Is Itachi the Second Strongest Konoha Shinobi ever?

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I stopped at Ms ends all shit quickly!
Itachi is dead,that Means while others got stronger,He remained stagnant!
Most characters Beats him,its Like you aint even reading the manga!
You know itachi Has low chakra,Is very sick,lacks stamina,bleeds like hell when he pulls out susanno or Amaterasu,Is even Nearly blind,Wtf
And you thought because he's Intelligent and all,he's still strong enough,when Infact he lost his whole power to his illness,Wtf!
Intelligence Only take you half way,having the power to back it Up helps......
Let him Have a drawn out battle with either hashi or Naruto....the chakra/stamina Monsters,I will see how he fares!

how about you read the thread? for that matter did you read my post, or are you just this stupid?
1) the thread states non rogue ninja
2) I said hashi beats him, wtf?
3) naruto doesn't beat him.
4)Ignorance seems to be your moto. "I stopped at MS ends all shit quickly!" K. Please list 10 ninja from konoha, or better yet 20 ninja in general who can tank/dodge;
a) Amaterasu
b) tsukuyomi
c) Susano'o + it's many abilities.
d) all of the above.

All i want is 20 ninja, shouldn't be hard right? Especially seeing as Sick-Dying itachi was able to use ALL 3 on his final push through sickness.

It is obvious. Even Konan would defeat MS Obito if she knew his secret. Just look at the war - until Kakashi cracked how Obito's Kamui works, only then did they start dealing any damage to him.

In other words, there are many characters who could defeat MS Obito when knowing his secret.

Also, it's Itachi who was afraid of Obito - otherwise he wouldn't resort to a cheap assassination trick (Amaterasu trap) and would fight Obito face to face.
Wrong. Konan didn't know of izanagi. That's why she lost.

Wrong. Not many characters can beat him even if he handed them a handbook. They still wouldn't be able to touch him without kamui in other dimension/5 minutes of trap attack.

Wrong. They both were weary of each other because neither fully knew what the other was capable of. They both assassinated the uchiha clan together. If obito wasn't scared of itachi he would've killed him long ago as he knew itachi was a spy and itachi stood in his way to getting to sasuke.

Of course he was cautious of him, Itachi knew about Obito the most out of all people who weren't Obito's allies.
Besides, Itachi himself admitted later as an edo that Obito knew absolutely everything about him.
Nope. Obito was cautious because he didn't know exactly how much itachi knew. konan knew more about the guy than itachi did. All itachi did was fight alongside him/find him in the first place to help wipe out the uchiha.
If obito knew everything about itachi, he would have no need to be cautious. Isn't it obvious that MS obito knew that killing itachi would cause him more harm than good? Worst case scenario would be he died. Best case would be he left severely injured, possibly even having to have resort to Izanagi. He decided to take the safest route and let itachi kill himself fighting sasuke, since he knew itachi never wanted to kill sasuke.
 
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Wrong. Konan didn't know of izanagi. That's why she lost.

That's EXACTLY my point. If she knew everything she would have won. If Itachi knew everything, he would have won. Still not a reason to glorify Itachi because of this simple fact that knowledge gives huge advantage.

Wrong. Not many characters can beat him even if he handed them a handbook. They still wouldn't be able to touch him without kamui in other dimension/5 minutes of trap attack.

Any proof that Itachi could be able to beat Obito without preparing such a 5 minute attack trap?

Wrong. They both were weary of each other because neither fully knew what the other was capable of. They both assassinated the uchiha clan together. If obito wasn't scared of itachi he would've killed him long ago as he knew itachi was a spy and itachi stood in his way to getting to sasuke.

I'll repeat - Itachi himself stated Obito knew everything about him. On the other hand, Itachi was completely fooled by Obito and did not even consider him being someone other than Madara.
No, Obito wouldn't have killed him.
Let's assume Obito was scared of Itachi and he would have killed him otherwise - in this case he would simply order Nagato to kill Itachi, because Nagato was following Obito's orders. Hell, even better - if Obito wanted, Itachi wouldn't have been accepted into Akatsuki in the first place. As you can see, the fact that Obito did not kill Itachi means nothing.

Obito didn't kill Itachi because he wanted to use him to make Sasuke follow him. And guess what, it worked perfectly.

4)Ignorance seems to be your moto. "I stopped at MS ends all shit quickly!" K. Please list 10 ninja from konoha, or better yet 20 ninja in general who can tank/dodge;
a) Amaterasu
b) tsukuyomi
c) Susano'o + it's many abilities.

This argument is bad. By analogy, find me not 10 or 20, but five people who can tank or dodge Kamui by Kakashi.
You won't find any apart from Obito and Madara in perfect Susanoo. This doesn't mean Kakashi is the strongest Konoha shinobi ever. And the same goes for Itachi, having abilities that cannot be tanked is only a small part of success.
 
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When you Insulted Me,I stopped,just can't do this,with your attitude,I can't!
I hate people Insulting me,expecially from someone like you!
 

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Nope! Obito Never said Itachi could beat him,he said if he knew his secret.the same thing applies to anyone who knows his secret!
And Nopitty,sasuke made deidara fustrated,which called for deidara provin he was No pushover,but the fool had to blow himself up
To evade it,sasuke had No chakra and was severely weakend,it was By plot he Summoned Manda!
We don't even Know all the jutsu Minato can use,because he's a fuinjutsu type Ninja
If itachi can't touch obito,I don't see how he can touch Minato because Minato is Clearly faster,on foot and with FTG!

BY plot my ass. Everyone claims they are out of chakra and pulls off at least 3 more techniques the F you be watching/reading O_O Deidara had help from tobi and still lost stop hating on the uchihas naruto gets the most help more than anybody dont start with me
 

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Okay enough....Its obvious that Obito beats Itachi

No matter what his secret was, the fact that Itachi doesnt know it puts him at a severe disadvantage. Not to mention Obito knows of Itachi's abilities, putting him ad an advantage.

And dont use Itachi's analytical skills as an excuse, it takes time to analyze abilities, he needs a distraction. During Nagato's fight, he had Bee/Naruto providing the right distraction. Same thing goes for kabuto's fight, he had sasuke stall while he came up with a plan.

Couple this with fact that obito's kamui is almost instant, and the fastest attack we've seen in the manga besides FTG, and you have an opponent that Itachi cant even touch..

(BTW this isnt including rinnegan + bijuu)

Wrong it's always been Itachi>Obito. Obito cant do anything to hurt itachi. TBlade swipe seals everything. Itachi can last 5 minutes with Obito kumai after that obito is fodderized
 

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Wrong it's always been Itachi>Obito. Obito cant do anything to hurt itachi. TBlade swipe seals everything. Itachi can last 5 minutes with Obito kumai after that obito is fodderized

You nickname "iHateFanBoys" is ironic.

All Obito needs is just to touch Itachi and it's all over.
And good luck with Itachi using Susanoo for 5 minutes and wasting most of his chakra while Obito is just chilling. Really, by doing this Itachi would just make it easier for Obito, because he would exhaust himself.

Deidara had help from tobi and still lost stop hating on the uchihas

Help from Tobi? Obito was kidding around for the whole time.

Stop trolling itachi beats kakashi 10/10 everytime

No.
 
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loyal to konoha?
1.Hashirama
2.Naruto
3.Minato
4.Itachi?
5.Hiruzen?
 

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naruto is far stronger. sasuke is stronger. orochimaru w/ edo is stronger. prime hiruzen probably. tobirama probably. minato maybe. dont even have to mention madara or obito. he definately isn't the second strongest lmao.
 

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No Naruto would come second..and if we count that currently sasuke wants to save konoha he would be third.
 

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lmao how can he put 18 greater than signs in front of sasuke wooooow
 

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That's EXACTLY my point. If she knew everything she would have won. If Itachi knew everything, he would have won. Still not a reason to glorify Itachi because of this simple fact that knowledge gives huge advantage.
Itachi never fought obito. He just set a trap. No last ditched trap is ever fool proof.


Any proof that Itachi could be able to beat Obito without preparing such a 5 minute attack trap?
When did i ever insinuate that he could? I just said not many people could beat obito even if they knew the secrets of kamui...


I'll repeat - Itachi himself stated Obito knew everything about him. On the other hand, Itachi was completely fooled by Obito and did not even consider him being someone other than Madara.
No, Obito wouldn't have killed him.
Let's assume Obito was scared of Itachi and he would have killed him otherwise - in this case he would simply order Nagato to kill Itachi, because Nagato was following Obito's orders. Hell, even better - if Obito wanted, Itachi wouldn't have been accepted into Akatsuki in the first place. As you can see, the fact that Obito did not kill Itachi means nothing.

Obito didn't kill Itachi because he wanted to use him to make Sasuke follow him. And guess what, it worked perfectly.

Why would nagato just randomly kill an akatsuki for no reason? Nagato followed obito because he shared the same ideal, he wasn't being controlled by him. Nagato wouldn't fight itachi just to risk some of his paths for nothing.
Itachi was valuable to akatsuki because he's a good force to have. The fact that he didn't know obito knew so much about him made it better. It would be foolish to leave a strong ninja like itachi out of the akatsuki. If not for itachi, recruiting deidara would have resulted in more unnecessary damage. If not for itachi, kisame + whoever he brought with him to konoha would have probably died and for that matter, they wouldn't have even got past the secret barrier.

That's foolish as obito simply told sasuke the truth to sway him. He could have done that long ago. Even before the fight with itachi (putting sasuke at unnecessary risk). Or the fight with deidara. Tobi simply couldn't get near sasuke with itachi around. Evidenced by the fact that dead itachi almost GG'd him.

This argument is bad. By analogy, find me not 10 or 20, but five people who can tank or dodge Kamui by Kakashi.
You won't find any apart from Obito and Madara in perfect Susanoo. This doesn't mean Kakashi is the strongest Konoha shinobi ever. And the same goes for Itachi, having abilities that cannot be tanked is only a small part of success.

Anyone with feet.
Ay, minato, orochimaru, kabuto, kisame, deidara, sasuke, jiraiya, neji, obito, hashirama, tobirama, madara, hiruzen, 3rd raikage, mizukage, lee, guy, ten ten, i can keep going if you want? Kamui isn't a one shot GG'd technique. Only idiots/trolls/fanboys believe that. Every instance of it in the manga has been used on either; a linear moving targe, or a stationary target. Infact, the only human moving target he's hit is naruto - an ally - which expected the jutsu. He isn't hitting every and any opponent who can simply side step, else pain wouldn't have GG'd him. The one time the target moved, kakashi basically missed - this was against deidara when deidara just moved a bit to the side. Mind you, deidara had his back facing kakashi, and was able to redirect the kamui from GG'ing his heart, to GG'ing his arm instead. All he did was turn around to see wtf was going on and the blackhole switched from being on his back to on his left arm. Again, With his back initially turned.

Now find me 3 ninja who can stop amaterasu. Ay, ....?
5 ninja who can break out of tsukuyomi. Sasuke, madara, obito, ...?
1 ninja who can get through yata.
2 ninja who could come back from a totsuka seal. Orochimaru, ...?
For that matter, few ninja can even block/tank a yasaka magatama.

But you're right. Kakashi isn't the strongest ninja, and itachi's non-tankable attacks actually kill an enemy, even if they try to move.

When you Insulted Me,I stopped,just can't do this,with your attitude,I can't!
I hate people Insulting me,expecially from someone like you!
Fair enough, your condescending tone got me riled up, sorry.

Every. Single. Time.
 

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That's foolish as obito simply told sasuke the truth to sway him. He could have done that long ago. Even before the fight with itachi (putting sasuke at unnecessary risk). Or the fight with deidara. Tobi simply couldn't get near sasuke with itachi around. Evidenced by the fact that dead itachi almost GG'd him.

You just proved my point further - Obito had no reason to kill Itachi, so your argument "If Obito could have killed Itachi, he would have done it" is baseless.
Quite the opposite, I'd say - if Itachi could kill Obito, he would have done it - he had many more reasons for doing that than Obito had for killing Itachi.

Did Itachi want Obito's death? Sure. That's why he tried to assassinate him with a trap.
Did Itachi want to face Obito in combat? Nope. That's why he tried to assassinate him with a trap.


Anyone with feet.
Ay, minato, orochimaru, kabuto, kisame, deidara, sasuke, jiraiya, neji, obito, hashirama, tobirama, madara, hiruzen, 3rd raikage, mizukage, lee, guy, ten ten, i can keep going if you want? Kamui isn't a one shot GG'd technique. Only idiots/trolls/fanboys believe that. Every instance of it in the manga has been used on either; a linear moving targe, or a stationary target. Infact, the only human moving target he's hit is naruto - an ally - which expected the jutsu. He isn't hitting every and any opponent who can simply side step, else pain wouldn't have GG'd him. The one time the target moved, kakashi basically missed - this was against deidara when deidara just moved a bit to the side. Mind you, deidara had his back facing kakashi, and was able to redirect the kamui from GG'ing his heart, to GG'ing his arm instead. All he did was turn around to see wtf was going on and the blackhole switched from being on his back to on his left arm. Again, With his back initially turned.

Are you serious?
1. Kakashi's Kamui is as instant as it is possible, proved by the fact that Obito, a Sharingan user, was fooled into believing Kakashi did not use Kamui at all.
2. Kakashi has a Sharingan, so he can easily track all but the fastest of the moving objects.
3. Connect points #1 and #2 to see that Kakashi can kamui anything he can see.
4. You bring Kakashi's first use of Kamui ever in combat to prove your point? Funny.

Now find me 3 ninja who can stop amaterasu. Ay, ....?
1. Kakashi can Kamui it, since Ama is not instant
2. A can avoid it with raw speed
3. Thus Naruto, who is even faster, can also avoid it
4. Nagato can Shinra Tensei Amaterasu off.
5. I've already mentioned even four while you asked for three, but as a bonus, if Guy opened all the gates, he would most likely be able to avoid it with raw speed as well.

5 ninja who can break out of tsukuyomi. Sasuke, madara, obito, ...?
True, the ones you mentioned are probably the only ones capable of breaking Tsu. However, to get caught in it in a first place, you need an eye contact. Everyone who can fight from a distance or just avoid eye contact can avoid Tsukyomi.

1 ninja who can get through yata.
2 ninja who could come back from a totsuka seal. Orochimaru, ...?
For that matter, few ninja can even block/tank a yasaka magatama.

Yes, these are Itachi's most powerful assets. But don't think Itachi can spam them like there is no tomorrow. The only time he used Susanoo (apart from a situation in which he was immortal and had unlimited chakra) he got exhausted after having it out for how much? Half a minute? Thus:
1. Yata mirror is no problem, since Itachi's opponent should not attack Itachi when he has Susanoo out anyway.
2. If Totsuka was so easy to use, Itachi would have used it on edo Nagato right away instead of only after a prolonged fight.
3. If the opponent can increase their distance from Susanoo or is already a long distance away, Itachi will exhaust himself by having Susanoo out.

But you're right. Kakashi isn't the strongest ninja, and itachi's non-tankable attacks actually kill an enemy, even if they try to move.

And Kakashi's just warp them to another dimension, no big deal.


Every. Single. Time.

Apart from all the times Itachi ends in the alternate dimension without a way of returning, sure.
Even in Part I Itachi had to resort to MS to defeat base Kakashi, current Kakashi has better chances of winning than Itachi does.
 
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No Naruto would come second..and if we count that currently sasuke wants to save konoha he would be third.

Orochimaru also technically wants to (or is helping) save Konoha lol.
 

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You just proved my point further - Obito had no reason to kill Itachi, so your argument "If Obito could have killed Itachi, he would have done it" is baseless.
Quite the opposite, I'd say - if Itachi could kill Obito, he would have done it - he had many more reasons for doing that than Obito had for killing Itachi.

Did Itachi want Obito's death? Sure. That's why he tried to assassinate him with a trap.
Did Itachi want to face Obito in combat? Nope. That's why he tried to assassinate him with a trap.




Are you serious?
1. Kakashi's Kamui is as instant as it is possible, proved by the fact that Obito, a Sharingan user, was fooled into believing Kakashi did not use Kamui at all.
2. Kakashi has a Sharingan, so he can easily track all but the fastest of the moving objects.
3. Connect points #1 and #2 to see that Kakashi can kamui anything he can see.
4. You bring Kakashi's first use of Kamui ever in combat to prove your point? Funny.
yet another false perception of what happened...
1) NAruto was being blocked by a rasengan. When naruto disappeared, obito thought it was just a shadow clone vanishing. you know, that's why he said "a kagebushin?". kakashi wouldn't have had to warp naruto quickly since obito's line of sight was blocked.
2)yes, but he has to keep kamui on target for it to do it's thing. It's just a mini blackhole. If it never gets a chance to suck in anything, how is it going to? It's not big enough to actually force a massive object into it. He's always used a eye-hole sized kamui to suck in and expell things.
3) Nope. There are many scans (apart from your 1 convinient scan where obito's line of sight was blocked) which show how kamui absorbs. It nothing close to instantaneous. It takes a little while, a moving object has enough time to get out of it's focus before it has a chance. Everytime to person moves, kamui's absorption has to restart.
4) I bring the best example. It's literally the only moment ever when the object moved. Can you bring up any scan where the object wasn't an ally or stationary? No you can't because kamui doesn't work like that.

1. Kakashi can Kamui it, since Ama is not instant
2. A can avoid it with raw speed
3. Thus Naruto, who is even faster, can also avoid it
4. Nagato can Shinra Tensei Amaterasu off.
5. I've already mentioned even four while you asked for three, but as a bonus, if Guy opened all the gates, he would most likely be able to avoid it with raw speed as well.
1) wtf? Wow you're confirmed kamui troll. Amaterasu appears on whatever the user looks at just like kamui. But, unlike kamui, you can't just move once it's on you. Amaterasu ignites and spreads. Kakashi can't kamui something that just appears and didn't travel at all.
2) Like i didn't state Ay as an example? ........
3) Naruto isn't faster. Ay dashed at naruto in V2. To dodge ama, Ay had to use V2 AND shushin. Even if naruto could get away, it's only a slight chance.
4) He'd still be severly injured. Only because of ET was he even able to heal up.
5) So guy kills himself to dodge an attack that would do it for him? That has to be the dumbest response. Even if guy were able to open it after opening gate 6 or 7. What next? itachi sits in susano'o for the 10 seconds of gate time he has. Once that's up he's too exhausted to move and he's liable to a second one. Game over.


True, the ones you mentioned are probably the only ones capable of breaking Tsu. However, to get caught in it in a first place, you need an eye contact. Everyone who can fight from a distance or just avoid eye contact can avoid Tsukyomi.

You sure? That's alot easier than done. This was only possible because of being stomped by it before and getting intel enough to send a kagebushin.



Yes, these are Itachi's most powerful assets. But don't think Itachi can spam them like there is no tomorrow. The only time he used Susanoo (apart from a situation in which he was immortal and had unlimited chakra) he got exhausted after having it out for how much? Half a minute? Thus:
1. Yata mirror is no problem, since Itachi's opponent should not attack Itachi when he has Susanoo out anyway.
2. If Totsuka was so easy to use, Itachi would have used it on edo Nagato right away instead of only after a prolonged fight.
3. If the opponent can increase their distance from Susanoo or is already a long distance away, Itachi will exhaust himself by having Susanoo out.
No one's talking about spamming. I'm talking about the FEW opponents that would even warrant that. Itachi can beat most people without resorting to MS. His base stats alone are better than that of MS sasuke, and MS sasuke is very quick.
Itachi didn't get exhausted from susano'o. He got exhausted from the fireball jutsu, crow clones, tsukuyomi, 2 amaterasu, and extinguishing amaterasu. Because you act like sasuke wasn't also exhausted even though he didn't use any MS moves.

1) So they'll run away while susano'o is out? What stupid logic is that. Now they're going to get easily beating by totsuka, amaterasu etc. No defence isn't a defence
2)what prolonged fight? Itachi just pulled up to edo nagato, stabbed his summoning's eyes out and used susano'o to save naruto and bee. Then nagato instantly did CT, itachi and co destroyed it and nagato got sealed. What prolonged fight are you even refering to? Maybe totsuka would have sealed bee and naruto if they weren't sealed first because nagato was holding onto them? Nothing states that nagato wouldn't possibly pull them in with him.
3) what lmfao. Totsuka was able to extend long enough to slash through orochi's 8 branches, which it had to cover a good distance to do. By the time it's out you're already massively in range. You'd have to teleport far away to get away.


And Kakashi's just warp them to another dimension, no big deal.
If he was able to warp them. Any failed attempt = GG chakra. Non uchiha = kamui drawbacks



Apart from all the times Itachi ends in the alternate dimension without a way of returning, sure.
Even in Part I Itachi had to resort to MS to defeat base Kakashi, current Kakashi has better chances of winning than Itachi does.
LoL. Yea sure. Kamui trolls are the stupidest people on this base.

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He probably is. Only ninja who could take him on are hashi and possibly minato(because of FTG and summons - but that's still a small chance).
How come? Hashirama and Naruto are both way, way stronger than he is. Minato is comparable to him.
 

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How come? Hashirama and Naruto are both way, way stronger than he is. Minato is comparable to him.

I know this wasn't addressed to me, but Itachi has awesone OHKO jutsu & the highest level of defense.

So while he can't dominate a field like Hashirama or Naruto.

He can still last in battle and potentially take them down with an OHKO.

Hashirama may not expect something like Tsukuyomi. Naruto sometimes makes stupid mistakes in battle.
 
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