The biggest Misconception on NB since 2012, itachi cant beat dsm kabuto

[Baka Sennin]

that's a nice compilation but I think you're being very selective. It's true that Kakashi wasn't able to keep track of Itachi's handseals, that said he was able to keep track and counter Itachi's moves very well, forcing Itachi to pull out the mangekyou and use something which kakashi has no counter of.

a clone bunshin wouldnt harm kabuto much, he is very durable like orochimaru. likewise, stabbing, katon, amaterasu and genjutsu would not work. that leaves just the totsuka sword and izanami from itachi's arsenal.

now you said that he could perform a totsuka blitz with his speed. yes, itachi is very speedy. however, I haven't seen anyone run with susanoo yet, only madara's has been shown to have legs and use them. the point of susanoo is not to be a mobile warrior but as an absolute defense and offense. furthermore, the totsuka sword needs to pierce and seal, a lengthy process. just cutting would not seal. with kabuto's sage mode sensing it's probably impossible, the totsuka sword has sealed two stationary characters incapable of evasion.

as to izanami, it's a lengthy jutsu, and kabuto has variour tools to force itachi to use susanoo (muke tensei, kimimaro's techniques etc), and pull him out of it (that dragon light thing). his ability to get out of the snake's mouth has already blitzed itachi badly once and it can't be argued that he set that up intentionally.

btw the reason itachi beat white rage was probably because he was an edo tensei, as far as I know they do not feel pain.

i'm not saying itachi can't win, but he has a very poor chance of doing so, less than 20% for sure. and that's with edo tensei and without kabuto having any edos. also, izanami is the biggest asspull in the series, created solely to elevate itachi and defeat kabuto. izanagi required senju and uchiha dna yet its twin izanami does not. and how can izanami have been created to counter izanagi when the only two persons to possess senju dna were madara and obito?

 

[The Necromancer]

sigh.. he didnt lack perception, he simply went off of a earlier situation and decided to act out his best assumption, kabuto tried to go after sasuke earlier so to itachi there was nothing wrong with thinking he may try to pull the same stunt again, that one little mistake isnt hardly enough to discredit itachis perception abilities.

Including the fact that kabuto himself was shaky on deciding who to go after first, and only decided to attack itachi at the last second.

 

[Souji]

Kabuto was playing with the Uchiha brothers as much as Itachi wasn't intending to kill him either. Remember he wanted both of them for his "experiments"

But you make good points. Itachi did have the advantage as an Edo though... no one can deny this. Had this been a living Itachi that battle would have been over, regardless of Izanami's usage or not.

 

[Optimistic]

So does this debate include Kabuto's edo summons?

Mangekyo Muslim/Senju style/Katsu all things/Gentle explosion/ Crystal chakra read the damn thread.

 

[Bogard]

sigh.. he didnt lack perception, he simply went off of a earlier situation and decided to act out his best assumption, kabuto tried to go after sasuke earlier so to itachi there was nothing wrong with thinking he may try to pull the same stunt again, that one little mistake isnt hardly enough to discredit itachis perception abilities.

Sigh.. trying to justify a failure in Itachi perceptive skills? No one discredited Itachi overall perceptive skills here, but you have to admit he failed in that particular moment to read Kabuto's. It's that simple. Whether it's one little mistake like you say or not, it's still a mistake

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

I mentioned this all before the other day but it fits perfectly with a battle with itachi as well

DSM Kabuto had the ability to amass way more chakra then itachi could ever hope to have as juugo's dna allows him to passively take in nature energy meaning his chakra pool is infinite as long as he wants it too

His speed and reflexes were so great he could dodge an amaterasu arrow point blank in the cave.
suigetsu's dna (Making psychical attacks pointless and ineffective)makes it impossible to harm him and even if you somehow did kairn dna would heal him right away.
He can straight up manipulate the earth making his battle range any range.

He knows everything about the sharingan (except izanami) meaning there would be no surprises.
If karins dna did not somehow heal him in time he can always use his yin healing and with infinite passive mature energy he can do this all day.
He can slither and burst into a thousand snakes and seep into the earth and pop up wherever he wants making him almost impossible to find.(This will make itachi have to consider when the time is appropriate to attack or he would just wind up wasting chakra and time on futile attacks)

He is immune to almost every poison as he is the one who made perfromed surgeory on sasuke to make him the same way.
He is immune to all sound techniques (im looking at you toad genjustu) and all visual genjustu making his sharingan just about useless for genjustu and for copying justu since any of the above things i mentioned are things he intergrated and not succeptable to copying.


Lets not forget about edo tensei that adds its own problems by summoning countless ninja of the past with unlimited chakra and crazy techniques of their own.


Oh and the sound 5 dna
kimmiaro would allow him to attack and defend at the same time.
Itachi already was helpless in the face of tayuya's sound genjustu
Jirobo's earth justu would allow him to absorb his chakra and combine that with his ability to manipulate the earth he could make that dome appear at anytime to trap him.

Kidomaru's web could force him in a corner slowly over time making the overall battle arena closed off and smaller giving itachi little room to retreat to a safe distance to catch his breathe or think of a plan forcing him to act on his feet at all times.

Sakon'd dna could let him split apart effectively creating two dsm kabuto's normally the power would be split,but since he can take in as much nature energy as he wants the two dsm kabuto's could get stronger over time.

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MOST IMPORTANTLY
This is why izanami was implemented kabuto was indeed stronger then most people at that time.
Even with iznami it was only effective because itachi could not die and therefore was able to take the blows to set the genjustu in the first place.
Under normal cicumstances as stated in the manga it is not suitable for battle.


In the end you can say itachi won that is true but,in a very situated and convoluted way.

 

[Made in Heaven]

sigh.. and thats how i know you didnt read the thread, itachi's prime goal was to get kabuto into izanami which i explained in the beginning of the thread, he needed to get loops in order to form izanami. The first recording of izanami starts when kabuto first stabbed itachi, like i said itachi could had been intentionally getting hit to form the loops needed for izanami.

And he could have also been getting hit unintrentionally

 

[The Necromancer]

No doubt his Mangekyō-wielding, disease-ridden body was assisted by the Edo Tensei. Sasuke benefits from absolute health and an Eternal Mangekyō, and we saw how helpless he was once the technique was employed. Regardless, the Jutsu still left Itachi immobilized for a period of time.

I asked you about Mugen Onsa. You didn't even mention it. You know, the technique both Sasuke and Itachi were caught in. The one which forced the latter to seek external help.

The fact that both itachi and sasuke were able to move their bodes to turn their heads, speak, and activate genjutsu means that they had partial control of their body, and seeing as how all it took shikamaru to break out was a broken finger, itachi should have no problem escaping.

 

[Made in Heaven]

This is pathetic...I can't believe people actually compare Itachi to Kabuto. That fight was 2 vs 1....not to mention Kabuto didn't use a single edo summon...not to mention, had it not been for edo tensei, Itachi would have trouble using his eyes

 

[Prince Charles]

No doubt his Mangekyō-wielding, disease-ridden body was assisted by the Edo Tensei. Sasuke benefits from absolute health and an Eternal Mangekyō, and we saw what a sticky situation he was left in. Regardless, the technique still left Itachi immobilized for a period of time.

I asked you about Mugen Onsa. You didn't even mention it. You know, the technique both Sasuke and Itachi were caught in. The one which forced the latter to seek external help.

his disease would hardly have a effect not too mention dont confuse the itachi fighting sasuke being near blind in this fight, this is a itachi that doesnt have such drastic symptoms of his disease, Even in his disease blind state agains sasuke he still managed to evade 2 katon attacks from sasuke with a leg injury nearly inches from him.

The flute genjutsu was situational because both were caught in to so it obviously common sense for both of them to use their sharigan on each other to get them out of it, if itachi were alone possibly he could had reverted the jutsu back on kabuto sort of how he re casted kurenais jutsu on her self back in part one.

are you also forgetting sound genjutsu is not instant as it showns in the page and against ma and pa when they tried to put the pains in a sound genjutsu it took a few moments to have effect, in those moments itachi can easily form a crow clone or explosive clone to distract kabuto.

 

[Eclipsingon]

People often forget itachi didnt want to kill kabuto like pein and naruto pein could have killed him if he wanted to

 

[Prince Charles]

This is pathetic...I can't believe people actually compare Itachi to Kabuto. That fight was 2 vs 1....not to mention Kabuto didn't use a single edo summon...not to mention, had it not been for edo tensei, Itachi would have trouble using his eyes

sigh.. this is excluding edo tensei obviously,

had it not been for edo tensei, Itachi would have trouble using his eyes

thats funny because he managed to keep MS for how many years? which proves he has amazing chakra control.

2 vs 1 hardly makes a difference, itachi's action mainly had most of the impact on kabuto

 

[OnPoint]

The fact that both itachi and sasuke were able to move their bodes to turn their heads, speak, and activate genjutsu means that they had partial control of their body, and seeing as how all it took shikamaru to break out was a broken finger, itachi should have no problem escaping.

And yet, he sought out the aid of his brother. They couldn't move their bodies, hence why Kabuto moved in for the kill. If the feat could've been accomplished individually, neither of them would've needed to put themselves at risk in the first place.

Shikamaru didn't encounter the Jutsu when it was amplified by Sennin Mode.

 

[Prince Charles]

The fact that both itachi and sasuke were able to move their bodes to turn their heads, speak, and activate genjutsu means that they had partial control of their body, and seeing as how all it took shikamaru to break out was a broken finger, itachi should have no problem escaping.

^^^ this guy right here.

thanks for the support.

 

[Bogard]

that's a nice compilation but I think you're being very selective. It's true that Kakashi wasn't able to keep track of Itachi's handseals, that said he was able to keep track and counter Itachi's moves very well, forcing Itachi to pull out the mangekyou and use something which kakashi has no counter of.

a clone bunshin wouldnt harm kabuto much, he is very durable like orochimaru. likewise, stabbing, katon, amaterasu and genjutsu would not work. that leaves just the totsuka sword and izanami from itachi's arsenal.

now you said that he could perform a totsuka blitz with his speed. yes, itachi is very speedy. however, I haven't seen anyone run with susanoo yet, only madara's has been shown to have legs and use them. the point of susanoo is not to be a mobile warrior but as an absolute defense and offense. furthermore, the totsuka sword needs to pierce and seal, a lengthy process. just cutting would not seal. with kabuto's sage mode sensing it's probably impossible, the totsuka sword has sealed two stationary characters incapable of evasion.

as to izanami, it's a lengthy jutsu, and kabuto has variour tools to force itachi to use susanoo (muke tensei, kimimaro's techniques etc), and pull him out of it (that dragon light thing). his ability to get out of the snake's mouth has already blitzed itachi badly once and it can't be argued that he set that up intentionally.

btw the reason itachi beat white rage was probably because he was an edo tensei, as far as I know they do not feel pain.

i'm not saying itachi can't win, but he has a very poor chance of doing so, less than 20% for sure. and that's with edo tensei and without kabuto having any edos. also, izanami is the biggest asspull in the series, created solely to elevate itachi and defeat kabuto. izanagi required senju and uchiha dna yet its twin izanami does not. and how can izanami have been created to counter izanagi when the only two persons to possess senju dna were madara and obito?

Funny how people left this post out. I completely agree with this U_U

 

[King Of Crows]

sigh.. this is excluding edo tensei obviously,

had it not been for edo tensei, Itachi would have trouble using his eyes

thats funny because he managed to keep MS for how many years? which proves he has amazing chakra control.

2 vs 1 hardly makes a difference, itachi's action mainly had most of the impact on kabuto

Proof of his chakra control is the fact that Sasuke ran out of chakra before Itachi, in their fight. Itachi supposedly has lower than average chakra whilst Sasuke can be considered to have more than average.

 

[Prince Charles]

Proof of his chakra control is the fact that Sasuke ran out of chakra before Itachi, in their fight. Itachi supposedly has lower than average chakra whilst Sasuke can be considered to have more than average.

exactly, and @ bogard i will reply to baka sennin

 

[The Necromancer]

And yet, he sought out the aid of his brother. They couldn't move their bodies, hence why Kabuto moved in for the kill. If the feat could've been accomplished individually, neither of them would've needed to put themselves at risk in the first place.

Shikamaru didn't encounter the Jutsu when it was amplified by Sennin Mode.

The entire fight was to emphasize sasuke and itachi's new teamwork and trust. They didn't both need to use amaterasu together, but they did because kishi wanted to show us the uchiha brothers in action together. Just because they broke out together, doesn't mean they couldn't individually. The same goes for Naruto, Bee, and itachi vs. Chibaku tensei. Itachi could have shot Magatamas like a machine gun due to his edo body, but instead he decided to teach naruto a little something and use teamwork rather than do it all himself.

OT, maybe they could, maybe they couldn't. There's no absolute proof on either side.

 

[Made in Heaven]

sigh.. this is excluding edo tensei obviously,

had it not been for edo tensei, Itachi would have trouble using his eyes

thats funny because he managed to keep MS for how many years? which proves he has amazing chakra control.

2 vs 1 hardly makes a difference, itachi's action mainly had most of the impact on kabuto

Itachi was about to go blind at the end of his life. Having an edo body basically granted him EMS

 

[King Of Crows]

Itachi was about to go blind at the end of his life. Having an edo body basically granted him EMS

Would Edo Tensei restore his vision perfectly ? Nagato was brought back, and he still wasn't able to walk.