Reasons why Itachi may be roughly equal to Nagato

[enditallsin]

You're not taking into account all of nagato's abilities..

 

[AlphaScythian]

Nagato can beat Itachi with only 3 paths at most. You can pick.
Animal path : Will keep Itachi busy, he will be forced to use Amaterasu, costing him a huge chakra depletion further reducing his stamina. Nagato can stay on his giant bird to stay away from totsuka.

Only cerberus requires amaterasu, other can be owned by susanoo easily.

Preta Path : Absorb all of Itachi's techniques. Yata and Susanoo are made of chakra, Nagato can simply absorb it.

Can only do that at close range. Doesnt have enough absorb rate to suck whole susanoo fast. Falls under genjutsu and gets owned.

Asura Path: Projectiles, chakra beams, physical strength, tai jutsu strong enough to crush Jiraiya's throat and rip his arm off in SM. Nagato can keep spamming rockets, chakra beam to further make Itachi hold his Susanoo up

Has nothing on susanoo. Crushing jiraya throat isnt feat to mess with susanoo.

Deva Path : Pull Itachi out of Susanoo, if he manages to get close and try to hit him with Totsuka or Amaterasu, he can use Shinra tensei. Also Itachi has NO counter to Chibaku tensei.

Counter to chibaku tensei = kill the user. Counter to deva path is genjutsu with amaterasu or totsuka which can reach 50 meters or so.

 

[KidGamer65]

The rock's path, collided with the path Naruto was being pulled. That's impossible if Bansho tenin is just Kakashi's observation were it can only pull things towards away from him. So there's more to it than that, that's why that point is incorrect.

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Wrong. Naruto and the bolder are both coming towards Nagato the epicenter. Obviously the boulder isn't going to land right at Nagato's exact spot, just like Madara's meteor didn't crash directly into him when he used BT.

The boulder was clearly pulled to Nagato's area at the same time Naruto was so don't act like this conflicts with Kakashi's point when it doesn't. Just like how Minato doesn't teleport directly to where his Kunai are when he uses FTG.

The point is that he can isolate his targets gravity. Which the manga has supported.

No, it hasn't.

Once again you seem to think bansho tenin is only limited to push or pull towards him but that is not the case. If Nagato was the centre of gravity of the push and pull it would be impossible to make Naruto and a boulder collide so he clearly is not limited to just that. Where is the evidence on that bansho tenin can not go through susanoo, gravity is not tanagible , susanoo is not immune to gravity's effects.If he can see the target he can use bansho tenin.

Nope. Read above.

Bansho Tennin pulls things towards Nagato making him the epicenter of the attractive force. Gravity being tangible doesn't have anything to do with thisas Nagato isn't shooting a wave of gravity around Itachi in his Susanoo and using it to rip him out. The attractive force is around him and he uses it to pull whatever he wants towards him thus the attractive force will pull Susanoo with the user inside of it towards Nagato. Simple. As. That.

Also the fact to Madara used bansho tenin through susanoo makes that null.

Comical. You don't even know how the jutsu works. Go re-read the manga or read Naruto wiki before debating about BT.

Madara used BT with his Susanoo so him and his Susanoo are the epicenter of the attractive force meaning the meteor comes towards them. That in no way equals someone being able to be pulled out of their Susanoo at all.

It's not fanfiction as i've clearly showed you that Bansho tennin isn't restricted to push and pull. So get of your high horse and stop calling things you don't agree with fan fiction even though it's been shown otherwise.

BT makes Nagato the epicenter of the things he pulls towards him. Manga fact.

Anything else=Fanfiction.

 

[Thundercles]

Refferred to both? Maybe in ur case. Pain= 6 dead puppets, Nagato separate being. Depending on the name we know the difference, get it already.Nagato has weakness to genjutsu itachi doesnt. Nagato only has 4 OP moves

What weakness to genjutsu? Prove this. And no, Multi-headed Dog, CT, ST, BT, Human Path, Preta Path, Nakara Path, Aura Path, so on. The power to use all elements to include Yin/Yang Release. Also, Gedo mazo and dragon serpent soul tech. I can go on if you'd like.

 

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

Nagato is a nightmare of a match up for Itachi especially with Nagato's huge chakra reserves and Itachi's low chakra reserves. Also Nagato has summonings and Gedo Mazo to keep Itachi busy before using Chibaku Tensei or Chou Shinra tensei. Also Preta path leaves Katons useless

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and if Itachi gets too close Bansho Tenin then Naraka/Human Path to finish him.

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[Midday]

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Wrong. Naruto and the bolder are both coming towards Nagato the epicenter. Obviously the boulder isn't going to land right at Nagato's exact spot, just like Madara's meteor didn't crash directly into him when he used BT.

The boulder was clearly pulled to Nagato's area at the same time Naruto was so don't act like this conflicts with Kakashi's point when it doesn't. Just like how Minato doesn't teleport directly to where his Kunai are when he uses FTG.






No, it hasn't.






Nope. Read above.

Bansho Tennin pulls things towards Nagato making him the epicenter of the attractive force. Gravity being tangible doesn't have anything to do with thisas Nagato isn't shooting a wave of gravity around Itachi in his Susanoo and using it to rip him out. The attractive force is around him and he uses it to pull whatever he wants towards him thus the attractive force will pull Susanoo with the user inside of it towards Nagato. Simple. As. That.




Comical. You don't even know how the jutsu works. Go re-read the manga or read Naruto wiki before debating about BT.

Madara used BT with his Susanoo so him and his Susanoo are the epicenter of the attractive force meaning the meteor comes towards them. That in no way equals someone being able to be pulled out of their Susanoo at all.



BT makes Nagato the epicenter of the things he pulls towards him. Manga fact.

Anything else=Fanfiction.

Nagato is clearly not the epicenter of a push and pull if the bolder wasn't moving towards him, do you even know what it means because your description isn't matching the defintion. The boulder it was moving towards Naruto's path in front of him not to him. It's more than a push and pull motion, he's the epicenter but he can move his target around him as well. Your problem is you can't get your head around that scan.

 

[ballerjordan]

Again, Itachi has zero stamina. He can only hold his Susanoo for up to 2-3 minutes

Nagato has many different summons to take care of Itachi forcing him to use Susanoo. He will use Amaterasu on Cerberus and then forced to deal with the other summons, by then Nagato is already preparing a Chibaku tensei

Genjutsu won't work on Nagato, he can summon his paths to distrupt his chakra flow.

After a good 2-3 minutes, Itachi will already be on his knee's.

A fair fight would be if Nagato can only use 2 Paths. That would be a close fight

 

[Lilt]

This wasn't a versus thread, so thanks to whichever moderator put it in here to further confuse people.

So whatever, let's argue about their fight or how they counter one another's abilities. I guess.

 

[KidGamer65]

Nagato is clearly not the epicenter do you even know what it means because your description isn't matching the defintion. The boulder it was moving towards Naruto's pathin front of him not to him, which does not make him the epicenter. Your problem is you can't get your head around that scan.

He clearly moved the boulder around him, not just being limited to push and pull.

Once again. Manga disagrees with you.

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The boulder came right toward him just like Naruto was. Stop acting like it has to be directly towards his exact location when manga disagrees.

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Did the meteor come straight for Madara? Obviously not.

We've already been given an explanation for how Bansho Teninn (Divine Attractor) works. You can post all the manga scans you like and continue to misinterpret them, but it doesn't change the fact that BT pulls things towards Nagato.

 

[ballerjordan]

No need to argue.

Nagato >>>>> Itachi

 

[Midday]

Once again. Manga disagrees with you.

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The boulder came right toward him just like Naruto was. Stop acting like it has to be directly towards his exact location when manga disagrees.

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Did the meteor come straight for Madara? Obviously not.

We've already been given an explanation for how Bansho Teninn (Divine Attractor) works. You can post all the manga scans you like and continue to misinterpret them, but it doesn't change the fact that BT pulls things towards Nagato.

That page says he pushes and pulls with him at the centre, so from kakashi's observation he has to be the centre not anything around him, so your own page disagreed with you.

The meteor obviously didn't land just infront of him or he wouldn't have been crushed. That page shows very little of the meteor and the direction it's coming in, not to mention Onoki changing it's course.

You're the only one who can't understand the simple scan of Nagato not being restricted to only a push and pull with him as the centre. It's clear as day, Naruto and the rock can not collide if what you keep on trying to say is true, which it isn't. He can also move things around him with BT as the page clearly showed.

 

[KidGamer65]

That page says he pushes and pulls with him at the centre, so from kakashi's observation he has to be the centre not anything around him, so your own page disagreed with you.

The meteor obviously didn't land just infront of him or he wouldn't have been crushed. That page shows very little of the meteor and the direction it's coming in, not to mention Onoki changing it's course.

You're the only one who can't understand the simple scan of Nagato not being restricted to only a push and pull with him as the centre. It's clear as day, Naruto and the rock can not collide if what you keep on trying to say is true, which it isn't. He can also move things around him with BT as the page clearly showed.

Nagato clearly was the center of the attractive force used to pull the meteor towards him. It not landing right on top of his head doesn't change the established effect of BT no matter how much you wish it did.

Onoki stopped it in mid air, he never changed its course. The fact that meteor wasn't coming straight for Madara in the first place shows that you have no idea what you're talking about when you say Kakashi's explanation is wrong.

Manga has already put BT's effect down in writing.

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Naruto was pulled towards him and the rock was pulled towards him. Both coming from opposite directions to the same place, of course they are going to collide.

If you disagree, too damn bad. I'm not about to waste my time with a guy who disregards manga facts based on a flawed observation he made.

 

[Midday]

Nagato clearly was the center of the attractive force used to pull the meteor towards him. It not landing right on top of his head doesn't change the established effect of BT no matter how much you wish it did.

Onoki stopped it in mid air, he never changed its course. The fact that meteor wasn't coming straight for Madara in the first place shows that you have no idea what you're talking about when you say Kakashi's explanation is wrong.

Manga has already put BT's effect down in writing.

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Naruto was pulled towards him and the rock was pulled towards him. Both coming from opposite directions to the same place, of course they are going to collide.

If you disagree, too damn bad. I'm not about to waste my time with a guy who disregards manga facts based on a flawed observation he made.

If the rock was not going directly towards or away from him, he is not at the center of a push and pull motion. It's not hard.

Naruto was pulled towards him, the rock was pulled towards Naruto's path. If it was pulled towards him they would have met at Nagato not in front of him. The manga has just Kakashi's observation at the time, there's obviously a little more to the technique like we saw.

I wont be responding. You continuously deny what's in front of you're because it doesn't support your argument and frankly not worth my time.

 

[TheSages456]

itachi isnt on par with nagato. he would lose only because of moves like chibaku tensei though.

moves like bansho tenin wouldnt be a factor. the manga already told us that nagato is the center of the pull and push forces. using that solid manga evidence, bansho tenin wont even faze itachi or susano. no amount of fanboyism will ever change this.

 

[Midday]

itachi isnt on par with nagato. he would lose only because of moves like chibaku tensei though.

moves like bansho tenin wouldnt be a factor. the manga already told us that nagato is the center of the pull and push forces. using that solid manga evidence, bansho tenin wont even faze itachi or susano. no amount of fanboyism will ever change this.

There's no fanboyism there, it's clear as day that Nagato throwing the rock into Naruto's course was not a push or pull motion with him at the center. If it's possible to make something collide then it's equally possible to make two objects go in a separate direction.

 

[shelke]

There's no fanboyism there, it's clear as day that Nagato throwing the rock into Naruto's course was not a push or pull motion with him at the center. If it's possible to make something collide then it's equally possible to make two objects go in a separate direction.

Draw a circle then place a dot exactly at the centre. Now, draw as many lines as possible lines that lead to the circle's centre in a straight line from the edges. There would be (relevant) 360 degrees full circle - in other words, 360 lines - starting from N 0 or 360 Degree to this exact same point. I have no idea, how can you even dispute this.

 

[Midday]

Draw a circle then place a dot exactly at the centre. Now, draw as many lines as possible lines that lead to the circle's centre in a straight line from the edges. There would be (relevant) 360 degrees full circle - in other words, 360 lines - starting from N 0 or 360 Degree to this exact same point. I have no idea, how can you even dispute this.

My paint skills are lacking.

I'm am not denying basics, i'm denying that Nagato is restricted to just push and pull with him at the center which we clearly saw. If it was only push and pull with him at the center the only point of collision would be at Nagato not in front of him.

Push and pull means something can only go directly towards and away from at the center.

The image below is what happened. Rock is brown, Naruto yellow and Nagato red.

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If it was just push and pull he used the rock can not move in that motion. He held the rock with BT with him at the center and moved the rock round to collide with Naruto not used push or pull with him at the center.

 

[shelke]

I am pretty sure the trajectory you have drawn is a bit off here.

 

[Midday]

I am pretty sure the trajectory you have drawn is a bit off here.

It's paint don't expect much and I can't draw in 3d. The general idea still holds, which is that the rock was not going towards him.

 

[shelke]

Dude, it clearly was. As Kidgamer said, it doesn't have to land on his head. It's still being pulled towards him. The rock wasn't thrown in Naruto's path as you suggest. The image doesn't support this.