Anything would shatter Yata Mirror

[KCMNaruto]

Everything you say is pure goddamn speculation...

You actually get under my skin because you seriously deny facts and arent just playing around to be one of those trolls...

Manga & databook clearly prove you wrong, yet you go on to make assumptions such as "tbb shatters yata mirror"...Where the f*ck is the basis for this argument? The juubi? Please tell me what the hell he's done to prove that yata cant tank its attack?



Rashomen gates easily deflected a tbb without shattering.

So by your logic, rashomen gates >>> Yata mirror?? WTF?

So a defensive jutsu, with absolutely no hype stating what it can do, is stronger than a weapon that is stated to do that sort of thing???....riiiight....U_U

First, you just used wrong example to support your opinion, why ?!

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Madara said straight and in clear way: "He is trying to change the trajectory", nowhere is stated or shown that these Gojuu Rashomoun can tank or even deflect bijuudama.

Second, Where it is stated or shown that Bijuu dama can be tanked ?(except Madara's perfect Sussano cloaked Kyuubi). Even Hashirama Thousand arms statue wasn't able to tank bijuudama(broken arms)

Third, Yata mirror wasn't shown to tank any non elemental attack(only Kirin), so it's featless...

Fourth, Zetsu was simply hyping Yata mirror to hype Itachi himself in his last battle...,besides Kishi probably wasn't even aware that he stretch manga so far...

Fifth, Databook statements are often exeggerated or contradicted later by manga itself, because Kishi wasn't probaly thinking back then about what could happen in future and even then. Kishi is human and he can't remember everything he planned to do, as human he can changes his opinion as everyone.

Sixth, Juubi bijuudama, Kurama full bijuu dama as well as Naruto Bijuu mode's flash bijuudama are still not tankable until manga shows otherwise.

Seventh, If Kishi remember about Yata mirror(I doubt somehow), then he will put limits on Yata mirror in Fourth databook I can put all my bets on it

Eigth, We can only hope Sasuke will get it and use it to show what it is really capable of on panel

Thank you very much for this nice discussion, I hope you will get my point =D

Sage of six paths, Juubi, Naruto, Obito, Nagato, Hashirama, Madara > Itachi

Juubi's bijuudama, Juubi's laser, Naruto's flash bijuudama, Kurama full power bijuu dama > Yata mirror, until proven otherwise by manga

EDIT: I forgot about one thing more. If yata mirror was really that invincible then Madara(who read Uchiha tablet) could search it long time ago to aid him against Hashirama before itachi found it. Madara could be first to be interested in yata mirror.

However Madara didn't do that, so it only implies that:

Perfect sussano cloaked Kurama > Yata mirror
Kurama and Perfect Sussano > Yata mirror (most likely as they showed more durable feat while Yata mirror is just hype)

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

First, you just used wrong example to support your opinion, why ?!

Here:

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Madara said straight and in clear way: "He is trying to change the trajectory", nowhere is stated or shown that these Gojuu Rashomoun can tank or even deflect bijuudama.

Second, Where it is stated or shown that Bijuu dama can be tanked ?(except Madara's perfect Sussano cloaked Kyuubi). Even Hashirama Thousand arms statue wasn't able to tank bijuudama(broken arms)

Third, Yata mirror wasn't shown to tank any non elemental attack(only Kirin), so it's featless...

Fourth, Zetsu was simply hyping Yata mirror to hype Itachi himself in his lat battle...,besides Kishi probably wasn't even aware that he stretch manga so far...

Fifth, Databook statements are often exeggerated or contradicted later by manga itself, because Kishi wasn't probaly thinking back then about what could happen in future and even then. Kishi is human and he can't remember everything he planned to do, as human he can changes his opinion as everyone.

Sixth, Juubi bijuudama, Kurama full bijuu dama as well as Naruto Bijuu mode's flash bijuudama are still not tankable until manga shows otherwise.

Seventh, If Kishi remember about Yata mirror(I doubt somehow), then he will put limits on Yata mirror in Fourth databook I can put all my bets on it

Eigth, We ca only hope Sasuke will get it and use it to show what it is really capable of on panel

Thank you very much for this nice discussion, I hope you will get my point =D

Sage of six paths, Juubi, Naruto, Obito, Nagato, Hashirama, Madara > Itachi

Juubi's bijuudama, Juubi's laser, Naruto's flash bijuudama, Kurama full power bijuu dama > Yata mirror, until proven otherwise by manga

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[RikudoKami]

Black Zetsu is Madaras will or mind that's why he is so knowledgable. Madaras intelligence > you

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Black Zetsu is Madaras will or mind that's why he is so knowledgable. Madaras intelligence > you

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[Klaves]

That's exactly my point.

I think you may have an easier time arguing what Itachi can handle since the toll these mythical weapons take on the user isn't specified. We know that Susano consumes a lot of chakra, but with these weapons an attack like a TBB barrage or something of the sort could possibly exasperate the chakra needed to sustain the Susano & Yata/Totsuka. Since the databook and manga do not contradict each other, and most of those arguing against you are using these since they are technically fact, you'd probably have a better time arguing Itachi's chakra reserves couldn't handle attacks on a larger scale than Kirin.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Ok, one thing more I would like to add =D

Here is your precious manga scan giving hype to Yata mirror, ok...

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Let's look closer what characters are speaking in this page.

Zetsu: "This Sussano's technique... It's shield's reflecting all of Sasuke attacks"

Ok, now What attacks did Sasuke use against this almighty Shield ?

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wow, Sasuke throws shuriken with two explosive notes connected to it and Yata mirror tanks it !!!, Impressive, really ?

Now let's what did it do to Sasuke:

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Nothing, strange... but in databook and even in first page itself i put here, it was said to reflect any attack... (wrong translation, maybe...)

Comming back to it:

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Black Zetsu or Story teller(Kishi himself) said that Yata mirror, I add quote: "A shield that can turn back any attack..."

Wait ?!, that mean manga contradict itself, why ?!

Manga scan show Yata mirror tanking explosion but not reflecting attack what manga states by words..., even worse according to manga Sasuke should have to protect himself against reflected shuriken with explosive notes or as some people say, Yata should reflect explosion(made of fire element) and direct it at Sasuke....

Another example, Even if Itachi used yata mirror to survives Kirin, then why kirin wasn't reflected and sent back in sky or at Sasuke but instead destroyed mountain and created exposion, plot no jutsu ?!

Summary:

• Manga contradicts itself about Yata mirror tanking or reflecting abilities
• Yata mirror was only shown to tank shuriken with two explosive notes connected to it(some shinobi could tank it wihtout using Yata mirror...)
• Databook is old and very probably not accurate about Yata mirror as well

Thanks for reading, I hope it stops Yata mirror > Juubi's bijuudama thread...

 

[NagazuDead]

u have 12000 posts and still posts these threads...

 

[Owarij]

Why are people claiming yata mirror doesn't block anything other than nature elements? you do realize it reflected Sasuke's sword ( physical), Orochi snakes (Physical) , and the katon explosion kunais?

As the databook said.. PHYSICAL, ASTRAL, MATERIAL AND NINJUTSU ATTACKS, it defends against them all.. it doesn't matter if it has no elements of several (kkg) as the databook said elements of the attack, and it changes it characteristics based on it..

 

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[Itachi Hatake]

Ok, one thing more I would like to add =D

Here is your precious manga scan giving hype to Yata mirror, ok...

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Let's look closer what characters are speaking in this page.

Zetsu: "This Sussano's technique... It's shield's reflecting all of Sasuke attacks"

Ok, now What attacks did Sasuke use against this almighty Shield ?

Here we go:

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wow, Sasuke throws shuriken with two explosive notes connected to it and Yata mirror tanks it !!!, Impressive, really ?

Now let's what did it do to Sasuke:

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Nothing, strange... but in databook and even in first page itself i put here, it was said to reflect any attack... (wrong translation, maybe...)

Comming back to it:

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Black Zetsu or Story teller(Kishi himself) said that Yata mirror, I add quote: "A shield that can turn back any attack..."

Wait ?!, that mean manga contradict itself, why ?!

Manga scan show Yata mirror tanking explosion but not reflecting attack what manga states by words..., even worse according to manga Sasuke should have to protect himself against reflected shuriken with explosive notes or as some people say, Yata should reflect explosion(made of fire element) and direct it at Sasuke....

Another example, Even if Itachi used yata mirror to survives Kirin, then why kirin wasn't reflected and sent back in sky or at Sasuke but instead destroyed mountain and created exposion, plot no jutsu ?!

Summary:

• Manga contradicts itself about Yata mirror tanking or reflecting abilities
• Yata mirror was only shown to tank shuriken with two explosive notes connected to it(some shinobi could tank it wihtout using Yata mirror...)
• Databook is old and very probably not accurate about Yata mirror as well

Thanks for reading, I hope it stops Yata mirror > Juubi's bijuudama thread...

one could argue that it was regular Susanoo that tanked Kirin, I mean he only had the ribcage after standing up again. It should also be noted that the explosive tags look already set to detonate even before they touched the Yata mirror. The second time he threw explosive kunai, the explosion was indeed repelled back. And you forgot to put forth the other manga scans where Sasuke attacked with his sword but he was repelled back. Oro's technique was also repelled back. Now how is the manga contradicting itself?

 

[Owarij]

Ok, one thing more I would like to add =D

Here is your precious manga scan giving hype to Yata mirror, ok...

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Let's look closer what characters are speaking in this page.

Zetsu: "This Sussano's technique... It's shield's reflecting all of Sasuke attacks"

Ok, now What attacks did Sasuke use against this almighty Shield ?

Here we go:

Spoiler

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wow, Sasuke throws shuriken with two explosive notes connected to it and Yata mirror tanks it !!!, Impressive, really ?

Now let's what did it do to Sasuke:

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Nothing, strange... but in databook and even in first page itself i put here, it was said to reflect any attack... (wrong translation, maybe...)

Comming back to it:

Spoiler

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Black Zetsu or Story teller(Kishi himself) said that Yata mirror, I add quote: "A shield that can turn back any attack..."

Wait ?!, that mean manga contradict itself, why ?!

Manga scan show Yata mirror tanking explosion but not reflecting attack what manga states by words..., even worse according to manga Sasuke should have to protect himself against reflected shuriken with explosive notes or as some people say, Yata should reflect explosion(made of fire element) and direct it at Sasuke....

Another example, Even if Itachi used yata mirror to survives Kirin, then why kirin wasn't reflected and sent back in sky or at Sasuke but instead destroyed mountain and created exposion, plot no jutsu ?!

Summary:

• Manga contradicts itself about Yata mirror tanking or reflecting abilities
• Yata mirror was only shown to tank shuriken with two explosive notes connected to it(some shinobi could tank it wihtout using Yata mirror...)
• Databook is old and very probably not accurate about Yata mirror as well

Thanks for reading, I hope it stops Yata mirror > Juubi's bijuudama thread...

What's with the Itachi haters?


1) Yata mirror never defended from kiring.. Itachi didn't have time to make his full sussanno.. in which is the only state that the spiritual weapons appear

2) Read the manga properly , the attacks were deflected

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It also seems you do not know the definition of deflect.. it doesn't mean to send it back at the caster



and an example of a shield that blocks and doesn't deflect... since people are obv having problems telling the diff

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[KidGamer65]

Stupid thread is stupid as usual.

 

[S A G E]

I usually don't agree with your threads but to be honest I will on this one just because it is against Itachi

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TBH though, I think Yata mirror could block anything, however Itachi can't keep it up for a while when someone is able to do barrage of attacks such as tailed beast bombs or 5 billion plus paper bombs, because he doesn't have as much chakra as other characters

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Manga has yet to discredit Yata's hype/contradict the Databook's excerpt as it actually supports it, until then the context is factual and your words, are just words.

it contradicted the hype by having yata do nothing at all for 630 chapters

According to zetsu

hes fodder and knows nothing. nothing he said can be taken as reliable. alll he recounted was a random legend. the possessor of the shield never even mentioned he had it maning even itachi thinks its useless

and yet its funny people believe simple attacks like rasengan will break and shatter an item of spiritual state... an item with no physical form what so ever..

if it has no physical form then it has no form at all and doesnt block anything.

I love how people are saying "Yata mirror breaks easily" when we have absolutely no account of it breaking whatsoever -.-
What we DO have is a statement of how strong the yata mirror is and Itachi being called invincible in terms of defence because of it.

we have an incorrect statement of hyperbole and ridiculous hype, from someone who knows nothing and is nothing and is just a fodder, and no account of it doing anything or blocking anything impressive. meaning its completely useless since its nothing

Yata mirror has already proven its databook statements...... it reflected all attacks that came at it in the manga... and thus you have no basis for arguing its validity

no attacks were used on it that couldnt be defended against by regular susano. yata mirror has LITERALLY done nothing in the manga. it cant reflect anything because of how featless it is

Unless you can show me an episode or manga chapter where yata mirror does break YOU'RE A TROLL

no limits fallacy. you think that because no attack has been shown to break a shield that means it cant be penetrated at all? ok then i guess chiyos puppet light shield blocks planet busters because it hasnt been shown to take a planet buster

It has blocked ninjutsu, narutral attacks, and physical attacks.. you may need to reread the fight..

it has literally blocked nothing. nothing whatsoever. its useless and featless

The databook stated it can block all forms.. physical,spiritual, material and astral..

the databook stated oro created ET and kimimaro is omnipotent.

how me the proof that yata mirror cant deflect non-elemental attacks

lolol show me it doing so. a shield isnt invincible just because it hasnt broken. it hasnt broken because its taken nothing impressive

So a defensive jutsu, with absolutely no hype stating what it can do, is stronger than a weapon that is stated to do that sort of thing???....riiiight....

rashomon has feats. yata mirror has nothing of any real worth at all

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Black Zetsu is Madaras will or mind that's why he is so knowledgable

black zetsu doesnt know anything and is just a fodder spy. if kishi wanted us to take the hype seriously he would have had it come from obito's mouth or itachi's mouth.

I think Yata mirror could block anything,

so sage of six paths could use chibaku tensei on it and itd do nothing? fuks sake

Black Zetsu or Story teller(Kishi himself)

lolol. so any RANDOM WEAKLING is kishi himself? ok then sasuke killed zabuza cos choujuro said so

you do realize it reflected Sasuke's sword ( physical), Orochi snakes (Physical) , and the katon explosion kunais?

none of that couldnt have been blocked by regular susano. the hydra bounced off like anyone would if they hit a brick wall.

As the databook said..

databook is non canon and any random sentence of hyperbole hype from that thing should be ignored

 

[Owarij]

it contradicted the hype by having yata do nothing at all for 630 chapters

Yea.... illogical argument, posts filled with fallacies.. no point in arguing with someone with stunted intelligence