Jman is top 10!

[HNIC]

That is your argument? You just lost all credibility.

how is it now? would think not counter the jutsu?

 

[Space Cowboy]

and I can say clone spam will last until frog song. the moral of this, stick to manga fact and fact states Jman>>>

..Except it wont, as it will not take very long to dispatch a shadow clone or two. Frog song comes quite slowly as well, if you dont remember. And Itachi > Ma and Pa. Sorry bud, but theres no realistic way for Jiraiya to stall long enough to enter sage mode to even put up a fight with MS Itachi. Amaterasu gets him every time

 

[Blunt]

how is it now? would think not counter the jutsu?

Sharigan > Clones first off, as shown in the manga. Second off, Tsukiyomi can be recasted-reused. Amaterasu is undodgable by the likes of Jaraiya. He was going toe to toe with Naruto KM in Kyuubi mode with taijutsu and has amazing speed, both are which superior to Jaraiya's. (I like Jaraiya he just can't beat Itachi.)

I consider Jman top 15 placing at 12-13.

 

[HNIC]

..Except it wont, as it will not take very long to dispatch a shadow clone or two. Frog song comes quite slowly as well, if you dont remember. And Itachi > Ma and Pa. Sorry bud, but theres no realistic way for Jiraiya to stall long enough to enter sage mode to even put up a fight with MS Itachi. Amaterasu gets him every time

Amaterasu at max can be used twice, and he surely cant spam it. Susanno would be a sitting duck in Jman's swamp. while Jman has fire release, oil, and toads to dispose of while he preps

 

[abcdefgh]

KingPin90, can you show me your Top 10 list? I'm curious.

 

[Blunt]

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Amaterasu can be used more then twice, but not even needed. Tsukiyomi is good enough, keep in mind in the scan he was holding BACK.

I may or may not be back on this thread, going to watch television.

 

[HNIC]

Sharigan > Clones first off, as shown in the manga. Second off, Tsukiyomi can be recasted-reused. Amaterasu is undodgable by the likes of Jaraiya. He was going toe to toe with Naruto KM in Kyuubi mode with taijutsu and has amazing speed, both are which superior to Jaraiya's. (I like Jaraiya he just can't beat Itachi.)

I consider Jman top 15 placing at 12-13.

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shadow clones are perfect when trying to avoid genjutsu, Itachi can't keep using Tsukiyomi it requires too much strain and chakra. That a one time use, Amaterasu can be forced to use on others things like toad stomach or summonings. this too two has limited use

 

[Space Cowboy]

Amaterasu at max can be used twice, and he surely cant spam it. Susanno would be a sitting duck in Jman's swamp. while Jman has fire release, oil, and toads to dispose of while he preps

Remember what he did against Sasuke? He covered a ton of ground using amaterasu just once, and it was never stated that his limit for using it is 2 times. He kept up Susano'o for quite a bit after tsukuyomi, various other genjutsu, katon techniques and amaterasu twice. His stamina isnt as low as youre making it out to be. Lets not forget that simply applying chakra to his soles hed be able to stand on that mud just like water.. Fire release does nothing against Susano'o, frogs get totsukad, and oil is only really useful in conjunction with katon, which is once again rather useless against a Susano'o. Itachi sweeping amaterasu across the room is bound to hit Jiraiya at some point, as he has the same speed stats as Sasuke, yet less feats. Im tired of arguing this, its getting us nowhere. We can agree to disagree although i disagree with you. A lot.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sasuke, Hashirama, Nagato, Naruto, Obito, Kabuto, Itachi, Muu, 2nd Mizukage, Madara and Minato all beat Jiraiya.

 

[Blunt]

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shadow clones are perfect when trying to avoid genjutsu, Itachi can't keep using Tsukiyomi it requires too much strain and chakra. That a one time use, Amaterasu can be forced to use on others things like toad stomach or summonings. this too two has limited use

Look bud, you honestly think Jman would have the time to make that clone? Keep in mind jman has no one else to help and was in a small hallway. Itachi would notice the clone if he summoned one right infront of him. Amaterasu would ignite that whole hallway with ease, Jaraiya just stood no chance, even in the open it would be very hard for Jman to stand up to Itachi.

Put Jman out in the open and I give the fight to Itachi mid difficulty. In a hallway, low difficulty

I am done here, Itachi has three one shot techniques, not even adding in Kotoamatsukami which he does have as long as it is not in time limited state.

 

[HNIC]

Remember what he did against Sasuke? He covered a ton of ground using amaterasu just once, and it was never stated that his limit for using it is 2 times. He kept up Susano'o for quite a bit after tsukuyomi, various other genjutsu, katon techniques and amaterasu twice. His stamina isnt as low as youre making it out to be. Lets not forget that simply applying chakra to his soles hed be able to stand on that mud just like water.. Fire release does nothing against Susano'o, frogs get totsukad, and oil is only really useful in conjunction with katon, which is once again rather useless against a Susano'o. Itachi sweeping amaterasu across the room is bound to hit Jiraiya at some point, as he has the same speed stats as Sasuke, yet less feats. Im tired of arguing this, its getting us nowhere. We can agree to disagree although i disagree with you. A lot.

Sasuke really didnt push Itachi, yes I remeber how he used amaterasu, but will he do that is a closed environment putting himslf at risk? Toads have long distance jutsu, they wouldnt be sealed easily. So Itachi would need to amaterasu a jman clone and toads, yet still didnt get to toad stomach or Jman's swamp

 

[HNIC]

Look bud, you honestly think Jman would have the time to make that clone? Keep in mind jman has no one else to help and was in a small hallway. Itachi would notice the clone if he summoned one right infront of him. Amaterasu would ignite that whole hallway with ease, Jaraiya just stood no chance, even in the open it would be very hard for Jman to stand up to Itachi.

Put Jman out in the open and I give the fight to Itachi mid difficulty. In a hallway, low difficulty

I am done here, Itachi has three one shot techniques, not even adding in Kotoamatsukami which he does have as long as it is not in time limited state.

dude we already established this is in the Pein vs. Jman setting

 

[Blunt]

dude we already established this is in the Pein vs. Jman setting

Wherever it is, Jman still loses. I am done here though, have a nice week. Bye

 

[Harry Balzac]

"I won't let you take naruto!" Itachi's reply: And why not?

Tells you what itachi really thinks of jiraiya. Don't play yourself fool.

 

[HNIC]

Wherever it is, Jman still loses. I am done here though, have a nice week. Bye

thanks, you have a nice week too! =D

 

[Space Cowboy]

Sasuke really didnt push Itachi, yes I remeber how he used amaterasu, but will he do that is a closed environment putting himslf at risk? Toads have long distance jutsu, they wouldnt be sealed easily. So Itachi would need to amaterasu a jman clone and toads, yet still didnt get to toad stomach or Jman's swamp

*sigh* I was hoping we were ending this.. He will, and can do that in an enclosed environment seeing as hes able to put out amaterasu at will. It offers him no harm whatsoever, and with that, i really dont see a way for J-Man to win. Totsuka expands. Its a spiritual weapon. Against Oro and Nagato it has shown it has a very good range. Frogs stand no chance. I already countered the swamp statement, and the frog stomach can yes, be dealt with by amaterasu.. Is this really so hard..

 

[HNIC]

*sigh* I was hoping we were ending this.. He will, and can do that in an enclosed environment seeing as hes able to put out amaterasu at will. It offers him no harm whatsoever, and with that, i really dont see a way for J-Man to win. Totsuka expands. Its a spiritual weapon. Against Oro and Nagato it has shown it has a very good range. Frogs stand no chance. I already countered the swamp statement, and the frog stomach can yes, be dealt with by amaterasu.. Is this really so hard..

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[Space Cowboy]

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The ranges you showed showing the toad and Nagato being pierced by the totsuka are actually pretty similar haha... Not to mention we have no idea just how far the blade can extend.. Those frog jutsu do nothing against a Susano'o however, and that is doubly true considering Itachi's has the yata mirror. Lets also not forget that itachi can move outside his Susano'o with it active. Easily being capable of disrupting Jiraiya and anything he tries to do

 

[HNIC]

The ranges you showed showing the toad and Nagato being pierced by the totsuka are actually pretty similar haha... Not to mention we have no idea just how far the blade can extend.. Those frog jutsu do nothing against a Susano'o however, and that is doubly true considering Itachi's has the yata mirror. Lets also not forget that itachi can move outside his Susano'o with it active. Easily being capable of disrupting Jiraiya and anything he tries to do

the point of the toads are giving Jman time for SM, that's it. the reach seems greater in the tower.

 

[Zexion~]

god i have been seeing this thread all day in no way shape or form will jiraiya ever be in the top 10 .. i dont even think he is in top 15 :stfu: