Reasons why Itachi may be roughly equal to Nagato

[6thpathsage]

Words from Itachi, Nagato, Kabuto, and Shikaku (in the think-tank of Alliance) about Itachi's power.

Not accepting it as his capability is silly IMO.

Try to read the manga in context you might understand it better. Not everything is literal.. Hype associates feats people have not even demonstrated if you take it literarily and not as a storywriters tool to build atmosphere.

An example: Look at the statement about the perfect susanoo

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Now look at this:

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Is hashirama a bijuu? NO but he had power comparable and even surpassing this.

Take the pages you've posted as exaggeration to increase the impact of the statements. The statements were not made considering all evidence but out of fear and the Madara one ^^ was out of pride, its not a literal statement.

 

[Midday]

They're really not that close in strength. One had help to kill the Uchiha clan in their sleep the other pretty much solo'd the village with his puppets that are weaker than him.

The only thing that hinders Itachi when fighting Nagato is his stamina and his lack of a counter to Chibaku Tensei IMO. It would pretty much be an even match until Nagato uses Chibaku Tensei as Itachi can counter everything else Nagato tosses at him.

I don't see counters to Gedo Mazo's attacks(soul dragon), bansho tennin, chous shinra tensei, human path..

 

[AlphaScythian]

"Nagato (長門, Nagato), also known as Pain (ペイン, Pein)" - Narutowikia.

Narutowikia isnt a argument here -.-

 

[KidGamer65]

I don't see him taking out ALL of Nagato's summons + Nagato himself (assuming you mean Nagato and not him using 6PoP). If he is fighting Nagato while using his paths (bodies) then he has no hope.

Yeah, I was referring to Nagato. Also, that's why I mentioned the fact that his stamina is another one of his downfalls when fighting Nagato, who has too many numbers.

 

[KidGamer65]

I don't see counters to Gedo Mazo's attacks(soul dragon), bansho tennin, chous shinra tensei, human path..

Gedo Mazo Soul Dragon is tanked by Susanoo as it caused physical damage to the ground so it isn't just phasing through. Not to mention Yata Mirror has already been stated to protect from these kinds of attacks.

BT? Susanoo.

Forgot about CST.

Human Path? Again, Susanoo.

 

[Thundercles]

Narutowikia isnt a argument here -.-

... Still doesn't change the fact that he is referred to as both.

Yeah, I was referring to Nagato. Also, that's why I mentioned the fact that his stamina is another one of his downfalls when fighting Nagato, who has too many numbers.

Very true. But he Nagato has too many OP techs. Itachi has 3.

 

[Midday]

Gedo Mazo Soul Dragon is tanked by Susanoo as it caused physical damage to the ground so it isn't just phasing through. Not to mention Yata Mirror has already been stated to protect from these kinds of attacks.

BT? Susanoo.


Forgot about CST.

Human Path? Again, Susanoo.

BT can remove him from Susanoo and Susanoo can be absorbed.

 

[KidGamer65]

BT can remove him from Susanoo and Susanoo can be absorbed.

No it can't.

Gaara needing to hold down the Susanoo to pull Madara out proves this whole notion wrong. Kakashi says Pain can push and pull things from HIS center not other individual's center of gravity, Nagato is a magnet and he pulls things towards him. Thus if Nagato uses BT to try and pull someone out of Susanoo all he will end up doing is pulling the whole Susanoo towards him.

BT isn't pulling a Susanoo user from their Susanoo.

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[masterdylan1997]

Very interesting.

 

[AlphaScythian]

... Still doesn't change the fact that he is referred to as both.

Refferred to both? Maybe in ur case. Pain= 6 dead puppets, Nagato separate being. Depending on the name we know the difference, get it already.

Very true. But he Nagato has too many OP techs. Itachi has 3.

Nagato has weakness to genjutsu itachi doesnt. Nagato only has 4 OP moves

 

[Midday]

No it can't.

Gaara needing to hold down the Susanoo to pull Madara out proves this whole notion wrong. Kakashi says Pain can push and pull things from HIS center not other individual's center of gravity, Nagato is a magnet and he pulls things towards him. Thus if Nagato uses BT to try and pull someone out of Susanoo all he will end up doing is pulling the whole Susanoo towards him.

BT isn't pulling a Susanoo user from their Susanoo.

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That's just Kakashi's observation. We've seen Nagato move a boulder that doesn't only move away or to him so that point is null.

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Secondly Nagato can use bansho tennin on multiple objects. First example when he's able to remove a nail out of wood without affecting the wood shows he can isolate just his targets gravity, so he could remove Itachi without affecting susanoo. Second example he's able to bansho tennin on Naruto and a rock boulder. So using bansho tennin on Susanoo and another on Itachi and using to different forces and move them in other directions they're going to seperate.

 

[Flawž]

Itachi has Low stamina meaning he wont last nagato in a fight. Itachi can only use his Susano'o for 2-3 minutes and then He will be exhausted while half blind.

His only Way to get an advantage of Nagato is genjutsu but Nagato can summon the 6 paths and Break thier chakra connections everytime they are in a genjutsu.

 

[Nous]

No this is completely incorrect. Nagato is in a completely different league. For one, the only chance that Itachi had to defeat Nagato was in a three vs one but what made this three vs one unique was that his opponents were Naruto, Bee, and Itachi [

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]. All three are arguably Top 10 and Naruto is arguably Top 5. And Kabuto implies that Nagato is more powerful as well because subsequent to his sealing, the Dragon Sage stated he needed to pull out his trump card (Edo Madara) [

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]. And according to Jiraiya, Nagato is stronger [

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] and also according to Kabuto [Source stated earlier], Nagato is stronger. Could Itachi beat Nagato? Of course - in an unfair fight Konohamaru could probably beat someone like Kabuto but in a fair 1 vs 1, Nagato wins.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Itachi has Low stamina meaning he wont last nagato in a fight. Itachi can only use his Susano'o for 2-3 minutes and then He will be exhausted while half blind.

His only Way to get an advantage of Nagato is genjutsu but Nagato can summon the 6 paths and Break thier chakra connections everytime they are in a genjutsu.

As of now pain bodies are destroyed. At any rate itachi can control multiple targets with genjutsu...And he wont be needing tsukuyoi on them but a weaker ones will do.

 

[Flawž]

As of now pain bodies are destroyed. At any rate itachi can control multiple targets with genjutsu...And he wont be needing tsukuyoi on them but a weaker ones will do.

as of now, itachi's MS eye is sealed from izanami. Lol

First of all, Regular genjutsu will be Dealt with easily. itachi's only chance is tsuykiomi and That uses His MS which would strain them and blind him even more.

Even with tsyukiomi, Nagato can summon the 6 paths and Itachi will have to genjutsu the paths leading nagato is Disturb their chakra connections.

 

[KidGamer65]

That's Kakashi's observation. We've seen Nagato move a bolder that doesn't only move away or to him so that point is null.

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Wrong, the rock was clearly brought over to where Nagato was as he is the epicenter and Naruto was coming from the opposite direction, just because Nagato is the epicenter it doesn't mean that every object is attracted to his exact spot.

It being Kakashi's observation doesn't mean its wrong.

Secondly Nagato can use bansho tennin on multiple objects. First example when he's able to remove a nail out of wood without affecting the wood shows he can isolate just his targets gravity. Second example he's able to bansho tennin on Naruto and a rock bolder. So using bansho tennin on Susanoo and another on Itachi and using to different forces and move them in other directions they're going to seperate.

1. The wood isn't obstructing the pull of the magnet (Nagato) so there is no reason why this is a valid example to support him being able to pull someone out of Susanoo. Stop with the isolating his targets gravity BS when the manga disagrees.

2. Wrong. He can only attract Susanoo he can't attract Itachi nor can he "manipulate his gravity" from inside Susanoo. Do you even know how BT works? If you are going to make functions up for this jutsu don't bother replying again cause I don't feel like wasting my time. BT pulls things toward Nagato. He can't move Susanoo in one direction and Itachi in the other. (He can't even affect Itachi period) Susanoo will just be pulled toward him. Can a magnet attract a metal object that is inside a box? Nope. Can a magnet move two different objects in opposite directions? Nope.

Nagato only has limited gravity control (Push and Pull) He can't do the things you say he can. Its pure fanfiction. BT attracts things toward the epicenter (Nagato) Simple as that.

 

[AlphaScythian]

as of now, itachi's MS eye is sealed from izanami. Lol
First of all, Regular genjutsu will be Dealt with easily. itachi's only chance is tsuykiomi and That uses His MS which would strain them and blind him even more.

Lol. No pain is easily susceptible to genjutsu even ibiki morino managed to trap animal path. Itachi Regular sharingan genjutsu will do the job just fine. Another thing there are only 2 dangerous path deva and preta others are fodders. Taking care of this 2 lead to easi victory.

Even with tsyukiomi, Nagato can summon the 6 paths and Itachi will have to genjutsu the paths leading nagato is Disturb their chakra connections.

Nagato wont be summoning anything under genjutsu. Summoning pains is retarded as he has to split his chakra and powers to them, none of which he can do w/o being attached to that creepy machine he had. So no nagato + pain scenario cant happen.

 

[ballerjordan]

Nagato can beat Itachi with only 3 paths at most. You can pick.

Animal path : Will keep Itachi busy, he will be forced to use Amaterasu, costing him a huge chakra depletion further reducing his stamina. Nagato can stay on his giant bird to stay away from totsuka.

Preta Path : Absorb all of Itachi's techniques. Yata and Susanoo are made of chakra, Nagato can simply absorb it.

Asura Path: Projectiles, chakra beams, physical strength, tai jutsu strong enough to crush Jiraiya's throat and rip his arm off in SM. Nagato can keep spamming rockets, chakra beam to further make Itachi hold his Susanoo up

Deva Path : Pull Itachi out of Susanoo, if he manages to get close and try to hit him with Totsuka or Amaterasu, he can use Shinra tensei. Also Itachi has NO counter to Chibaku tensei.

 

[Midday]

Wrong, the rock was clearly brought over to where Nagato was as he is the epicenter and Naruto was coming from the opposite direction, just because Nagato is the epicenter it doesn't mean that every object is attracted to his exact spot.

It being Kakashi's observation doesn't mean its wrong.

The rock's path, collided with the path Naruto was being pulled. That's impossible if Bansho tenin is just Kakashi's observation were it can only pull things towards away from him. So there's more to it than that, that's why that point is incorrect.

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1. The wood isn't obstructing the pull of the magnet (Nagato) so there is no reason why this is a valid example to support him being able to pull someone out of Susanoo. Stop with the isolating his targets gravity BS when the manga disagrees.

The point is that he can isolate his targets gravity. Which the manga has supported.

2. Wrong. He can only attract Susanoo he can't attract Itachi nor can he "manipulate his gravity" from inside Susanoo. Do you even know how BT works? If you are going to make functions up for this jutsu don't bother replying again cause I don't feel like wasting my time. BT pulls things toward Nagato. He can't move Susanoo in one direction and Itachi in the other. (He can't even affect Itachi period) Susanoo will just be pulled toward him. Can a magnet attract a metal object that is inside a box? Nope. Can a magnet move two different objects in opposite directions? Nope.

Once again you seem to think bansho tenin is only limited to push or pull towards him but that is not the case. If Nagato was the centre of gravity of the push and pull it would be impossible to make Naruto and a boulder collide so he clearly is not limited to just that. Where is the evidence on that bansho tenin can not go through susanoo, gravity is not tanagible , susanoo is not immune to gravity's effects. If he can see the target he can use bansho tenin. Also the fact to Madara used bansho tenin through susanoo makes that null.

Nagato only has limited gravity control (Push and Pull) He can't do the things you say he can. Its pure fanfiction. BT attracts things toward the epicenter (Nagato) Simple as that.

It's not fanfiction as i've clearly showed you that Bansho tennin isn't restricted to push and pull. So get of your high horse and stop calling things you don't agree with fan fiction even though it's been shown otherwise.

 

[KidGamer65]

Nagato can beat Itachi with only 3 paths at most. You can pick.

Animal path : Will keep Itachi busy, he will be forced to use Amaterasu, costing him a huge chakra depletion further reducing his stamina. Nagato can stay on his giant bird to stay away from totsuka.

Preta Path : Absorb all of Itachi's techniques. Yata and Susanoo are made of chakra, Nagato can simply absorb it.

Asura Path: Projectiles, chakra beams, physical strength, tai jutsu strong enough to crush Jiraiya's throat and rip his arm off in SM. Nagato can keep spamming rockets, chakra beam to further make Itachi hold his Susanoo up

Deva Path : Pull Itachi out of Susanoo, if he manages to get close and try to hit him with Totsuka or Amaterasu, he can use Shinra tensei. Also Itachi has NO counter to Chibaku tensei.

Not happening.