the formula: F = kq1q2/r^2. F is the force of electricity, k is the universal electrical force constant of 9.0X10^9, q1 is the amount of charges in coulombs of the first source, q2 is the amount of charge in coulombs of the second source and finally, r is the distance, in meters, between the two sources, q1 and q2. So in this scenario, r is the distance between Sasuke and the thundercloud, q1 is the amount of electrical charge in the thundercloud and q2 is the amount of electrical charge in Sasuke's own hand.

The

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lightning bolt contains 5 coulombs of electrical charge but keep in mind two things. It was said that Kakashi was able to cut lighting with his raikiri so we'll assume that a skilled lightning release user with an average amount of chakra can produce up to 5 coulombs of electrical charge in their hands or else Kakashi would have got overwhelmed by the amount of electrical charge in the lightning bolt. Bare in mind that kirin is much stronger than a regular lightning bolt because after lightning strikes, the thundercloud doesn't go away, but when Sasuke uses kirin, it does go away because he uses up most of the electrical charge in the thundercloud. On average, thunderclouds have an electrical charge of between

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but just to be on the safe side, we'll assume that the thundercloud that Sasuke creates to use kirin has 350 coulombs of charge. So q1, the amount of electrical charge in the thundercloud is 350 C. q2 is going to be 5 coulombs because we already determined that a skilled lightning release user can produce up to 5 coulombs of electricity in their hands.

Force of Gravity​

Secondly, the force of gravity is calculated through the formula: F = GMm/r^2. F is the force of gravity, G is the universal gravitational force constant of 6.67X10^-11, M is the mass of the more massive object, m is the mass of the less massive object and r is the distance between the two masses, M and m. Notice how the universal gravitational force constant is much much weaker than the universal electrical force constant? The electrical force constant is 1.349X10^20 times greater than the gravitational force constant. In this case scenario, M is Nagato's mass in kg, m is the mass of the lightning bolt in kg and r is the distance between the lightning bolt and Nagato in meters.

Nagato was an extremely thin and frail man so his mass ought to be much lower compared to the average man which is

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. We'll assume Nagato weighs 50 kg which is a reasonable approximation of his mass IMO. The mass of the lightning bolt he will be repelling is going to be approximately the same as the thunder cloud because Sasuke will be using up most of the thundercloud to utilize Kirin.

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This mass is equal to 3.96893e9 kg.

The value of r is not important because the distance between Sasuke and the thundercloud or Nagato and the thundercloud will be roughly the same so we'll ignore the division of r^2 as doing so is redundant.

Force of Electricity = kq1q2 / r^2
= 9.0X10^9(350)(5) / r^2
=1.575X10^13 / r^2

Force of Gravity = GMm / r^2
= 6.67X10^-11(3.96893e9)(50) / r^2
= 13.236 / r^2

Now I'm well aware of the fact that Nagato's shinra tensei has much more force as shown in the manga than what I just calculated, but bare in mind that even still, in general, it is a well known fact that the force of gravity is negligible compared to the force of electricity. Also even in manga context, shinra tensei dispelling lightning doesn't make much sense either.

However, I agree that Nagato>>>EMS Sasuke.

lol nice detail and all but you forgot one thing.

with nagato's godly powers he can actually control the weather. rain maker jutsu my man. he can dispurse the thunder cloud even before sasuke can use the lightning.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lol Manga>>>you

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hype disagrees with you, and so do I.

Hype doesn't mean shit. Kakashi can't move nearly fast enough to react to lightning striking. This alone makes it impossible for him to cut lightning.

The sheer power of Kirin makes it impossible for Raikiri to cut it.

 

[Thundercles]

Serpent killed this thread.

Indeed he did.

 

[Minator93]

Hype doesn't mean shit. Kakashi can't move nearly fast enough to react to lightning striking. This alone makes it impossible for him to cut lightning.

The sheer power of Kirin makes it impossible for Raikiri to cut it.

Guy told them Kakashi's Feat Lol

 

[Punk Hazard]

First, Nagato is able to stop it with the Preta Path. Chakra = Energy and everything has Energy, this was the main point of the training Naruto did to gain Sage Mode. Using the Natural Energy or Natural "Chakra" to empower youself. It was clearly seen that Nagato's Preta Path's, Pein Body, was able to absorb the Natural Energy or "Chakra" from Naruto's body without trouble. So, in the case of the Preta Path, yes it can absorb a natural lightning attack.

Second, the Deva Path is the ability to control attracting or opposing forces. it's not really gravity however that is the best way to describe it. By using an opposing force similar to a magnet for this instance, it is possible to repel a lightning strike.

Chakra isn't energy. Chakra is a mixture of two types of energies, spiritual and physical. Lightning is electrical energy, so it isn't being absorbed. Zetsu also mentioned Kirin is something that can't be done with chakra alone. If chakra and energy are one, then Kirin would be impossible.

The reason Preta was able to absorb the Narure Energy from Naruto's body is because it was melded to his chakra. The Nature Energy just flowed with the chakra.

 

[Itachi Solos All]

Hype doesn't mean shit. Kakashi can't move nearly fast enough to react to lightning striking. This alone makes it impossible for him to cut lightning.

The sheer power of Kirin makes it impossible for Raikiri to cut it.

Your argument is futile.Quit making it worse for yourself.

 

[Fodder#4]

I don't see EMS Sasuke getting out of Chibaku Tensei. I mean, do you? You must if you think he could win.


No iteration of Sasuke can defeat Nagato, and none of them can get Kirin prepared. Remember Nagato was called God, Sasuke was called a low-life criminal. The difference is giant.

I didn't mean Nagato, I was speaking for Pein more or less.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Your argument is futile.Quit making it worse for yourself.

My argument is correct.
Kakashi is too slow to even track lightning as it strikes.
He is too slow to move to cut it
Kirin can obliterate a mountain, Raikiri makes holes. Clearly, the force of Kirin clashing with a Raikiri would blow the Raikiri and its user away.

 

[KidGamer65]

First, Nagato is able to stop it with the Preta Path. Chakra = Energy and everything has Energy, this was the main point of the training Naruto did to gain Sage Mode. Using the Natural Energy or Natural "Chakra" to empower youself. It was clearly seen that Nagato's Preta Path's, Pein Body, was able to absorb the Natural Energy or "Chakra" from Naruto's body without trouble. So, in the case of the Preta Path, yes it can absorb a natural lightning attack.

Wrong. Kirin rips through Preta Path. I don't know who told you chakra=energy but it sure wasn't this manga, nor is Natural Energy called Natural Chakra, pretty sure you just made that up.

Preta Path absorbed Senjutsu chakra, which is made up of Natural Energy (No such thing as Natural chakra) Physical and Spiritual Energies.

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Preta Path can't and has never absorbed raw natural energy. Preta Path was stated to absorb chakra. Nature Energy is not chakra, its energy, big difference. There is no chakra in Kirin for Preta to absorb so it gets fried.

 

[Bogard]

Kakashi didn't cut shit. Lighting hits the ground in the fraction of a second. Kakashi isn't taking out his Sharingan, creating Raikiri and moving fast enough to cut it.

We are in a manga. Real life logic doesn't apply here. It's not as if we've not already seen plenty of ninjas reacting during a lightning strike(Madara talking shit while using Susanoo to protect himself while the lightning was in process to hit the ground, same goes for Kakashi and his kamui):

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[Itachi Solos All]

My argument is correct.
Kakashi is too slow to even track lightning as it strikes.
He is too slow to move to cut it
Kirin can obliterate a mountain, Raikiri makes holes. Clearly, the force of Kirin clashing with a Raikiri would blow the Raikiri and its user away.

The manga disagrees.Incase you haven't noticed,real life logic does not always apply to the manga.

 

[Avinash012]

I aprcate ur logic,however u forgot that Lightng is one of the Basic elements and Nagato can obsorbe any ninjutsu means that he can obsorbe Basic elements as weel since most of ninjutsu are made up of thire nature........pain obsorbed rasenshuriken (chakra + Nature) and also he can suck chakra alone from enmy so he can possbly obsorbe all Natural elements ,Pain also obsorbed fire element during the attack on Konoha......

 

[Punk Hazard]

We are in a manga. Real life logic doesn't apply here. It's not as if we've not already seen plenty of ninjas reacting during a lightning strike(Madara talking shit while using Susanoo to protect himself while the lightning was in process to hit the ground, same goes for Kakashi and his kamui):

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You'd be correct except Zetsu confirmed that Lightning in the Narutoverse strikes in the fraction of a second, meaning the logic applies.

In the panels you posted, those were flashes of lightning, meaning they weren't being aimed at Kakashi or Madara, so that's a shit argument.

 

[KidGamer65]

We are in a manga. Real life logic doesn't apply here. It's not as if we've not already seen plenty of ninjas reacting during a lightning strike(Madara talking shit while using Susanoo to protect himself while the lightning was in process to hit the ground, same goes for Kakashi and his kamui):

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Reacting during a lightning storm is not the same as reacting to lightning coming at you. You say real life logic doesn't apply here but Sasuke was sure Itachi couldn't dodge Kirin as zetsu stated, it hits the ground in 1/1000th of a second. If these Shinobi really reacted to lightning then that means any fodder would be able to react to BM Naruto's Shunshin, unless you think its faster than lightning, which I doubt.

 

[Thundercles]

]Chakra isn't energy. Chakra is a mixture of two types of energies, spiritual and physical. [/B]Lightning is electrical energy, so it isn't being absorbed. Zetsu also mentioned Kirin is something that can't be done with chakra alone. If chakra and energy are one, then Kirin would be impossible.

The reason Preta was able to absorb the Narure Energy from Naruto's body is because it was melded to his chakra. The Nature Energy just flowed with the chakra.

Chakra isn't energy, but it is a combination of energies? Sounds like it is energy. And lighting is natural energy.

Are you mad that Sasuke can force thunder clouds through his amaterasu? Lol
Poor Nagato, gets obliterated in an instant. Lol

Sasuke can force thunder clouds through his amaterasu? What? Explain this nonsense.