Anything would shatter Yata Mirror

[Fanta]

Yeah, the DB makes an exaggeration there but it seems that Amataersu's burning ability depends on how dense the Jutsu itself is created. The dense Enton: Kagatsuchi undoubtedly burns hotter than the regular use of Amaterasu which in itself supports that claim. Majority jump on the "DB is out-dated/contradicted/discredited" band wagon without sufficient evidence; and evidence broth forth is not nearly enough to contradict it in entirety.

Then we could also assume DB makes an exaggeration when it says yata mirror tanks any attack. Therefore that statement renders unreliable.

 

[Owarij]

Dude. Hot as the sun. That would mean the whole landscape would be turned to ash as soon as the Amaterasu is activated.

eh, no, surface sun tempature is as hot as lightning gets, so since the databook wasn't specific about which parts... i Believe everyone is assuming as hot as the suns core......Are people forgetting that amaterasu, while on the ground was actually hot enough to heat up the atmosphere on the ground and in the sky?, sasuke had to shoot his katon up there to expedite the process.. but what other flame is so hot that having it on the ground does that?

it doesn't even really matter at the end of the day

the databook gave yata mirror hype, and nothing refuted that just yet...

@OP - you're argument is that it isn't mentioned? are you insane?

According to the databook people don't even believe it exists anymore.. and on top of that NOONE other than sasuke and now bee/naruto, knows he has the item...

what conversations are you expecting to have about an item that people think is part of a MYTH.....


According to zetsu, the items are beyong earthly understanding ..... they are supernatural... and yet its funny people believe simple attacks like rasengan will break and shatter an item of spiritual state... an item with no physical form what so ever..

Madara's bloody hell fan has been defending against naruto's attacks.....
Yagura's reflection ninjutsu defended against attacks..

and people think the one item, that even zetsu can't comprehend.... is nothing?


@ Op, I do realize you like to pick and choose what hype you like .. when it has to do with Itachi, you completely reject it , I knew you were an itachi hater, but it's getting pretty sad

 

[Waltz]

Then we could also assume DB makes an exaggeration when it says yata mirror tanks any attack. Therefore that statement renders unreliable.

Review my initial post in this thread.

 

[Fanta]

Review my initial post in this thread.

it doesn't change the fact that the statement is very unreliable. Proved wrong or not.

 

[Waltz]

it doesn't change the fact that the statement is very unreliable. Proved wrong or not.

Are you substituting canon for your own speculation?

 

[Fanta]

Are you substituting canon for your own speculation?

No, you claimed that the DB exaggerated when it mentioned the Amaterasu statement. This means that the statement regarding the yata mirror could also be possibly exaggerated. Showing that the DB isn't that reliable. I'm not saying the yata mirror can't tank everything. That is all.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Ageed. Stupid overrated yata is featless

 

[Waltz]

No, you claimed that the DB exaggerated when it mentioned the Amaterasu statement. This means that the statement regarding the yata mirror could also be possibly exaggerated. Showing that the DB isn't that reliable. I'm not saying the yata mirror can't tank everything. That is all.

There is no proof of that. Once more:

Speculation. The Manga has yet to discredit Yata's hype/contradict the Databook's excerpt as it actually supports it, until then the context is factual and your words, are just words.

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[Fanta]

You have no proof of that. Once more:

Wow. Is it that hard to understand? I'm not saying the databook is wrong or right. It' just very sketchy which has been proven. Amaterasu being as hot as the sun is one example, that statement on it's own is not 100% true.

Good job ignoring the start of my sentence when you bolded btw.

 

[Owarij]

Wow. Is it that hard to understand? I'm not saying the databook is wrong or right. It' just very sketchy which has been proven. Amaterasu being as hot as the sun is one example, that statement on it's own is not 100% true.

Good job ignoring the start of my sentence when you bolded btw.

Lol, you're all actually contradicting yourselves.. Using deductive reasoning... Yata mirror has already proven its databook statements...... it reflected all attacks that came at it in the manga... and thus you have no basis for arguing its validity...

All you're doing atm is pulling strawman attacks on yatamirror , BECAUSE there are possible hyperbole's in amaterasu's text.... Which would be saying that the entire databook is filled with false statements.. which is completely and utterly untrue. when 99% of what's stated in the databook is fact... from blood types, to height, to jutsu descriptions and rank levels....

 

[Waltz]

Wow. Is it that hard to understand? I'm not saying the databook is wrong or right. It' just very sketchy which has been proven. Amaterasu being as hot as the sun is one example, that statement on it's own is not 100% true.

Good job ignoring the start of my sentence when you bolded btw.

There was a Retcon. If I may, what evidence(s) do you have discrediting the Databook/Manga's claim on Yata no kagami? Your entire argument is speculative.

Lol, you're all actually contradicting yourselves.. Using deductive reasoning... Yata mirror has already proven its databook statements...... it reflected all attacks that came at it in the manga... and thus you have no basis for arguing its validity...

All you're doing atm is pulling strawman attacks on yatamirror , BECAUSE there are possible hyperbole's in amaterasu's text.... Which would be saying that the entire databook is filled with false statements.. which is completely and utterly untrue. when 99% of what's stated in the databook is fact... from blood types, to height, to jutsu descriptions and rank levels....

Exactly this.

 

[Fanta]

Lol, you're all actually contradicting yourselves.. Using deductive reasoning... Yata mirror has already proven its databook statements...... it reflected all attacks that came at it in the manga... and thus you have no basis for arguing its validity...

All you're doing atm is pulling strawman attacks on yatamirror , BECAUSE there are possible hyperbole's in amaterasu's text.... Which would be saying that the entire databook is filled with false statements.. which is completely and utterly untrue. when 99% of what's stated in the databook is fact... from blood types, to height, to jutsu descriptions and rank levels....

Yata mirror hasn't proven it's hype. It says ALL attacks, but nothing more powerful than kirin has hit it.

Unreliable and untrue are completely different.

There was a Retcon. If I may, what evidence(s) do you have discrediting the Databook/Manga's claim on Yata no kagami? Your entire argument is speculative.

What manga proof do you have that yata mirror can tank every attack apart from a sketchy databook?

 

[NoMoreLove]

Thread owner going against logic and the manga ! No surprises considering who it is

I love how people are saying "Yata mirror breaks easily" when we have absolutely no account of it breaking whatsoever -.-
What we DO have is a statement of how strong the yata mirror is and Itachi being called invincible in terms of defence because of it.

For those of you that know me, you know I am not a hardcore Itachi fanatic, I know that Yata mirror is completely invincible but that does not mean Itachi's susanoo is. A lot of you seem to overlook this. :yayy:

This.. Lol. USSJ Trunks I keep seeing his threads and all he does is hate on Itachi. this guy honestly needs to be banned for trolling. Unless you can show me an episode or manga chapter where yata mirror does break YOU'RE A TROLL. smh

 

[Draphsin]

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[Owarij]

Yata mirror hasn't proven it's hype. It says ALL attacks, but nothing more powerful than kirin has hit it.

It has blocked ninjutsu, narutral attacks, and physical attacks.. you may need to reread the fight..

The databook stated it can block all forms.. physical,spiritual, material and astral..

It has proven it's capable of defending against 2/4 thus far.. what is your basis for arguing that it hasn't ?

 

[Fanta]

It has blocked ninjutsu, narutral attacks, and physical attacks.. you may need to reread the fight..

The databook stated it can block all forms.. physical,spiritual, material and astral..

It has proven it's capable of defending against 2/4 thus far.. what is your basis for arguing that it hasn't ? [/QUOTE

There was a Retcon. If I may, what evidence(s) do you have discrediting the Databook/Manga's claim on Yata no kagami? Your entire argument is speculative.

Didn't say that it can't, did I. One cannot say it blocks every single attack in Naruto since this has not been tested. But one also cannot say that it can't do this either. THAT is my point.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

another 1 of trunks rants funny i seem to recall only Oro Sasuke and Zetsu knew about his susanoo


then later naruto/kurama bee/gyuki and Nagato found out about it and nagato got sealed

reason why know was worried about it case most were't his enemies and others dont KNOW WHAT IT IS!

 

[Waltz]

One cannot say it blocks every single attack in Naruto since this has not been tested. But one also cannot say that it can't do this either. THAT is my point.

The Manga and Databook says it can; not my opinion but rather the truth.

 

[Momo86]

Didn't say that it can't, did I. One cannot say it blocks every single attack in Naruto since this has not been tested. But one also cannot say that it can't do this either. THAT is my point.

That reasoning works on anything, though. For instance I could say that the claim that no one is faster than Minato is unreliable because it holds true only as long as the manga doesn't show someone faster than Minato. Kinda like the Third Raikage's indestructible body, or Gaara's Absolute Defense... while both are effective, neither was proven to be as invincible as it was thought to be because something new and stronger came along.

Nothing is "tested" in Naruto, because it depicts a warring society and 1) warriors tend to exaggerate the features of their weapons and 2) armies tend to always come up with new weapons to counter the strongest weapons.

In fact, the whole form of debate that frequently take place here ("Does Kamui one-shots Tailed Beasts?") makes little sense because it's up to the author to come up with new feats that could overpower the old ones and it's also up to the author to surprise us with unexpected feats.

The known fact is that the Yata Mirror is very good defense and is effective against chakra natures. Everything else is speculating.

 

[Fanta]

The Manga and Databook says it can; not my opinion but rather the truth.

And I already proved how databook statements are not always 100% true, so there no reason to totally go by this.

That reasoning works on anything, though. For instance I could say that the claim that no one is faster than Minato is unreliable because it holds true only as long as the manga doesn't show someone faster than Minato. Kinda like the Third Raikage's indestructible body, or Gaara's Absolute Defense... while both are effective, neither was proven to be as invincible as it was thought to be because something new and stronger came along.

Nothing is "tested" in Naruto, because it depicts a warring society and 1) warriors tend to exaggerate the features of their weapons and 2) armies tend to always come up with new weapons to counter the strongest weapons.

In fact, the whole form of debate that frequently take place here ("Does Kamui one-shots Tailed Beasts?") makes little sense because it's up to the author to come up with new feats that could overpower the old ones and it's also up to the author to surprise us with unexpected feats.

Minato was proven the fastest in Naruto. His FTG is instant, you can't get any faster than that.

Also the situation I'm referring to is whether yata can tank everything, that includes juubi bomb ect.. I think you get the idea.