I have a question about ps3
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My argument on which you reply this statement has yet to involve the Wii, and has never mentioned anything about the success, merely the price:hardware comparison.You say my first paragraph does not relate to the subject at all...how doesn't it?You were referring to how the PS3 is ''superior'' because of its capabilities.I was stating that the most inferior console-the wii sells better than the PS3 so it really makes no difference.So why you tried to pick that apart I really don't know
The PS3 may have had it's errors (I hear it for the first time actually, I know quite some people with consoles and have yet to hear one having this error). So I take they weren't nearly as common as the XBox's RROD.
With 'quality over quantity' I rather meant: Having 1 PS3 sounds a lot more appealing than having an XBox 360, it's newer generation, and the generation after that.
It's an extra feature, for this you will need to either install it, or buy the most expensive version (hence the availability of WLAN on your XBox). The PS3 however, has it on all editions (except the 20 GB).
That's unnecessary, we're the ones discussing here and if anybody feels the urge to join in, the level of intellect required for our discussion should not be lowered in order to keep the discussion going in the regular direction. If we let other people not capable of discussing join in, it'll turn this thread into a big rant, causing the moderators to close a topic again.
Hence the successful investment.
Microsoft has proven to be way more out for money than Sony and Nintendo combined. Examples are Windows Vista, which is a patched up Alpha version of Windows 7.
No, it actually sums up how big of an audience it can cover. Till the day of today, PS2 games are still actively developed. It indicates that they care more for their clients than Microsoft, which is again proven by their paid service. Microsoft needs you to pay for everything.
That doesn't rule out the fact that it would require a very high resolution camera, which are expensive.And NATAL won't be as expensive as you think
Also, on a side note, XBox fans should stop moaning about how overused the RROD argument is. The argument about PS3 having a small selection of games is just as irrelevant. As far as I can remember, it takes longer to build a Lamborghini by hand than it does to build a Mini Cooper on the factory line.
We could debate this all day,but when it comes down to it its a matter of opinion.Whether it be biased or not.Its all about personal gaming experience and the needs and wants of the gamer.This,as mentioned earlier is where the target market comes into place.But it depends upon who they are aiming it at.I mean I know people who still find playing on the N64 and Gamecube more enjoyable than playing Xbox 360 & PS3 weirdly enough.Its good to see someone who has the intellectual ability to hold a debate rather than it turn into a arguement for once.As I work in I.T. and have had several consoles since I was a kid in america and then moving to the UK, I have been able to notice the difference between consoles and their developments for e.g. america having sega cd,whereas UK having sega megadrive,america having sega gamegear whereas it wasn't that popular in the UK.Advancement in technology will always be something that catches my eye and be of interest.I do enjoy a good debate but as I say this will keep going on and on because of our differs in opinion neither of us will be swayed by eithers arguementitive case.So we shall have to agree to disagree i'm afraid.
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I don't like to involve the word biased here. It seems we both have experiences with multiple consoles, so it wouldn't be entirely applicable here. People that argue in a biased manner wouldn't get a long answer from me, or entirely none. They're not worth discussing with.
Don't get me wrong about the subject though, I don't hate any console, yet I do have a slight preference for Sony. What drives me most in this conversation is the disappointment in game developers for Sony. It's as if an elder lady would buy a Hummer for groceries. People want to see the product they made at it's best, and currently it's not going to happen for Sony since they made a machine that's way ahead of it's time (exactly like the DreamCast). The PS3 is a marvelous machine, just less supported than what we're used to.
Also, I'll comply in your attempt to end the conversation, but not without having you invited for a certain secret club I made. It's for people that are capable of, oh well, you know. I don't want to shout it out here since the audience which the club is not targeted at might become interested as well.
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if the xbox sells more and the ps3 is better than its quality over quantity since the ps3 is our main topic the first adjective "quality" is the one its being modified by thus quantiy for 360/natal/elite w.e.
back to your business schooling you should have known that obviously they are gonna produce a new fully developed system when the current one becomes obsolite(spelling may be wrong)
this is a package deal for people who dont want to play just ps3 games just like we know, sony knows that thier developers are not on par with microsoft and its only a feature on some of the consoles (i cant say which ones at the moment as that is not a feature on mine)
the price being extortionate is not the problem the marketing stategy is whats extortionate selling defective models in mass, making slow improvements, these are way more extortionate than the price will beAnd NATAL won't be as expensive as you think
and since you studied business i figure its safe to assume that you have picked up on this marketing trategy so you know should that microsoft is just milking its customers who dont realize they are buying unfinished prototypes t the elite and the natal have probaly been in development for a while but microsoft decided to make a profit off the ones that arent as good because they, as chavez has already said they are about quanity over quality thats why xbox live is 50 bucks a year and theres a 1-2 and a 1/2 second lag on gams that allow 2 or more people (and i have a 360 so im not just pointlessly blasting it) but the 360 is a better constucted system
sony didnt bullshit us like microsoft instead they gave us a finished product instead of selling us the scraps
the parts of your arguement that i did not post are the sections i agree with
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Deidara...
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i apologize for not reading the entire thread before posting my response
@ devlin and chavez very well spoken / (well typed) i commend you guys for not being biased and not getting mad when you guys disagreed i think intelligent debate is a good thing
and devlin it was nice of you to simplify your analysis but if people dont understand its their problem as you are talking to chavez who i am sure would have understood
@ devlin and chavez very well spoken / (well typed) i commend you guys for not being biased and not getting mad when you guys disagreed i think intelligent debate is a good thing
and devlin it was nice of you to simplify your analysis but if people dont understand its their problem as you are talking to chavez who i am sure would have understood
Umm its a great debate indeed , since they are talking without arguing.
Now i will post my opinion :
well i guess the 360 does sell more because it as more games and it's cheaper but still i prefer the ps3 wich mite not have yet overall good games out there (with only a phew excepecion's) but as greater capacity for the future like the new games that are coming next year (ex: God of War 3, MAG , among thievs ) which are quite good (in my view) and that i think many other's will follow. but still in terms of quality i would say xbox isnt bad at all and wii is just fun.
now for the online part :
well i guess ps3 wins here thanks to being free while xbox's is paid.
movement controller's:
well ps3 as eye toy and the still in development controller(looks like a microphone)
but i do respect each persons choice
Now i will post my opinion :
well i guess the 360 does sell more because it as more games and it's cheaper but still i prefer the ps3 wich mite not have yet overall good games out there (with only a phew excepecion's) but as greater capacity for the future like the new games that are coming next year (ex: God of War 3, MAG , among thievs ) which are quite good (in my view) and that i think many other's will follow. but still in terms of quality i would say xbox isnt bad at all and wii is just fun.
now for the online part :
well i guess ps3 wins here thanks to being free while xbox's is paid.
movement controller's:
well ps3 as eye toy and the still in development controller(looks like a microphone)
but i do respect each persons choice
T_T people ignored my original post...
XD
anyways...If the PS3 had a better variety of good games and was 50-100 dollars cheaper then it is now I would probably have both a 360 Elite and a PS3. But untill that happens, which I don't think will happen any time soon, I'll stick with my Elite, especially considering the majority of the games and game series i play, Forza Motorsports, Halo, Left4Dead and Rainbow Six: Vegas, just to name a few, are on the 360.
And as for the online portion of the battle, since i don't have any experience with the Playsation Network I can't really pass a judgement on it. I will say when I'm at home or my house at school, the lag issue isn't horrible(unless someone is downloading and forgot to mention it XD). as for paying for Xbox Live Gold, I really don't mind paying for the service especially.
For me, Blu-Ray isn't a big deal with me because that means I have to spend more money to get a movie. Now if Sony would lower the price of the PS3 or i could find a barely used on on the cheap side I would think about investing in Blu-Ray DVD, especially Iron Man and The Dark Knight XD...
Now I saw someone had mention the Nintendo Wii, while it is a fun system to play with friends, I have the some of the same problems with the Wii that I have with the PS3....mainly the lack of good 3rd party games. and thats all i'll say on the Wii.
As for Project Natal, I don't think we will see a marketable version of Natal for a couple more years considering there are a lot of issues that they need to work on. the first is going to be the price, like Chavez mentioned. The combination of the software and hardware needed to make the system work properly is going to be high. During E3, they mentioned that the system would have facial and vocal recognition abilities. which means its gonna need a decent camera, a decent microphone and the software to run those system. Its also going to need the software to recognize what the gamer is doing and translate it into the actions and movements on screen. While I do find the concept interesting and would like to experience it, i still think i'll prefer the standard controller for my games.
Lets see, what else do I have to say about this...*thinks to myself*I mention ed the cost and games issues, online community, bluray, wii, project natal...is there anything else......*in a Jeremy Clarkson voice* why yes there is XD
oh yeah...I agree with Chavez that the PS3 has the ability to last up to 20 years on the market without needing too many upgrades. thats one of the reason where I look at the 400-500 dollar price tag and say to myself..yeah i could see not having to upgrade the console as often and only if they had more games I was interested in. And when Chavez quoted the specs of the PS3(which i honestly have never looked at before reading this thread and the debate he had with devlin) I can say that the PS3 has A LOT more potential then the Xbox 360.
and now i think i'll move onto my final thought on this discussion, and that is asthetics. for the Xbox 360, i think the matte black of the Elite is a much better look then the Glossy Black/Silver of the PS3. I also feel that the shape and design of the 360 is a lot more appealing because you can stand the system up if space is an issue or lay it flat. where as I don't think you can do that with the PS3, but I could be wrong. I like the subtle arcs on the sides of the 360 more then the arc of the PS3. As with the aesthetics of the console, i like the feel and look of the 360's controller, especially how the thumb sticks are laid out, which makes the controller much better for the FPS, which requires quick thumbs and trigger fingers. I also feel that its better for the racing games because of the "triggers". I believe that the thinner "trigger" allows me to better control the throttle of the cars which allows me to better control the cars in the games. As for the looks of the controller, the 360 feels more comfortable in my hand and looks like an evolution of the original S controller where the PS3 controller just looks like a PS2 controller with more features in it. I am glad that sony didn't go with the original concept for the controller because i would have died of laughter if they did that. I also like the fact that you can get the controllers in more then just one color. I have the black controller that came with the elite, the blue controller(which is my favorite) and the red controller. all three have custom LED mods (blue and black controllers have blue leds and the red controller has red leds..can put pictures up if you want to see them).
and finally i think i'm done XD wow i can't believe i wrote that much at 130 in the morning...
XD
anyways...If the PS3 had a better variety of good games and was 50-100 dollars cheaper then it is now I would probably have both a 360 Elite and a PS3. But untill that happens, which I don't think will happen any time soon, I'll stick with my Elite, especially considering the majority of the games and game series i play, Forza Motorsports, Halo, Left4Dead and Rainbow Six: Vegas, just to name a few, are on the 360.
And as for the online portion of the battle, since i don't have any experience with the Playsation Network I can't really pass a judgement on it. I will say when I'm at home or my house at school, the lag issue isn't horrible(unless someone is downloading and forgot to mention it XD). as for paying for Xbox Live Gold, I really don't mind paying for the service especially.
For me, Blu-Ray isn't a big deal with me because that means I have to spend more money to get a movie. Now if Sony would lower the price of the PS3 or i could find a barely used on on the cheap side I would think about investing in Blu-Ray DVD, especially Iron Man and The Dark Knight XD...
Now I saw someone had mention the Nintendo Wii, while it is a fun system to play with friends, I have the some of the same problems with the Wii that I have with the PS3....mainly the lack of good 3rd party games. and thats all i'll say on the Wii.
As for Project Natal, I don't think we will see a marketable version of Natal for a couple more years considering there are a lot of issues that they need to work on. the first is going to be the price, like Chavez mentioned. The combination of the software and hardware needed to make the system work properly is going to be high. During E3, they mentioned that the system would have facial and vocal recognition abilities. which means its gonna need a decent camera, a decent microphone and the software to run those system. Its also going to need the software to recognize what the gamer is doing and translate it into the actions and movements on screen. While I do find the concept interesting and would like to experience it, i still think i'll prefer the standard controller for my games.
Lets see, what else do I have to say about this...*thinks to myself*I mention ed the cost and games issues, online community, bluray, wii, project natal...is there anything else......*in a Jeremy Clarkson voice* why yes there is XD
oh yeah...I agree with Chavez that the PS3 has the ability to last up to 20 years on the market without needing too many upgrades. thats one of the reason where I look at the 400-500 dollar price tag and say to myself..yeah i could see not having to upgrade the console as often and only if they had more games I was interested in. And when Chavez quoted the specs of the PS3(which i honestly have never looked at before reading this thread and the debate he had with devlin) I can say that the PS3 has A LOT more potential then the Xbox 360.
and now i think i'll move onto my final thought on this discussion, and that is asthetics. for the Xbox 360, i think the matte black of the Elite is a much better look then the Glossy Black/Silver of the PS3. I also feel that the shape and design of the 360 is a lot more appealing because you can stand the system up if space is an issue or lay it flat. where as I don't think you can do that with the PS3, but I could be wrong. I like the subtle arcs on the sides of the 360 more then the arc of the PS3. As with the aesthetics of the console, i like the feel and look of the 360's controller, especially how the thumb sticks are laid out, which makes the controller much better for the FPS, which requires quick thumbs and trigger fingers. I also feel that its better for the racing games because of the "triggers". I believe that the thinner "trigger" allows me to better control the throttle of the cars which allows me to better control the cars in the games. As for the looks of the controller, the 360 feels more comfortable in my hand and looks like an evolution of the original S controller where the PS3 controller just looks like a PS2 controller with more features in it. I am glad that sony didn't go with the original concept for the controller because i would have died of laughter if they did that. I also like the fact that you can get the controllers in more then just one color. I have the black controller that came with the elite, the blue controller(which is my favorite) and the red controller. all three have custom LED mods (blue and black controllers have blue leds and the red controller has red leds..can put pictures up if you want to see them).
and finally i think i'm done XD wow i can't believe i wrote that much at 130 in the morning...
well said,
but i still prefer the PS3 than the Xbox 360 why ? cuz of :
1- the graphics
2- the legendary PS3 games, the classics like MGS, the up coming square enixs games, and much more.....
personaly i think the reason there isn't that many PS3 Games cuz of the high quality it has, the PS3 game graphics.....they make me cry ! xP
and lately the Xbox 360 is buying all the games that are soon to come why ?
i think cuz it needs more users !!
take MGS Rising for example Microsoft bought it cuz of the huge MGS fans and i dont think
its graphics are gonna be high quality like MGS4 on the PS3 (if you want more info on MGS Rising check this thread
You must be registered for see links
xP ).and for anyone that doesn't know what to buy PS3 or Xbox 360 ?!
i say PS3 just wait for it and the upcoming games and you'll see that the PS3 is better than the Xbox !
that's all i have to say =D
Peace out ! hehe !
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Omg they already planning to make a new xbox..I just bought the 360 six months ago...:'(..I shudve bought ps3 in the 1st place.. Anyway imo id rather hv both consoles(ps3 and xbox)they hv different games officially made for each.And yes of course ps3 has better specs,comparison are visible,2010 onwards a lot of great games will come out for ps3.Cant wait for my ps3!!Hopefully after 3 months T_T..
Too me automobiles and games consules make things easier to understand. The PS3 is like the Lamborghini of consules. It's very Nice, but it costs a lot. The Wii is like a Toyota or Honda Accord, because it's affordable and you have a greater number of the selection. Xbox360 is somewhere between the two, the perfect spot because it has enough great games, affordable, yet it doesn't lack qualitiy. That's why I think the Xbox360 and Wii are obviously beatting PS3.
(The answer to the question here, is it all comes down to marketing.) A lot of the Games now days are not exclusives, which means there not made by the companies making the consules. It just economically better. Private companies can make the games and sell it to more than one system and therefore make more money. And a consule like the PS3, they don't have to sell there games to them if they know they can make more money elsewhere.
I bought a PS3 because I like God of War, and I'd need a PS3 consule in order to play God of War 3 because GOW is exclusive to Sony.
The price is scarying the buyers away. They should have made it cheaper from the beginning than only starting now. Even thought there making it cheaper its just too late....
(The answer to the question here, is it all comes down to marketing.) A lot of the Games now days are not exclusives, which means there not made by the companies making the consules. It just economically better. Private companies can make the games and sell it to more than one system and therefore make more money. And a consule like the PS3, they don't have to sell there games to them if they know they can make more money elsewhere.
I bought a PS3 because I like God of War, and I'd need a PS3 consule in order to play God of War 3 because GOW is exclusive to Sony.
The price is scarying the buyers away. They should have made it cheaper from the beginning than only starting now. Even thought there making it cheaper its just too late....