Is Itachi the Second Strongest Konoha Shinobi ever?

[new sage of 6 paths]

I used to think so, but now I'm not so sure.

Minato has to rise to Itachi's level now, because Itachi's been showered with feats and hype.

Whereas Minato's taken a backseat lately.

Bro,I used to think itachi>Minato,but now......Am not so sure!
Itachi has a low stamina,and likes to end battles quickly,So if he can't even touch minato,how can he quickly end the fight?
The fight will be dragged on,and that's very bad for itachi's health!

 

[new sage of 6 paths]

don't tell me what to do!!!!!
OT: obito: "if itachi had known my secret i would have died".
kishi's thought >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your thought

the statement in your sig doesn't suit you.

See?
I was pushing for you to post that actual statement!
If a fight had ensued between him and itach,he would have defeated itach,Because itachi doesn't Know his secret!
Seriously,this guy took an amaterasu to the face,and he still came out with his clothe UnSinged!,thank you,come again!

 

[November]

See?
I was pushing for you to post that actual statement!
If a fight had ensued between him and itach,he would have defeated itach,Because itachi doesn't Know his secret!
Seriously,this guy took an amaterasu to the face,and he still came out with his clothe UnSinged!

Kishi's thought >>>>>>>>>>>>> your thought.
OT: his secret might not be kamui. it could be his identity. itachi might fear obito because he thought obito was madara. that why itachi didn't do anything. even the secret was kamui, itachi could find its weakness like he did with nagato's shared vision and CBT.

 

[November]

One more thing! don't tell me what to do.

 

[new sage of 6 paths]

Kishi's thought >>>>>>>>>>>>> your thought.
OT: his secret might not be kamui. it could be his identity. itachi might fear obito because he thought obito was madara. that why itachi didn't do anything. even the secret was kamui, itachi could find its weakness like he did with nagato's shared vision and CBT.

Obito wasn't reffering to any mental assault,rather the physical which was Amaterasu...
Obito Trolled the combined force of two perfect Jinchuuriki's and two seasoned jounins...what mAkes you think itachi could do that without dying on the spot?
Yes,He found a way to destroy Chibaku tensei,but who supplied the warning,and the physical attacks to stop that technique,Naruto and bee...
Stop overrating itachi,like justin Timberlakes Song,itachi Is dead and Gone!
I almost forgot!
Thank U,Come again!

 

[Draphsin]

Kishi >>>>>>>>>>>>> your thought.
OT: his secret might not be kamui. it could be his identity. itachi might fear obito because he thought obito was madara. that why itachi didn't do anything. even the secret was kamui, itachi could find its weakness like he did with nagato's shared vision and CBT.

Okay enough....Its obvious that Obito beats Itachi

No matter what his secret was, the fact that Itachi doesnt know it puts him at a severe disadvantage. Not to mention Obito knows of Itachi's abilities, putting him ad an advantage.

And dont use Itachi's analytical skills as an excuse, it takes time to analyze abilities, he needs a distraction. During Nagato's fight, he had Bee/Naruto providing the right distraction. Same thing goes for kabuto's fight, he had sasuke stall while he came up with a plan.

Couple this with fact that obito's kamui is almost instant, and the fastest attack we've seen in the manga besides FTG, and you have an opponent that Itachi cant even touch..

(BTW this isnt including rinnegan + bijuu)

 

[Lilt]

See?
I was pushing for you to post that actual statement!
If a fight had ensued between him and itach,he would have defeated itach,Because itachi doesn't Know his secret!
Seriously,this guy took an amaterasu to the face,and he still came out with his clothe UnSinged!,thank you,come again!

Itachi's stamina isn't actually all that bad when you think about it, even with sickness.

He outlasted Hebi Sasuke, who outlasted Deidara, etc right before his body was about to perish.

Without sickness, he probably has quite a lot naturally, as he was using jutsu like Tsukuyomi as a young kid.

But yeah, imo:

Sick Itachi < Minato < Healthy Itachi ≤ Edo Minato < Edo Itachi (infinite legendary items & Susano'o)

 

[Troyg39]

Kishi's thought >>>>>>>>>>>>> your thought.
OT: his secret might not be kamui. it could be his identity. itachi might fear obito because he thought obito was madara. that why itachi didn't do anything. even the secret was kamui, itachi could find its weakness like he did with nagato's shared vision and CBT.

The point is that whatever the secret was, Itachi didn't know it. Obito saying IF Itachi knew his secret doesn't change the fact that Kishi made it so Itachi in fact did not know the secret. Which means that going by your logic:

Itachi knowing the secret = Itachi>Obito
Itachi not knowing the secret = Obito>Itachi

How Kishi wrote it? Itachi didn't know the secret, so Obito>Itachi

As you said:
So Kishi>>>>>>>>your thoughts

 

[Draphsin]

Both loyalty and strength so yeah

Itachi > Tobirama

Itachi >> Minato

Tie with Hashi about loyalty

Lol

Madara's strength >> Itachi's

Obito's strength >> Itachi's

 

[new sage of 6 paths]

Itachi's stamina isn't actually all that bad when you think about it, even with sickness.

He outlasted Hebi Sasuke, who outlasted Deidara, etc right before his body was about to perish.

Without sickness, he probably has quite a lot naturally, as he was using jutsu like Tsukuyomi as a young kid.

But yeah, imo:

Sick Itachi < Minato < Healthy Itachi ≤ Edo Minato < Edo Itachi (infinite legendary items & Susano'o)

Sorry sasuke Never outlasted Deidara,and ABC logic doesn't work,ya know?
And Don't forget both edo's posses Unique sealing jutsu's
Edo Minato=Edo itachi.
They are even,because these fight will drag on,and we won't even know the winner!

 

[Troyg39]

Itachi's stamina isn't actually all that bad when you think about it, even with sickness.

He outlasted Hebi Sasuke, who outlasted Deidara, etc right before his body was about to perish.

Without sickness, he probably has quite a lot naturally, as he was using jutsu like Tsukuyomi as a young kid.

But yeah, imo:

Sick Itachi < Minato < Healthy Itachi ≤ Edo Minato < Edo Itachi (infinite legendary items & Susano'o)

Idk. I see your point but still that was 3t Sasuke. Itachi's plan all along was to drain Sasuke's chakra so he could get to Oro's but in doing so he ended up killing himself. What that pretty much says is that Itachi's stamina is just above 3t Sasuke's stamina. Not saying 3t Sasuke wasn't pretty durable, but it's nothing compared to say MS sasuke who took on 4 kages plus Danzo or even an EMS Sasuke. The outcome definitely wouldn't have been the same if Sasuke were above 3t.

And let's face it Itachi most likely isn't going to defeat Minato with an attack. Not saying Minato will defeat Itachi with one either. But FTG is too fast for Amaterasu and Totsuka blade. And Itachi is fast, but he's not Minato fast, so he would most definitely have to keep up a Susanoo to defend himself at all times. And if he does that, then that Susanoo will give his position away every time since it's so big, meaning Minato wouldn't have to look at Itachi to know where he is, which means he's avoiding Tsukuyomi. And since FTG takes relatively no chakra, and I believe that Minato has more stamina than 3t Sasuke, he'll probably outlast Itachi in a fight, especially since Itachi will have to contstantly use Susanoo which means he'll drain his stamina even faster than against Sasuke

But Itachi's sickness really is his only weakness. There's no arguing that. So without he can pretty much beat anyone

**edit** anyone except for Edo Minato. Edo Itachi vs Edo Minato would be an obvious draw. Minato has nothing for Yata mirror. But Itachi has nothing for FTG. And if he uses Totsuka, that means he's using Susanoo, which gives Minato a way to keep track of Itachi without looking directly at him, which means he avoids Tsukuyomi. That fight would never end

 

[Lilt]

sasuke Never outlasted Deidara

He pretty much did. Deidara used c0 because he could barely move.

In contrast, Sasuke was completely drained against Itachi, which allowed Orochimaru to come out.

and ABC logic doesn't work,ya know?

It does for stamina, obviously.

The reason people say "ABC logic doesn't work" is for when it's multivariable. Not single variable. AKA lasting in a fight.

They are even,because these fight will drag on,and we won't even know the winner!

We know because there's nothing Minato has (Rasengan?) that can get past the Yata Mirror.

Which Edo Itachi can keep up forever.

So Minato will eventually be trapped in genjutsu (that got even Orochimaru for awhile) and sealed.

 

[NOemotions]

he's not even near.. without edo tensei itachi is nothing.. anybody can outrun him, he will be drained before he uses susanoo.. and if he does summon susanoo he can maintain it like... 2-3min max?

 

[Megaprince]

Actually,
1-hashirama...madara couldnt dfeat him and itachi cant possibly defeat madara.
2-sarutobi...he stood a chance against 1st & 2nd hokage with orochimaru
3-minato....if given time would hv beat obito...and obito wil defeat itachi.
4-itachi

 

[Lilt]

Actually,
1-hashirama...madara couldnt dfeat him and itachi cant possibly defeat madara.
2-sarutobi...he stood a chance against 1st & 2nd hokage with orochimaru
3-minato....if given time would hv beat obito...and obito wil defeat itachi.
4-itachi

Funny that Orochimaru (with Edos) and Obito (not age 14) just evaded fighting Itachi altogether.

And said that Itachi could defeat them. It's pretty clear that they respected the **** out of Itachi.

Moreso than the Hokages at the time, anyway.

 

[Megaprince]

I dont knw much about tobirama's jutsus but i'm guessin he was strong...considering the fact that izuna who was almost as strong as madara couldnt defeat him....comon, you all give itachi 2much credit...

 

[Lilt]

Izuna was only as strong as MS Madara, not EMS Madara.

MS Madara likely wasn't as strong as Itachi, who has legendary items and seem more coolheaded.

 

[new sage of 6 paths]

Funny that Orochimaru (with Edos) and Obito (not age 14) just evaded fighting Itachi altogether.

And said that Itachi could defeat them. It's pretty clear that they respected the **** out of Itachi.

Moreso than the Hokages at the time, anyway.

Nope! Obito Never said Itachi could beat him,he said if he knew his secret.the same thing applies to anyone who knows his secret!
And Nopitty,sasuke made deidara fustrated,which called for deidara provin he was No pushover,but the fool had to blow himself up
To evade it,sasuke had No chakra and was severely weakend,it was By plot he Summoned Manda!
We don't even Know all the jutsu Minato can use,because he's a fuinjutsu type Ninja
If itachi can't touch obito,I don't see how he can touch Minato because Minato is Clearly faster,on foot and with FTG!

 

[Lilt]

Obito purposefully avoided fighting Itachi. Kishimoto showed as much in the movie he wrote.

Obito stayed away from Itachi, and said that if Itachi knew his secrets, he'd certainly die.

It's obvious that he was cautious of the boy/man who constantly amazed him.

 

[naruttebayo]

2nd is naruto ........../thread