The reason Oda timeskip > Kishi timeskip

Fodder#5 · May 1, 2013

Yeah how come Naruto didn't even know that he was a wind style user? What the hell was Jirayia teaching him during those two years haha

bigfatloser · May 1, 2013

Narutohokage7 said:
Don't forget he trained to break free from gen-jutsu for that to only end up badly when trapped in Itachis..

Jiraiya should of worked on his toad summoning skills, like got him to summon all the different types, have them fight along side him. Plenty of strong shinobis do it, so why shouldn't Naruto? Bigger Rasengans should of just come as part of his development naturally, not as some chance of going nuts when using it because of Kyuubi chakra thing.

Perhaps, even the one tailed cloak should of been unlocked, that would of given him a lot of power without really overpowering him at that stage.

I agree with all of this post but bolded he probably didn't wanna do to avoid DBZ'ing the manga.

of course, with KM mode and BM mode, it kind of ended up happening anyway.

NarutoB · May 1, 2013

MrSimple said:
Yet Naruto > OP in terms of popularity

the sad truth,

which any OP fan have to deal and live with it.

So? Popularity doesn't matter and that's coming from someone that likes Naruto way more than OP.

bigfatloser · May 1, 2013

MrSimple said:
Yet Naruto > OP in terms of popularity

the sad truth,

which any OP fan have to deal and live with it.

Twilight > The Odyssey

in terms of popularity.

bigfatloser · May 1, 2013

Narutohokage7 said:
I though 'that jutsu' was the big ball rasengan. Remember Jiraiya warned him agaisnt using it.. it would explain it since he tapped into Kuramas chakra to use it.

That's a cool theory. I guess it could have just been big ball rasengan.

Vandenre1ch · May 1, 2013

Narutohokage7 said:
I though 'that jutsu' was the big ball rasengan. Remember Jiraiya warned him agaisnt using it.. it would explain it since he tapped into Kuramas chakra to use it.

I disagree with Zoro being cold-hearted. Zoro gets the job done and does it well, he still would go with Luffy into hell and back to rescue someone even if it wasn't entirely the best idea.

Sanji, he had bigger pervspasms really and guys, he has had enough of them for a lifetime..

I meant that Zoro SEEMS more "cold-hearted" than before. He's always been serious but timeskip Zoro has more of a death stare and a form of "arrogance". Like this:

Pre-timeskip:"Come on! I'll take you!"
Post-Timeskip:*smirk* "hmph"

Narutohokage7 · May 1, 2013

bigfatloser said:
I agree with all of this post but bolded he probably didn't wanna do to avoid DBZ'ing the manga.

of course, with KM mode and BM mode, it kind of ended up happening anyway.

I count DBZing something as destroying planets and flying and shooting laser beams from every readily available body part. I love the manga, both Naruto and DBZ but people always like to play the 'its too much like DBZ' card. Kishi was inspired by Akira and tbh, it could be far far more like DBZ in terms of destructivness if Kishi wanted it to..

I do see how it is a bit weird though that in part 1 some powers where amazing but now, they suck. That just shows he didn't want to keep it that way.

TheCloudsBlackLightning said:
I meant that Zoro SEEMS more "cold-hearted" than before. He's always been serious but timeskip Zoro has more of a death stare and a form of "arrogance".

Ah, right. Yeah, that is true. Zoro would scare the bejesus outta me** if he was real.. Still, he is one awesome dude.

November · May 1, 2013

i like naruto more because one piece doesn't have itachi

bigfatloser · May 1, 2013

Narutohokage7 said:
I count DBZing something as destroying planets and flying and shooting laser beams from every readily available body part. I love the manga, both Naruto and DBZ but people always like to play the 'its too much like DBZ' card. Kishi was inspired by Akira and tbh, it could be far far more like DBZ in terms of destructivness if Kishi wanted it to..

I do see how it is a bit weird though that in part 1 some powers where amazing but now, they suck. That just shows he didn't want to keep it that way.

To me, there are two main features to DBZ'ing a manga.
1. most prior effective moves and techs are useless vs 2-3 things that become powerhouses.
2. 'This isn't even my final form' -> lots of 'forms' and power-ups like ss, ss2, ss3, etc.

1 in naruto hasn't been that severe. Even though many part 1 things have become useless, there are still lots of other techs that are very useful and very powerful beyond just what 2-3 characters have. They aren't all just pure power either. so I agree that naruto isn't full on dbz yet.

2 in naruto has been worse. Uchiha have had several form upgrades, and so has naruto. as the forms progress, there abilities have primarily focused on increasing power of purely destructive moves. The exception being both sasukes eye genjutsu and narutos healing aura. In this regard naruto has become quite DBZ-like.

I wouldn't go so far as to say there's too much in common or that naruto doesn't have it's own style of story-telling or whatever, but it's just what I've noticed.

Narutohokage7 · May 1, 2013

bigfatloser said:
To me, there are two main features to DBZ'ing a manga.
1. most prior effective moves and techs are useless vs 2-3 things that become powerhouses.
2. 'This isn't even my final form' -> lots of 'forms' and power-ups like ss, ss2, ss3, etc.

1 in naruto hasn't been that severe. Even though many part 1 things have become useless, there are still lots of other techs that are very useful and very powerful beyond just what 2-3 characters have. They aren't all just pure power either. so I agree that naruto isn't full on dbz yet.

2 in naruto has been worse. Uchiha have had several form upgrades, and so has naruto. as the forms progress, there abilities have primarily focused on increasing power of purely destructive moves. The exception being both sasukes eye genjutsu and narutos healing aura. In this regard naruto has become quite DBZ-like.

I wouldn't go so far as to say there's too much in common or that naruto doesn't have it's own style of story-telling or whatever, but it's just what I've noticed.

I agree, but can you really call that DBZing? I know DBZ kinda made this kinda stuff what it is today, but really, it IS a Japanese manga, there is bound to be power-ups that gets power-ups. It kinda just goes with the territory.

rollin · May 1, 2013

Cosman said:
I think the purpose of all that was for "that jutsu"

I agree it was really lame that two arcs later Naruto needed another training arc, but I'm cool I guess. But to be fair, those developments in one piece come out like a hundred chapters later. Oda takes his sweet little time getting things out, so I won't give him too much credit. Kishi got right to the point and didn't waste time

And gaara arc >>>>>>>> fishman island by leaps and bounds. Fishman island was garbage.

That being said, Buggy ftmw!

I think that jiraiya was training naruto for that Jutsu too
That Jutsu requires kuramas yang chakra